Drug info - Steroid cycles, screw that

[hazeinmybong2]

I want a steroid that will be effective in low doses. A single drug solution for weight gain. I don't want to stick ten needles in my ass every morning. I am real skinny, 5'5" 120lbs. Any ideas?

[JewishNazi]

Steroids arent magic, you have to work hard and eat right to gain muscle, steroids just speed up the process of building. You still need the other two though.

The easiest to try would be to use some methandrostenolone (dianabol, Dbol) in the maner that it was originally perscribed by Ciba (its manufacturer( and John Zeigler (sp), its creator. Originally, it was perscribed at 5 - 10mgs each day. Sticking with that and eating a litle more along with working out should have you putting on some size.

Dont go overboard with it though as side efects tend to come in after about 20mgs

[hazeinmybong2]

Thanks for the reply. Thats kind of the plan, taking a small suplimental dose. I want to start workin out first before I even touch a steroid.

[JewishNazi]

I hsould also add that a better option still might be the use of Arimidex (anastrozole) at 0.25 - 0.5mgs ED to raise test levels by about 31%

While I acn easily speculate, I have no information regarding what combining the two methods might do

[JewishNazi]

Or turinabol at 40mgs each day for 6 - 8 weeks. This should give a good 10 - 15lbs IF you are training hard and eating enough

[Grifin]

I hawe a qustion about naposim methandrostenolone.Can 8 weeks ciklus with naposim, can pernamently wound your liwer, and can this drug change size of testis?

lol pathetic.


DO you're research.

I am 230 lbs 8% b/f ( 2 years ago i was 150 lbs)
and im still not even considering taking them yet.

Eat atleast 1 gram of protein per body weight a day , plus tons of complex carbs.

I dont feel liek typing out a "proper" work out schedual.
Just go to bodybuilding.com


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sorry about putting "pathetic"

i just havnt read your other posts and i got annoyed once i heard your weight and your taking roids...

[Grifin]

do using naposim.but this is onyl giwing u more water to your body.

My average daily meals:
200g corns+ 23g of whey
200 meat/chicken, beef....+200g potato
100g soja+100g bread
100cotage + bread
150g meat+rice, potato...

would be this enough

My body weight is 78kg.And I hawe lot of body fat specialy on stomach, on legs I hawe real muscles...but army, stomach, shoulders, pectoris...are bad...all my muscle weight goes to lags

[iw2gf]

Try testosterone enanthate/cyponate @ 300 mg once every 5-7 days. This will provide both the anabolic and androgenic components that you will need to put on size. Only try this if you are 100% determined to try steroids. Everybody recommends deca for a first cycle, don't, because your balls will shrink. Stay away from oral steroids as they are much more toxic on your liver. But honestly, you should eat like a horse, and train like an animal, for at least a year before trying steroids.

[merseyloyalist]

Originally Posted by iw2gf

Try testosterone enanthate/cyponate @ 300 mg once every 5-7 days. This will provide both the anabolic and androgenic components that you will need to put on size. Only try this if you are 100% determined to try steroids. Everybody recommends deca for a first cycle, don't, because your balls will shrink. Stay away from oral steroids as they are much more toxic on your liver. But honestly, you should eat like a horse, and train like an animal, for at least a year before trying steroids.

I think you'll find test enanthate and cypionate are injectable forms of gear swim is currently using the following :

500mg test enanthate(Cidoteston) 1 x per week
400mg nandrolone decanoate 1 x per week
500mg boldenone und(Maxigan) 2 x per week
50mg d-bol(GB Chems) daily
50mg anapolon daily
1mg arimidex for gyno daily

this is an advanced course for mass but the first course swim did was sust,deca and d-bol

swim thinks the best oral gear for mass is d-bol which guy mentioned as tradename Naposim or Anapolon(Oxymetholone),swim has never heard of anyone doing s single anabolic on their own and can't really see the benefits of d-bol only course

[iw2gf]

Awesome cycle.

[darawk]

I'd use a cycle of something like Pheramax or Pheraplex, to start out with. And yes, even at a low dose you should really not stay on it for too long. Benefits of the two afore-mentioned designer steroids are:

1. They're legal.
2. They're pills.
3. They are hepa-toxic to some extent, but not nearly as much so as something lke d-bol.
4. At a reasonable dose, most people can control the estrogenic side effects using over the counter aromatase inhibitors.

[unconditionaldl]

Only use steriods on your body when your at that stage.. and not many people get at that stage.

[iw2gf]

Originally Posted by unconditionaldl

Only use steriods on your body when your at that stage.. and not many people get at that stage.

swim agrees

[tayo]

SuperDrol (methasteron) very effective if you can get a hold of it, should take with milk thistle. Basically it is DHT but it does not convert to estrogen, so it doesnt affect other hormone levels. no chance for gyno with this one. and no need for post cycle therapy, it is taken in capsule form 3x a day. You still have to work out for steroids to work though, steroids alone dont make you big, working out makes you big, working out with steroids makes you bigger. Increased muscle endurance and recovery ability, you can get bigger faster. For someone new to steroids SWIM thinks a cycle of superdrol with milk thistle is the answer.

[stoneinfocus]

D-bol is not that hepatoxic, there´s astudy where it´s been used to treat aplastic anaemia (they had to use it or they would have died, which is one cookl thing about those deseas, you´re forced to throw everything overboard any try all the world has to give)

[Liver toxicity of androgen therapy in aplastic anemia]

[Article in French]

Pecking A, Lejolly JM, Najean Y.

In a prospective group study, 254 cases of aplastic anemia treated with a high dose of androgens were followed a minimum of 4 months and up to 8 years. Damage to the liver was evaluated by the appearance of jaundice or abnormal liver function tests; these parameters were evaluated at least every 3 months. Of these patients, 17.3% had overt jaundice and 18.2% abnormal hepatic function tets (total 35.5%). The anomalies appeared rapidly, before month 4 for 50% of the patients and before month 10 for 80%. They were more frequent in men than in women or children, but not linked with previous biological abnormalities. Nor did frequency depend on whether C17 methyl androgen or C17 ethyl androgen was used. Associated corticosteroids offered no protection. None of the patients showed severe jaundice or cirrhosis. If the treatment was stopped, readministration led to relapse of the jaundice in only one-third of the cases. Only two patients in this series revealed a nonmalignant tumor of the liver. Therefore, this complication does not seem to suggest restriction in the use of androgens at high dosage and for long periods, considering the severity of aplastic anemia.

And the weight is not water but not pure muscle either, it´s more likely substrate.

[merseyloyalist]

Originally Posted by co-incidence

D-bol is not that hepatoxic, there´s astudy where it´s been used to treat aplastic anaemia (they had to use it or they would have died, which is one cookl thing about those deseas, you´re forced to throw everything overboard any try all the world has to give)
And the weight is not water but not pure muscle either, it´s more likely substrate.

Are you sure that it is d-bol in this study and not anapolon(oxymetholone),haven't heard of d-bol used medically to treat anemia altho I know that oxymetholone is used as it increases red blood cell count to a significant degree,in fact it is sometimes referred to as the poor mans EPO.I have also heard all anabolics raise red blood cell count to a degree,Equipoise(boldenone undecylenate) does this and is often used in the arsenal of marathon runners,as increased red blood cell count means increased oxygen in the blood,also you should notice an increased appetite due to the increase in red blood cells when taking EQ

[600538411]

Originally Posted by HazeInMyBong

I want a steroid that will be effective in low doses. A single drug solution for weight gain. I don't want to stick ten needles in my ass every morning. I am real skinny, 5'5" 120lbs. Any ideas?

Straight up... Best stuff one can get legally now and that is easy to do is;

For Straight out bulking;
Phera Plex 1st-6th week/ Superdrol Stack 3rd-8th week

For Body Recomposition (removing fat and hardening up a bit);
Epistane OR HAVOC

Best result do come from working out for atleast 8-12 weeks on nothing first and waiting for ther body to "Anatomically Adapt" to resistance training and it will take that long to start getting some expression of androgenic receptors that are waiting for those hormones so that can be activated...

Let SWIM clarify this though... Steroid hromones in themself do not make skeletal muscle bigger... It gives one the ability to train more frequently which means one can gain muscles faster by training more... WIthout steroids it can take upto 2-3 days to recover especially when someone is just first starting out... With steroid hormones being added, this time can be reduced so that one can train every day...

End of the day... Training + Diet = Muscles..... Steroids are just an aide that allows one to train more hence speed up how fast one can build muscles... This is only a fraction of the picture though... Right Protein, Right Diet, On-Cycle SUpport Supplements, Post Cycle Therapy... It is really complicated... Alot of the answers above have been cut + paste from stacks on the net etc... SWIM is telling SWIY the real deal here... It's hard fucking work no matter what BUT SWIM does feel for SWIY, the skinny little fucker lol....

Hope this clarifies things...

[dcrn]

Reading your stats SWIY should never EVER take any type of anabolic steroid - not until you gain alot more weight naturally. I'm an ex competitive bodybuilder, trust me I know my shit. DBol won't do shit for you at 5-10mg doses, and dbol is not for you at that weight. Dbol will put alot of stress on the liver and usually just adds "water weight" that gets your face all bloated and red - so stay away from that junk. Dbol is usually taken 30-50mg a day (LMFAO at that person who said 5-10mg), and today its very hard to find legit dbol. Pink Thai dbols at 5mg each were the best ones, also Naposim the ones from Romania and Russians.


FOOD...FOOD AND AGAIN FOOD is what will help you gain the weight. Eat as much as you can, ANYTHING...and EVERYTHING... SWIY need 2 force yourself to eat even if you are full - eat until you throw up. Its the only way to stretch out your stomach.

When you hit 160-170 weight range than SWIY can think about using steroids. SWIM would start with Testosterone. 500mg a week for 10wks. that is 1 shot a week. First cycle is the best. Remember, people who use steroids usually pay their dues in the gym every single day and with the dieting. Steroids are not magic and won't work if SWIY just take them and not eat enough calories and by not going to the gym.

Hope this helps.

[FrankenChrist]

For me the hard part is actually resting and the diet. My gains suck but I'm staying the fuck away from roids. I find it odd that in the gym sometimes I push as much as bigger guys or even more but I'm way less muscular. What am I doing wrong?

[dcrn]

Originally Posted by FrankenChrist

For me the hard part is actually resting and the diet. My gains suck but I'm staying the fuck away from roids. I find it odd that in the gym sometimes I push as much as bigger guys or even more but I'm way less muscular. What am I doing wrong?

My brother in law says the same thing. He can lift a house on his back but without the proper form. Form is what will give you results.

[JaWill88]

Originally Posted by FrankenChrist

For me the hard part is actually resting and the diet. My gains suck but I'm staying the fuck away from roids. I find it odd that in the gym sometimes I push as much as bigger guys or even more but I'm way less muscular. What am I doing wrong?

is swiy training for mass? like sets of around 4-7 reps? also are you eating till you want to puke? these are vital for gaining size.

[JaWill88]

gaining real weight, muscle weight that is, is impossible to get when ones diet,training, and rest are all not in check. if any one of those is off, then one isn't going to do nearly as well as if it wasn't. swim learned this the hard way. swim lifted pretty well for like a year and a half, didn't eat enough, and didn't sleep enough. guess what happened? not much, thats for sure.

[FrankenChrist]

I always do 3 sets of 10 lifts of any exercise. You're saying I should use more weight but less repetitions? (Biiiiig d'oh there, been training like that for a while)
The eating is still a bit of a problem. Can supplements like shakes substitute enough?