A newbie asks about smoking Heroin

[klaatu]

Swim has never tried Heroin and has only ever seen it injected. He has a question about how to smoke it.

Swim's friends who inject buy "brown" which they mix with something-or-other, water and then heat up to disolve, etc. Swim's question is - can the same "brown" be smoked? If so, how?

Swim occasionally smokes crack which he does by mixing scrapings of crack with cigarette ash then applying direct heat with a lighter. Can Swim do the same with brown or does it have to be "chasing the dragon"? Are there other ways to smoke H?

Sorry if I'm asking really dumb questions, but I tried searching the forums but didn't find answers to this q.

Klaatu

[CrookedEye]

Smoking heroin is usually done by vaporizing it on foil or something similar(chasing the dragon), however swim has never tried it with tar... Swim is sure you could mix it with an herb or tobacco and smoke it...

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM was at a crazy cycle courier party and was smoked some heroin. SWIM had a couple of puffs from some which was being burned on foil. SWIM recalls feeling detached but without the warmth of E. The most annoying thing was how disgusting it smelled -- sort of a sickly sweet smell which SWIM continued to smell in her sweat and hair over the next three days. Not that brilliant in her opinion but maybe not enough was smoked.

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by Mona Lisa

SWIM was at a crazy cycle courier party

Cycle couriers on heroin? LOL - now that's how to make cycling popular

Klaatu

[pokergod0588]

does the H even have to be mixed with water?

i've heard that using a cheap (by cheap i mean thin) metal spoon works better because foil transfers heat quicker, dont want to burn your fingers

[CrookedEye]

you need to mix it with water to shoot it, but not to smoke it...

[klaatu]

Unfortunately Swim kind of chickened-out and never actually got to try any H on Moday night. But that was partly because Swim had bought a wheelbarrow load of crack (ok, slight exageration) because Swim had just got his annual bonus at work!

Swim wll be more determined next time he goes to his H-using friend's house and then report back here.

Klaatu

[Alicia]

Swim can smoke heroin of any purity on foil , but pure dia-morphine would be better in a glass pipe setting where the glass is heated under substance, chasing on foil is fine just make sure the flame doesn't burn the foil rather it should just vaporize it, do not burn it directly as this will ruin most of the high,if at all any is obtained.

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by Alicia

chasing on foil is fine just make sure the flame doesn't burn the foil rather it should just vaporize it, do not burn it directly

Alicia, how do I know if the foil / H is burning?

Klaatu

[pokergod0588]

so you're saying that the best way is to drop it threw the hole of a regular weed bowl and just heat the bottom? SWIM has a handheld vaporizer could you just put it where u put the weed and let it vap?

[Alicia]

because my dear klaatu it will taste like shit. thats if u burn the foil, that is,(also try avoid burning the foil if you chase the H), depending on its purity it should melt then begin to sizzle hence the dragon, suck all vapor misty smoke color but not like smoke smoke threw a straw or tube or something have it close to the foil as well, not to close u breath in the powder`tar`sludge etc .
Also a side note smoking heroin is safer than I'v and Snorting as with those methods its easy to do to much, least with smoking u can stop suddenly if u need to. However you will never get the same rush as shooting it thou.

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[klaatu]

Originally Posted by Alicia

because my dear klaatu it will taste like shit

Ok Alicia. But as Swim don't know what it tastes like Swim might not know the difference!!!

Like most things I guess it will have to be a case of practise, practise, practise But I appreciate any advice to stop Swim making stupid mistakes.

Klaatu

[pokergod0588]

from experience using weed in a lightbulb vaporizer, you gotta keep the flame moving as to not burn it, just heat it up slowly

[Alicia]

pokergod0588 SWIM has a handheld vaporizer could you just put it where u put the weed and let it vap?
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Yes that would work, but try not to burn it thou as it would waste it.

[Alicia]

yep thats about it. once u got the hang of it, u sort of know it then, have fun and be-careful. As it is still possible to od any method using heroin or any other opiate for that matter, dispite the heavenly bliss they can cause.
Stay away from Alcohol or any other Central Nervous Depressants when using opiates more so with heroin and do not mix coke and smack together they do work very well, but if u got up yer dose. start counting yeah breaths. be safe people.

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by Alicia

start counting yeah breaths

??? What does that mean Alicia?

Klaatu

[Alicia]

Klaatu death from opiates usually always results in Respiratory depression, if a Large dose or a dose which the user misread due to tolarance.) where the endorphins (neuro chems in brain that usually bind when in great pain, or when us opiates including heroin) flood the areas of the brain that control breathing, as a result u suffocate your lungs no longer recieve the message to breath of if they do it is very slight. so that kinda what I mean by counting the breaths. although the high is so great its just like going to sleep if its I.V anyway. Doing cocaine with Heroin seems like a wonderful romance and it is. The coke likes to cheat thou and often leaves the marriage earlier. So when the heroin decides to leave by that time your heart may of lost is rhythm entirely which ends up in death.

However it can be reversed by Narcan, for opiates, not sure about coke overdoses. which races to sites in the brain that the endorphins occupy, this also will put the individual straight into withdrawal. often leaving them very shitty and more..

[klaatu]

Death?? Heck Swim was only looking to have a little, enjoyable smoke! You make it sound almost dangerous Alicia ;-)

Klaatu

[Alicia]

well it is, its impossible to judge the purity of street heroin, This is why it should be on prescription to addicts and heavy users that the purity is know less crime committed etc.. LESS HARM !! but no they love this war.

Not to mention its just as addictive, what seems like fun on a weekend basis could escalate into full time nagging use, but by that time u no longer get high, your just feeding it to stop withdrawal occurring. Classic constant itch flu like symptoms, other nasties. etc.

So.... not that I condone Klaatu substance use

Oh yes by all means try it, just dont go nuts with it do a small amount first then see how u feel, and I dont think you'd die first time chasing not unless it was super strong and you over exerted yourself before hand (i.e drinking) Mind you if ya can have enough control on crack use like weekends and resist the urges to do it again during the week you should be ok, but what is important you will like get psychology addicted to smack long before the physical addiction.

[klaatu]

Well thanks for the info Alicia. I will report all this back to Swim and see what he says. If he does end up trying Heroin I have no doubt that he will report back here

Klaatu

[Alicia]

Not a problem, enjoy and be safe. well as safe as safe can be.

[klaatu]

Update: I'm pleased to announce that Swim visited his "girlfriend" last night (Friday) - she's the one who knows where to buy drugs, Swim doesn't - and managed to persuade her to let him have some H. But the evening was cut short and so Swim is going to have to try his first taste of H at home Sunday morning when his S.O. is away for the day.

I've promised Swim I will report back here to the Forum what his first impression of Mistress Heroin is....

Klaatu

[Alicia]

look forward to your experince.

[klaatu]

Originally Posted by Alicia

look forward to your experince.

Swim's experience was as follows -

Sunday lunchtime, approx 1pm. The house to himself for the rest of the day. However, to get himself into the mood Swim decides to break into a rock of crack. Smokes maybe a third of that but it's not really doing it for him, so he has a couple of glasses of vodka as Swim much prefers Vodka + Coke to coke alone.

About 15 mins later Swim smokes another third of the crack and is feeling just fine

So Swim decides it's time to try the H and spends the next 15 mins fiddling around with bits of foil and peering at the strange (and tiny!) amount of pale brown powder.

Lighter in one hand, foil in the other and his own patented crack-pipe extension clamped between his lips (ridiculous sight, no?) he heats the bottom of the foil. Fascinated to see the H melt and being very cautious he doesn't actually produce any smoke at the first attempt.

Second heating does produce a few wisps of smoke which are succesfully hoovered up. Hold breath, pause. Cannot feel much at all so far exept a slight dizziness.

Tries again, this time more smoke captured. Hold breath, pause. Definite dizzy feeling. Nothing else yet though, no eurphoria or anything. Goes for a little walk, somewhat unsteadily. Comes back and decides to have more as there's nothing happening yet.

Chases more smoke, just the one lungful though, and stops. By now feeling Very Dizzy. Very much lke being Very Drunk. Walks (staggers?) to the bedroom and lies down waiting for the room to stop. Sleeps about 1 hour.

Wakes up, dizzyasfuck still, goes downstairs, lies down on sofa as it's better than trying to stand.

Spends the next 6 hours sleeping, opening an eye to see if Up and Down have sorted themselves out yet, then going back to sleep. Feels way too poorly to let me post aything here on the Forum.

In summary, a pretty grim experience. And not onehe wishes to repeat. At least not with that outcome. So the question is why was it so bad?

A few answers -

1. The H was cut with something evil (possibly by the "girlfriend"?)

2. H and Vodka &/or Coke don't mix

3. H & Swim don't mix

Any ideas?

Klaatu

[These Forensics]

Originally Posted by klaatu

Swim's experience was as follows -

Sunday lunchtime, approx 1pm. The house to himself for the rest of the day. However, to get himself into the mood Swim decides to break into a rock of crack. Smokes maybe a third of that but it's not really doing it for him, so he has a couple of glasses of vodka as Swim much prefers Vodka + Coke to coke alone.

About 15 mins later Swim smokes another third of the crack and is feeling just fine

So Swim decides it's time to try the H and spends the next 15 mins fiddling around with bits of foil and peering at the strange (and tiny!) amount of pale brown powder.

Lighter in one hand, foil in the other and his own patented crack-pipe extension clamped between his lips (ridiculous sight, no?) he heats the bottom of the foil. Fascinated to see the H melt and being very cautious he doesn't actually produce any smoke at the first attempt.

Second heating does produce a few wisps of smoke which are succesfully hoovered up. Hold breath, pause. Cannot feel much at all so far exept a slight dizziness.

Tries again, this time more smoke captured. Hold breath, pause. Definite dizzy feeling. Nothing else yet though, no eurphoria or anything. Goes for a little walk, somewhat unsteadily. Comes back and decides to have more as there's nothing happening yet.

Chases more smoke, just the one lungful though, and stops. By now feeling Very Dizzy. Very much lke being Very Drunk. Walks (staggers?) to the bedroom and lies down waiting for the room to stop. Sleeps about 1 hour.

Wakes up, dizzyasfuck still, goes downstairs, lies down on sofa as it's better than trying to stand.

Spends the next 6 hours sleeping, opening an eye to see if Up and Down have sorted themselves out yet, then going back to sleep. Feels way too poorly to let me post aything here on the Forum.

In summary, a pretty grim experience. And not onehe wishes to repeat. At least not with that outcome. So the question is why was it so bad?

A few answers -

1. The H was cut with something evil (possibly by the "girlfriend"?)

2. H and Vodka &/or Coke don't mix

3. H & Swim don't mix

Any ideas?

Klaatu

who the hell feels happy after smoking crack? i was reading that part of your experience and was curious to know the answer to that. i'm usually not sayin anything looking on the floor for more and being bugged out by noises that i keep hearing (the cops are here etc)

anyway, it seems like you got your hands on shitty smack