Funny when BD was on 2mg of sub he would sometimes run low on his weekly script. He had some spare kratom
around but it would only help him a bit more feel normal if he was feeling a bit of WD if it was up to the 36 hour mark. Past that going into 48 hours after last subutex
, then one would usually start to feel the more euphoric effect of kratom, but the effects will increase as you get to 72+ hour mark. Basically Kratom will help patch any WD from other opiates
including a WD from subutex, but subs take a long time to get out of the receptor sites and are very sticky.
However Kratom addiction is possible, BD used Kratom only 1-2 times a day, usually late afternoon and in the evening. Helped reduce stress and let him sleep, cope with boring daily routine of modern life in big city. When he ran out it would be like 1st night pretty bad, with not much sleep, he would often have some sort of strong liqueur and get a bit drunk. The hangover the next day would make things worse. The next 2-4 days things were manageable but still not great sleep, just short catnaps. This went on for a few years, and he had to do this WD every time a package was late or he had a trip or something. But then BD started using in the morning as well and was taking Kratom up to 4 times a day, when the Kratom package was late he would get massive panic/anxiety and sense of staring into the abyss. Kratom habit was starting to become quite costly, even thou he had found the best sources at the best price. There is alot of crap kratom as well as some stuff which works really well. There is some which will make you feel more fuzzy but high, then the real clean euphoric stuff, and stuff which basically does nothing. The worst is when your shit turns green from all the Toss & Wash. BD really had to shop around and try lots of different suppliers to fine the best stuff. The cheapest way is to go direct to indonesia/malaysia, you can find these suppliers on import/export sites, but harder to find quality with these guys, but they should send you samples.
Anyway eventually it got so bad, BD had to go to a clinic and was given 8mg of subutex. So of course some will say Kratom is less addictive than subutex, etc. However subutex last much longer and it is not about getting high, it is more about feeling normal and getting by. Over 2 years he is down to 0.8mg subutex, but still if he goes over 24 hours without it he feel funny, alot is due to his anxiety about the onset of WDs, an experience he has become way way way too familiar with due to late parcels/required travel where did didn't want to tote a bag of green leaf, etc etc. If you don't know what to expect it is ok.
Maybe in other countries health systems it is cheaper to just buy kratom on the web than to get a doctor to subscribe a suboxone
or subutex script, but where BD lives it now cost about 200 USD a year, which is alot better than the $10k his Kratom habit was costing him at the peak of his addiction
. He would go thru about 2 kilos every 6 weeks....it was madness truely.