Originally Posted by Solinari
I definitely don't believe it is the most addictive substance on earth, I don't see how. It acts on the same receptor sites as any other opioid
. Are the withdrawals worse than heroin
I'll try to give you a clue.
Let's imagine two equipotential options. Cold turkey
from 1g of heroin per day and another option is 50mg methadone
. Both supportive doses. Both CT without any meds at all.
With heroin 10-12 hours after last injection the one already gets wet eyes and nose. 24 hours after already starts normal acute WD. Up to 4th-5th day symptoms getting acuter and acuter. And on 6th-7th day WDs fast become a way easier. Then a week or two of insomnia and you are done with acute phase.
With methadone it is a bit more complicated. First night after last injection the one has a great deep sleep. Second night not that bad too. No buzz but still ok. Third night already harder, but if one tired during the day and work a bit on himself before get into bed he also could get full time sleep. It'll be vivid shiting out nightmares but it is still sleep. On forth night starts problems. One just can't get sleep, each 30 seconds he turns over on one side... on other side... hugs the pillow... head under the pillow... head next to pillow... hangs one leg from the bed... put another leg on the wall... "damn pillow" -- throw it away... "without pillow it is even worse" -- crawl for pillow... stand up to walk a bit... lay him down... same non stop twisting. And finally, after running dry, one gets a 2-4 hours of sleep, not even a sleep, just laying still. Sleeping pills not works, one just gets more tired and strive to roll over the bed. He just can't lay still: something like restless legs but spread all over the body. Fifth night the same but this time one is a lucky guy if he got an hour of sleep.
Common for opiates
symptoms unfold very slow: first tears might appear at the end of 3rd day. Heroin's second day symptoms one gets somewhere at 5th 6th day. WDs not only lasts longer it also become acute very slow (comparing to heroin). Heroin's 4-5th day peak for methadone comes at 9-10-11th day, so one could note each small changes in growing pain. One reaches this peak fully sucked dry by insomnia, brain tired up to hallucinations, body hurts with lot of adrenaline
but one can't spend it `cos that's not his body anymore.
And of course, main difference of methadone. No matter what other say, SWIM
sure methadone has NMDA activity, not that bright like dipipanone, but it has. It is well notable after coke
+methadone shot, when coke remembrance still fresh, even 10 hours after SWIM catches himself on clenching tooth and that almost not notable coke buzz, even echos of coke buzz but there is one for sure. Anyway, depression on methadone's CT is a way harder then on heroin or after any other depressants
SWIM (ab)used. One man here hanged oneself during his in home methadone detox. Probably, SWIM could try to quote his thoughts before hanging: "that's it, no more `done... till the end of the life... years of striving to wake up at the morning... to eat... to work... to pay bills... to endlessly pointlessly run in this maze made by someone else where I have to run... years without motivation to live... years of suffering... and all this just to die at the end... why not end it right now?". Even understanding that this depression is just chemical disorder in body produced by years of methadone using. Even in this case depression presses hard, too hard for some people. With heroin one just don't has time for those mental undertones (material pain starts pretty fast), but methadone gives a lot of time to let depression sneak through each deep dark corner of victim's soul. Plus strung out brain...
To be honest there is a lot of differences between heroin and methadone CT, PAWS
, recovery... To tired to write all of it. And I doubt all this, hardly notable from outside, differences interesting to anybody.
Just because you get methadone almost for free it is not:
...a drug of dirty scum bag granny robbing junkies, isn't it? Well of course not but that's how some people see it...
SWIM living in a country where methadone forbid just like coke, heroin or any other "most dangerous" drug
, there is no MMT or any other gains of civilized society. So SWIM could say what place methadone takes on a black market when it is in same terms as, for example, heroin. 1g of methadone costs here as 10g of heroin or 2g of coke. And this is really low price because only 2 years passed since lists of controlled precursors included methadone precursors. 3 years ago anybody, who able to read, has not that big start-up budget and time, could go to nearest chemical shop spend some money, time and 2-5 days after he has ~600g of `done. So there is a lot of methadone labs, probably, same quantity as meth
Most of methadone "abusers" here runs theirs own MMT. SWIM even blind detoxed married couple once. Even when getting methadone same dangerous (no, even more dangerous) that getting heroin, people still hustle for methadone. Possessing SWIM's weekly dose prosecutes here up to 20 years in jail. Most of methadone users here is a mature opi-oids/-ates users who raced through highs and deeps of addiction
that came along with all well-known complications. Methadone WDs same common as heroin WDs here and it happens often. But... people still use methadone knowing it and gone through it. Just don't want to rewrite that is written thousand times on this forum about why and for who MMT useful and even life saver sometimes. Another question is why some doctors drag into MMT, for example, codeine
kid with 4 months experience, that's stupid, really stupid.
Sorry, too tired to finish this post, anyway I forgot what I were trying to say while typed all this arguments. If I remember why i wrote it I'll add it.