Opinions - Barbiturates: Which are you in favor for?

[pharmapsyche]

Which is your favorite Barbiturate and Why? A breif experience report is welcomed as well!

[Jatelka]

SWIJ is uncertain that many have access to barbiturates, and even then if they use them recreationally. The only one she has come across is phenobarb which was offered to her by a heroin addicted epileptic who needed some cash. Needless to say: She declined.

There are a couple of things found using the search engine about Fiorocet (butalbital):

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...t=Barbiturates

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ght=Butalbital

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ght=Butalbital

There's also a nice thread in Recovery and addiction:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ght=Butalbital

For experience reports SWIJ had to go to erowid:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=17346

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=25825

Note that as with all downers mixing barbs with alcohol is seriously not recommended

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM has had one experience each with pentobarbitol and secobarbitol, and each came across as an odd mix of a benzodiazepine and...a hallucinogen almost. the pentobarbitol was laboratory grade and probably just threshhold range, but contained a nice sedation as well as a sort of cognitive musical component accompanied by euphoria-while walking around SWIM was walking around, he was literally composing symphonies in his head with separate parts for the different sections (in reality, SWIM only plays two instruments), which he found quite pleasurable. Some shallowness of breathing was noted later on. But these drugs are extremely rare, although a relative of SWIM's was once prescribed secobarbitol for a back injury once...why he/she was not given an opiate or cyclobenzeprine instead is beyond SWIM's ability to comprehend! Maybe the doctor had a sense of nostalgia...

[Nagognog2]

Bongo, in his early days, had access to just about every pharmaceutical drug on the planet - including barbituates. Being an inquisitive monkey, he found that 200mg Tuinals were a wonderful sleeping pill. These are a 50/50 mixture of Seconal and Amytol. 100mg each in the one's Bongo had. These were called Rainbows in the street trade, as the capsule is half red, half blue. They were/are a favorite amongst barb-heads. One of those and you will sleep through an atomic explosion. Seconal is classed as a short-acting barbituate with effects lasting around 2 hours. Amytol is classed as Medium, lasting 5 hours. 100mg of either by itself will knock a person silly - with no tolerance. In fact the slang name for barbituates is "goofballs."

[enquirewithin]

SWIm experimented with tuinals a couple of times. They turn you into a stumbling, uncoordinated idiot, if you stay awake, especially if you are stupid enough to drink as well. He remembers waking up the next day covered with bruises on one ocassion.

Barbiturates are addictive. Some heroin addicts in the 70s ended up injecting barbs (I knew a survivior) as they are very 'strong' (if you like that sort of thing). They are also strongly alklaline so they destroy your veins.

[Benzeneringz]

Thipental is a short-acting barbiturate used as a 'truth serum' in some instances, I believe. That sounds good to me.

[killthepoor187]

I've only come across barbiturates twice. Both times is was phenobarbital. The first time was in jail where they gave it to the junkies and the serious alcoholice to help with the withdrawls. The second time was when they had prescribed it for a friends cat for one reason or another and some were leftover. He didn't do drugs, so I ate them.

[adzket]

dont no you acn no longer get them in the uk docs dont perscribe them any more.

[astenu]

butalbital is not bad. it reminded SWIM of the calm relaxed state he got from meprobamate. a mild euphoria with a desire to lie down and drift into outer space

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by adzket

dont no you acn no longer get them in the uk docs dont perscribe them any more.

Not strictly true - thiopental is used in anaesthesia, phenobarbital is used in epilepsy (most likely as a last resort), and amobarbitol (Amytal), amobarbitol sodium (Sodium Amytal), butobarbital, (Soneryl), secobarbital sodium (Seconal Sodium) & Tuinal (amobarbitol sodium 50mg + secobarbitol 50mg, Controlled under schedule 2 of the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 2001) are still available in the treatment of anxiety & poor sleep, but only to people with an ongoing prescription; don't bother trying to get a script for these in Briton kittlings- you won't!

(Edit: Oops, nearly forgot! Source - BNF 51, www.bnf.org)

And now, back to our scheduled programme...

[adzket]

oh right thanks for that micklemouse i thought they did not perscribe them full stop due to the abuse potential and the fact that many addicts used to try and rob from pharmacys and old peoples homes ect and also because herion delers used them to cut product causeing many od's and deths, but this is obvuasly why they don't give out new perscriptions but have continued to perscribe to those who where already on them instead of risking taking them off them and perscribing something else.

[xxl]

Barbiturates are the drug of choice if one wants to commit sucuide. Unlike benzodiazepines, their effect is linear: the more you take, the more you sleep ... and die.

With most benzos, unless you combine with plenty of alcohol, you don't die even if you take the whole bottle, in fact you can go through a phase of overexcitement (combined with amnesia and other queer things). Judy Garland commited suicide with diazepam but she'd washed it down with a lot of alcohol.

I would suspect the black market in barbiturates is now for people who are terminally ill and don't trust hospitals to put them to sleep soon enough. The doses and way of administration are described in a book about self-aministered euthanasia entitled "Final Exit" (maybe no longer available).

[Spare Chaynge]

Swims friend recently came across a vial of pentobarbital. It is used to put down horses. swims friend tossed it in the toilet.
Certain death will result and it would be foolish to try and use this vial for anything other than achieving death.

Any other swim ever come across something similar.

[JaWill88]

swim used to be presribed to take 300mg phenobarbital once daily. he had this for a couple months for anxiety. swim has this crazy doctor who prescribed swim 6mg of clonazepam 3x daily, total of 18mg/day. well one day swim was at a friends and they had phenobarbital prescription for the dog so swim took 5 (60mg) to total 300mg. well swim liked it a lot and told the doctor he tried this one day for his anxiety, and said it worked better than clonazepam. believe it or not, the doctor actually prescribed it!! and this was swims suboxone doctor! looking back on this, swim realizes this guy was nuts.

[Panthers007]

Nuts and dangerous to others. Certifiable candidate for a rubber-room. I hope SWIM has another doctor by now.

[tyranny4u]

SWIMs favourite was not listed, so SWIM voted for pento.
until the nineties in germany there was a medication called "Speda",
the active substance was Vinylbital.

SWIM used it as a very good working sleeping pill (sometimes a combination of half
of a speda and a half 2 mg rohypnol)

SWIM liked the euphoric effects of vinylbital, once SWIM got over the state of being tired. SWIM liked this medication a lot, it was prescribed rarely. When the barbs were taken from market the black market/street prices shot up

[Seconal]

Barbiturates are my friend's favorite. Those things are better than ANY benzo available on the market today. Regardless if used for anxiety or sleep, they'll knock you out cold. Barbs are an old-school classic but rarely prescribed and hard to find. In the United States the only ones that are still around are secobarbital, phenobarbital, Tuinal (seco & amobarbital combo), phenobarbital and - only in hospital settings, pentobarbital vials. Pentobarbital is mainly used to put animals to sleep.

Swim once had a pretty bad overdose of phenobarbital a few months ago. At the time (before she had any tolerance to them) she toke a 600mg dose. Since pheno has a long half-life that takes usually around 2 -3 hours to feel it's effects - she toke hers around 6:00pm and within an hour started feeling very light headed and clumsy - then extremely tired. It was confusing because she had no idea that is drug hit so quickly - it was unexpected to say the least.

She fell asleep very peacefully for hours then woke up the next day feeling horrible! She felt very "drunk" and could barely walk, her vision was "3D" (made the walls look like they were 'shaking'), was dizzy and had a hard time staying awake. Thinking that the effects would soon pass, she tried sleeping it off - but again since phenobarbital is a "long acting" drug, she ended up spending her whole weekend in bed. Eventually, the effects subsided after a few days after the OD.

Ever since then, she's been very careful with her dosage. Now pheno is one of her favorite pills. You just have to respect the potency of barbs.


Seconal added 4 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

My friend is also going to getting some pentobarbital soon and she's very excited to experiment and compare this drug with the phenobarb. It's certainly going to be more stronger/potent because pentobarbital is short-acting.

[rob42853]

My friend swim has injected pentobarbital many times, and it is used for puting animals to sleep but if swim only has a little bit swim just gets real high. but do be very careful said my friend swim

[HiMSGOG]

Swim found Butalbital quite enjoyable. Combined with cannabis, swim was in a serene state.

[chillinwill]

Red Rock also found Butalbital to be quite enjoyable as well. His tolerance is so high to barbiturates now that it isn't even worth taking though since the risk of OD is so great. Back when he first started taking Butalbital, he found euphoria on a small amount