future rc laws

[N0ly]

so is there any current legislation that is in the bill phase that will affect rc's? and if not then how long will it last before they are made illegal. it will happen sadly oneday in the not too distant future. and what are there lagit purposes(if any).

[N0ly]

Originally Posted by Noly

and what are there lagit purposes(if any).

i ment legit I cant stand that i cant edit my posts.

[raven3davis]

SWIM predicts that rcs will be illegal within 4 years. The government will probably pass legislations making all rcs illegal, even if they dont exist! SWIm can think os some legit purposes for rcs, such as anti-depressants and therepudic use but the government does not pay attention to the positive aspects of "RCs." They are illegal to consume but easy enough to find on the net. In a few years they will be much harder to find on the net, and if they are illegal only small circles of people will still be playing around with them.

SWIm doubts that underground chemists will persue the synthesis of most rcs because if they are schedule 1 the penalties will be too high. The synthesis for many rcs is probably easier than for lsd though so maybe some lsd chemists will start making rcs. DOC is the one chemical that comes to mind because of its potency compared to other research chemicals.

It will be a very sad day but it will come too soon. SWIM says stock up while you can so that when the day comes, SWIM will have a lifetime supply . So what if you buy a chemical when it is legal and then it becomes illegal? Do they expect you to flush it or something? Maybe one day the government will open their heads and realize that they are just throwing money down the toilet and that the "war on drugs" will never be won. humans will be humans and will experiment for the rest of time. Any effort to prevent us from doing so will be in vain. The more people get busted with Rcs and such the closer they are to getting scheduled. Remember that LSd was once legal until it got very popular because of Leary and friends. LSd would have become illegal anyways but maybe a decade or so later.

Rcs are getting more popular everyday. Just ten years ago they were not known by many people. Most of these chemicals have been around for a long time but they were all underground for sometime. Before the busts, you could simply search for a chemical in google and get a gram with your credit card. It is much more hush hush now, but you can still get these chemicals with your credt card. This is no suprise to the DEA either. You can try to "protect" these sources but the DEA allready knows about all of them. It honestly would not make a difference if SWIM posted several links in this thread. The government knows about these chemicals and they are just waiting to do something.........until then....stay high.

[GDxCAT]

Yep, enjoy them while they last because it wont be forever.

Although i think chemists will always be able to think of someway to get around the law and we will have newer more novel compounds invented when these are taken away. (ie. dragonflies, fly's, hemiflies etc)

[N0ly]

the future or drugs in general has not ended nor will it anytime soon. there will always be new drugs. X was new at one point RC's are new now there will be more in the future

[Pinkavvy]

Where as most of the world is pushing to ban all analogs; the u.s. has already done so with their analog act. The differance however is in the U.S. there is a much more stricter guideline to what is an analog. As long as that doesn't change, there will always be grey market chemicals available. Not the current ones floating about. Just like 5 years ago when they banned amt and foxy, and 2c-b, and DOB, they will soon ban all of the popular ones that are currently floating around. But soon there will be more differant ones available... such as the fly's that are creeping out secretly.

[fastandbulbous]

In the UK most of the RCs have been illegal since 1977 because of the tryptamines derivatives & phenethylamine derivatives paragraphs. Thing is though, instead of some vague, thoroughly unacceptable law that is so unspecific that they could justify calling anything an analogue, the paragraphs of the Misuse of Drugs Act specifies specific chemical modifications that make any compund containing them illegal.

I must say that even though there are only a few RCs currently available that aren't controlled, the ones that are exempt are perfectly legal regardless of what you do with them... you can consume say 2C-B fly in front of a policeman and tell him what it was and you have not broken any laws. I much prefer the British method of legislation as you can be definite as to whether some is or isn't illegal (as long as you have a good enough understanding of organic chemistry). Because of that, the law will always be a couple of steps behind new developments in areas like psychedelics

[renegades]

No the analog act was defanged by a jury regarding a 5meo-dmt case. No, the jury told the DEA that 5meo-dmt and dmt are two completely different drugs. So the bastards at the DEA sent a letter out July 2006 and again in October 2006 to every company listing all of Pikals chemicals asking them to research whether they are used or a by product in a manufacturing process. This cost american businesses - a lot of money to do the research because the DEA listed every Pikal drug. The DEA would not have businesses spend that kind of money if they are serious about making RCs to CSAs since the analog act was not winning cases in court They will become CSA and it probably happen this summer. If a compound causes hallucinations it is deemed illicit by the DEA. A lot of RCs have been written about on BBS, so the DEA could use those trip experiences with hallucinations as the reason for making a RC to a a CSA. So stock up. Hey anyway isn't shulgin coming out with a 3rd book on making RCs? These drugs won't make the DEA list for a few years. Ah, new compounds to play with, isn't chemistry fun. Better living through chemistry. This cycle will continue for decades so RCs will always be available and legal, it just will be a different compound every few years. There will be other shuligins who will discover new psychadelic drugs that will be tested but probably(due to the internet) will find its way onto the RC market. You can't keep a good thing secret for very long.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by raven3davis

It will be a very sad day but it will come too soon. SWIM says stock up while you can so that when the day comes, SWIM will have a lifetime supply .

Don't be silly... unless one keeps a tank of liquid nitrogen around, RC's will 'expire' (i.e. lose potency) like all drugs, probably within a few years. The aforementioned cold storage might extend that to 25+ years or something, who knows...

Originally Posted by Noly

the future or drugs in general has not ended nor will it anytime soon. there will always be new drugs. X was new at one point RC's are new now there will be more in the future

Gotta agree... like software pirates, dedicated people will always find ways to get around the rules .

[fastandbulbous]

Don't be silly... unless one keeps a tank of liquid nitrogen around, RC's will 'expire' (i.e. lose potency) like all drugs, probably within a few years

Depends upon which ones youre talking about. Sure the tryptamines, especially the 4 substitued ones, are really sensitive to light, moisture, heat (probably even being talked about behind their backs!) and require airtight storage at temps below freezing (0'C) in order to keep them in pristine condition, but things like the unsubstituted dialkyltryptamines will probably last a couple of decades in an airtight container, kept in a cool dark place (and even longer in salt form).

Most of the phenethylamines (in salt form) will outlast most of us in a cool dry place out of direct light.

It's only the ergolines that wouldn't be long for this earth

[sg43]

"Gotta agree... like software pirates, dedicated people will always find ways to get around the rules "

Thats exactly the way SWIM feels about this, hackers will always exist finding a way to exploit something untill it is patched, but it will not be patched untill it is too wide spread, and then they will just start working on the next one.

It will be a cat and mouse chase untill the end, and even when they become illegal there will always be companys overseas were it is not illegal willing to ship to you under your own risk.

[machine_elf]

In Britain the government have responded by banning whole groups of chemicals, thus we have the "misuse of tryptamines act" and "misuse of phenethylamines act".