MDMA alone?

[Fantasian]

I know pills are basically purely for the party scene and for clubbing but pure MDMA?

Could SWIM take pure MDMA with his girlfriend and have a quiet night in with her watching films or wouldnt this be advisable?

On this note would taking MDMA alone be a bad idea? SWIM is just concious of how it will make him and therefore would prefer to experience the effects in his room in a safe enviroment before taking them out into the club scene.

[Jatelka]

Mate, MDMA alone is a wonderful thing. It is something SWIM would heartily recommend. Just be in a comfortable environment, have on some chilled tunes and just go with the flow (or end up leaping round your front room to slamming techno: Which is what she always ends up doing!) MDMA alone (or at home with just a few close friends) is very different to MDMA in a high stimulus environment like a club. The come-up is much smoother and more gradual. The body load is much less. You will feel a lot less "fucked". It is far subtler and far more dealable with. Just remember that MDMA in a club is far more stimulating, and there will be far more in the way of body rush. At home SWIM always gets a very serene, floaty feeling. The euphoria is there but it's not quite so desperate and "needy" . It is also much easier to get confused and overwhelmed in a club environment.

As for MDMA with your girlfriend: If you love and trust each other it is likely to be spectacular. SWIM can honestly say that taking MDMA with her partner changed their whole relationship for the better. She used the openess and empathy to be able to talk about things that she was too inhibited to talk about before, and to discuss things that she thought were problematic about their relationship: Before she would have just bottled up and let them fester. Things definitely changed. She honestly believes that they would not be together 10 years later had they not had that MDMA time at the beginning of their relationship.

Incidently: If you can both manage it, the sex will be fabulous (but don't take MDMA with that express purpose, because bodies can be recalcitrant!)

She personally would not recommend a film (dialogue and plot often difficult to follow). Nature documentary with the sound turned off is perfect for her ("The Blue Planet" is amazing)

Just remember that MDMA alone/In is a very different beast and you may have to reassess before doing it ou!

[Fantasian]

Would taking MDMA with SWIM's girlfriend still be a good idea if SWIM's Girlfriend wasnt on MDMA?

[Jatelka]

Taking MDMA with people who aren't also in an altered state can be rather weird and can get difficult to deal with, particularly if it's your first time. You want to be able to go with the flow and truly live the experience, rather than worrying about what others think. SWIM often feels inhibited if she is in that position, and in fact has pretty much stopped doing MDMA if she knows that there are going to be straights there (unless they are people she knows exceptionally well). It's not that with a reasonable starting dose you'll be talking gibberish and gurning like a fiend, but you want to be able to fully enjoy yourself without worrying about others perceptions of you and your behaviour.

SWIF also needs to consider how his girlfriend feels about the whole thing. Is she happy with the idea of him taking MDMA? Is there a particular reason she doesn't want to do it with him? Is there an altered state she would prefer to be in when he takes the MDMA?

As long as you talk about it together and work out what's good for you both SWIM can't see any problems.

Enjoy!

[jduba]

my best rollz have been at home with great friends!

[FrankenChrist]

Swim wouldn't like rolling in clubs.

Mid 20th century, MDMA was used as a tool for meditation and get togethers with people where the hippies would share fruit by candle light or whatever. Clubs can often have a bad vibe (too hot, drunk people, etc).

Films? Like the others said, get something with nature and landscapes eyecandy. Stuff like Koyaanisqatsi, Powwaqatsi, and Baraka.
You might not like the TV though. Just being together could be enough.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by jatelka

Taking MDMA with people who aren't also in an altered state can be rather weird and can get difficult to deal with, particularly if it's your first time. You want to be able to go with the flow and truly live the experience, rather than worrying about what others think. SWIM often feels inhibited if she is in that position, and in fact has pretty much stopped doing MDMA if she knows that there are going to be straights there (unless they are people she knows exceptionally well). It's not that with a reasonable starting dose you'll be talking gibberish and gurning like a fiend, but you want to be able to fully enjoy yourself without worrying about others perceptions of you and your behaviour.

SWIF also needs to consider how his girlfriend feels about the whole thing. Is she happy with the idea of him taking MDMA? Is there a particular reason she doesn't want to do it with him? Is there an altered state she would prefer to be in when he takes the MDMA?

As long as you talk about it together and work out what's good for you both SWIM can't see any problems.

Enjoy!

Well she isnt comfortable taking any phychoactive substance not even cannabis. She doesnt mind when SWIM is beshroomed and lying with her as SWIM is all nice and giggly as well as lots of hugging. She has very little understand of phychoactives so SWIM beleieves that if he pretends it's just another shroom trip but a little stronger then all will be well. SWIM is very close to his girlfriend and would tell her anything but she asks him not to speak about his phychoactive experiences.

I know that mnay might believe this is the wrong way to go around thing but SWIM really would like to experience MDMA with someone by himself rather than in a club but SWIM doesnt really have any friends who appriciate MDMA.

Thanks for the advise

[Jatelka]

SWIM would have to say that for her pretending to be on shrooms when on MDMA would somehow negate her experience. For her, MDMA has always been about opening up and letting go and being able to be honest (with herself and others). If SWIF's girlfriend isn't comfortable with the idea of taking psychoactives then SWIM cannot imagine that this would be the best environment for SWIF to experience such a wonderful drug for the first time.

She would (almost) be tempted to say: Do it alone. (But of course that wouldn't be responsible).

[Nagognog2]

I concur. Using subterfuge with someone you love with a headful of MDMA would be the epitome of counter-productive.

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Very informative and helpful On MDMA

[Fantasian]

So would MDMA still be enjoyable alone? SWIM really doesnt have anyone as interested as him in phychoactives especially ones that are more 'Hard' than cannabis.

[cupdetat]

I feel I can relate to your situation, Most of my friends do not use any chemicals other than alcohol and some even look down on the use of psychoactives, and as a result most of my mdma experiences have been alone. Now, I prefer using x alone or with a very close friend to large groups or parties. It seems to be a much more introspective and thereuputic experience in smaller settings. I have discovered a lot about myself that I don't think I would have seen with others distracting me. If something difficult is on my mind, I often like to take a long walk at dawn or sundown to see if the x can help me.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by cupdetat

I feel I can relate to your situation, Most of my friends do not use any chemicals other than alcohol and some even look down on the use of psychoactives, and as a result most of my mdma experiences have been alone. Now, I prefer using x alone or with a very close friend to large groups or parties. It seems to be a much more introspective and thereuputic experience in smaller settings. I have discovered a lot about myself that I don't think I would have seen with others distracting me. If something difficult is on my mind, I often like to take a long walk at dawn or sundown to see if the x can help me.

Thanks for the advice but SWIM's plan was looking for more of a recreational experience rather than a spiritual one. If SWIM was looking for a spiritual experience he would use Amnita Muscara or a high dose of shrooms.

Im guessing that MDMA isnt that recreational when used alone then?

[Lotuseater]

I used to take MDMA alone to meditate. By I think it is most interesting and useful when you can share it with close friends/lovers and talk freely about all kinds of things. Also, if you take a fairly low dose of MDMA it can be excellent for intimacy and sex with your lover... though anything more than a low dose and (if you're male) you might not be able to perform. It can still make hugging and massaging feel amazing though.

[Lotuseater]

That's not to say it can't be fun alone. But I don't think you'd feel it's full benefits unless you shared it with some friends. You don't have to go out clubbing or anything, you could just have a time nice at home or in a sunny park. But either way I would recommend taking it with others.

[Jeff Woad]

Swim has been using mdma for about 10 years now, (heavily for 2 or 3) and has had some fantastic nights in on mdma all alone. Not getting really wasted and having loads of pills, but just 1 or 2.

Swim finds that ANY situation can be made more fun with some mdma, but to go off topic for a minute, swim thinks that even once a week becomes too often to use mdma after just a few months- i.e. When the "honeymoon" period is over.

[xpr´k]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

So would MDMA still be enjoyable alone? SWIM really doesnt have anyone as interested as him in phychoactives especially ones that are more 'Hard' than cannabis.

maybe try and convince some of em, that an occational MDMA experience (you have to keep it occational though) is far more healthier for your body and mind then a chronic canabis addiction. Of course combining MDMA with a chronic canabis addiction would be even worse

On the taking alone part, swim cant do it. Shy is not the word but in normal life he flies solo for the main part, connecting to people isnt something he does or care to do easely. However when he's on MDMA he just has to be around people for some reason, even with people he wouldnt normally concider dropping into.
He always ends up leaving his home by car in search of some company and although driving under the influence of MDMA is quite the experience and extremely fun its downright lifethreatening.
If you can get your girlfriend to try it together you'll have the time of your life and as stated before, MDMA has great therapeuthical value it can really bring people closer together but please never put her through the experience of you having taken it and she not, especially if she has never used it herself.
I garantue you she'll be scared then very angry and it will kill your relationship in the worst case scenario.
Swim has been taping their last few parties on a videocam and he says watching himself back when he was sober was unsettling at first, he never realised just how fucked up you can get on the stuff.

[Fantasian]

All your replies have veen most helpful but havnt really answered my question fully?

If i take MDMA alone what is my likely experience and effects? Wil;l is be pleasurable in a recreational sense as oppose to spiritual?

[FrankenChrist]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

All your replies have veen most helpful but havnt really answered my question fully?

If i take MDMA alone what is my likely experience and effects? Wil;l is be pleasurable in a recreational sense as oppose to spiritual?

You can make it what you want. You can be in the mood for one or the other.

However, if you want to use it spiritually, I advise you to use a somewhat lower dose. You might have too much energy to sit still and meditate for instance.

says swim

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Good advice on MDMA

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

All your replies have veen most helpful but havnt really answered my question fully?

If i take MDMA alone what is my likely experience and effects? Wil;l is be pleasurable in a recreational sense as oppose to spiritual?

swim has used mdma in all scenarios mentioned above. clubs are good but could get ugly if your in a strange place and not around a lot of friends.

home with a woman you love/like even if it is just plutonic, is very good. probably the best really.

alone, frankly is somewhat lonely. you pobably won't enjoy it so much the first time by yourself. you'll just be wishing your girl was there.

maybe get some info about how mdma was used theraputically before the gov. decided to make it seem so dangerous. it really is very benign as long as you don't go overboard. I can't imagine anyone who wouldn't enjoy it at least once. make sure you know the stuff is good, have tested if neccessary fo purity. she may be paranoid about that, sice nearly all x deaths and e.r. admissions are linked to mdma tainted with other adulterants, sometimes no mdma.

if there is no way she will do it, I don't know what to say. get her a little buzzed on booze first then you take your roll (not a lot mind you). maybe she'll just like how affectionate you are, tell her the next day. whatever you do don't slip her a micky (e unknown in her drink). she'd be pissed and should be. there's no excuse for that. if you act like a gentleman and not stupid (which you shouldn't with a modest dose) she may become curious and give it a try later.

I think doing it by yourself will be lonely though.

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Good advise on MDMA thanks

[All4n]

SWIM was considering taking ecstasy on a average night out instead of drinking. This average night out consists of going to about 5 or 6 bars (some quiet, low music chill out bars, others loud music and lots of people about) then off to a club. However, all of SWIMs friends would be drinking alcohol and SWIM would be the only one on ecstasy. How advisable is this considering the circumstances? This would also be SWIMs first time on ecstasy.

[FrankenChrist]

IMHO, nah.

MDMA will make you all lovey and mellow. Emotions and sensations you experience will be perceived stronger. I don't think this a good idea to do it when you're surrounded with drunk people as they can easily get loud, obnoxious and aggressive.

[oldman]

all4n
you need to find some holy rollers to hang with dude. drunks can not be all that much fun. go find some chick that seems cool, tell her your situation, thatyou don' want to be alone, maybe she'll hang with ya. worst case she says no and you're where you are now.

[deji]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

All your replies have veen most helpful but havnt really answered my question fully?

If i take MDMA alone what is my likely experience and effects? Wil;l is be pleasurable in a recreational sense as oppose to spiritual?

Swim thinks alone will be fine. Always time to roll with others. The good part of the roll is very short really. Or seems short at least since it is so good, then its over. You dont want to waste this bsing with other people not rolling, just kills it. Just chill with some music and will be fine. Its really easy to handle, and wont care anyway since you will be feeling so good. But, being around people that arent rolling is not fun in swims opinion. Being is a club, it doesnt matter, can just walk away and chill with others or dance in your own world. Best part of first roll is you see what music is really about. Swim will always remember his first roll.

[raven3davis]

SWIM thinks MDMA is one of those drugs that needs the company of others to fully enjoy. SWIM is sure you can have a recreational or spiritual experience while rolling alone on XTC but it is much better to be able to share your feelings with someone else and converse with a friend or a companion. The conversation will be very insightful and you will really connect with each other like never before. SWIM has rolled in a club too and it is pretty fun. It is good because you can start chatting with chicks and really connect with girls who you have never met. It makes conversation very smooth and easy going especially if you are generally shy.

The first time SWIM took and mdma tab he was alone most of the time. Some friends were over but soon after his roll started to kick in, everyone left. He enjoyed the experience and just chilled on the computer nd listened to musicbut future experiments with friends prooved to be much more enjoyable. SWIM only rolled alone that one time and now he always rolls with good friends and they always have a good time.

The enviroment doesnt really play a huge factor when SWIM is rolling. As long as there is music playing and friends to chat with then SWIM will be having a good time. SWIM can remember many times where he just rode around in a car all night singing along with his friends to their favorite music. SWIM recommends taking ecstasy with others who are on ecstasy. SWIM has taken a few times where he was the only one rolling. It is better than being alone but you dont get the fully feeling of empathy that you get when you are rolling with others. MDMA is a wonderful drug in SWIMS opinion. It makes you feel so fucking euphoric you wont know what to do with yourself You can really have a good time on MDMA no matter what happens. Plan to have a good time and that is what you will have my friend. Good luck with your future adventures with mdma.

[Nagognog2]

Each person is different. This debate is totally meaningless. Some prefer being in a crowd. Some alone. Some don't have a preference. I'm putting this dead horse to bed.

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