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Old 09-08-2011, 17:18
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does meth lose potency when left lying around?

sorry guys..i know there are soo many threads already but i searched and searched for the answer for this and could not really find it so i figured i'll jus ask it straight up. because my buddy smokes and he always wants good clean stuff, so he'll hit it and put it away for a few hours. within that time period, is anything chemistry occurring within the compound of the stuff? like do any elements evaporate? does ephedrine lose its strength? lol.. ya i know, i guess it sounds kinda stupid but i just dont know lot about it and would like to know as much as possible. so i guess anything along the line of this area i would love to hear about. so if anybody gives input, thank you very much!
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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

a friend of mine that isnt local (death sentence here if you make this stuff so no one dares as far as i know.) had a bag sitting in his cupboard for 3 years that he forgot about, and when he took it out he said it didnt feel different so i guess it doesnt. he has been cooking it the same way ever since he started as well so it shouldnt be.
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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

AFOAF said that a person from Meth Mountain Alabama (1) told them that Meth actually gets better with age.

I have seen meth that went through some sort of a color metamorphosis. The powder was white and a few weeks later it changed colors. I was told the color change did not affect the quality.

I have also seen it change in consistency, from a powder to a mushy white liquid. This may be the result of an incomplete syntheisis.

(1) In case you are not familiar with the modern origins of Meth in the USA, it's roots go back to a place known as Meth Mountain in Alabama (Google it).

Do not confuse Meth with Crank. Crank in the USA dates back to the late 50's early 60's American Motorcycle gangs; inparticular, The Pagans, a NJ outlaw motorcycle gang.
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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

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Meth[/AUTOLINK] with Crank. Crank in the USA dates back to the late 50's early 60's American Motorcycle gangs; inparticular, The Pagans, a NJ outlaw motorcycle gang.
so methamphetamine is different from crank? strange.. i've never heard about that. i always thought it was the same. i believe that there are different outcomes due to different processes, but i could be wrong-idk?? but cool..thanks for the info.

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a friend of mine that isnt local (death sentence here if you make this stuff so no one dares as far as i know.) had a bag sitting in his cupboard for 3 years that he forgot about, and when he took it out he said it didnt feel different so i guess it doesnt. he has been cooking it the same way ever since he started as well so it shouldnt be.
dude... that's horrible. it's like worst than murder. well thanks for the info. really helpful. i'll tell swim to put his pipe in the cabinet for 3 years then hit it. lol..

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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

[QUOTE=pairavayz;1016386]so methamphetamine is different from crank? strange.. i've never heard about that. i always thought it was the same. i believe that there are different outcomes due to different processes, but i could be wrong-idk?? but cool..thanks for the info.


Maybe I should do a little more research on the difference between crank and meth. I just did a quick search and the two terms (meth and crank) are used synonomously. I've had experience with both. They are both speed but when crank was snorted, it did not have the burn meth does. It was very smooth and pleasant. In contrast, snorting meth burns, burns, burns, like your nose is no fire. Some people incorporate the meth dance and song when they snort the stuff; jump from one foot to the other as the chant "It burns! it burns! It some how seems to cool down the horrible burn as it travels through the nasal passages. I suppose some one could slap the snorter in head and it would have to same cool down affect as the dance and song. My personal preference would be to dance and sing. Slapping me in the head would divert the burn but it would probably piss me off more. As I recall, the highs are different too. At least for some people. As I recall, some people think crank was more pleasant than meth. Like I said, guess I need to do a more indepth study on the difference between the two (if there is any). Like you suggested, the difference is most likely the conversion process and extra crap in PSE. Thanks!

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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

lol.. swim almost broke his pipe right now. i see them doin that dance at the clubs. must be the meth!! LOL.. thanks tho. i like the input. as long as u helped answer my question. i'll tell swim to stop trying dum shit to retain the shit's energy source. he'll be able to put the pipe away in peace finaly.
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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

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sorry guys..i know there are soo many threads already but i searched and searched for the answer for this and could not really find it so i figured i'll jus ask it straight up. because my buddy smokes and he always wants good clean stuff, so he'll hit it and put it away for a few hours. within that time period, is anything chemistry occurring within the compound of the stuff? like do any elements evaporate? does ephedrine lose its strength? lol.. ya i know, i guess it sounds kinda stupid but i just dont know lot about it and would like to know as much as possible. so i guess anything along the line of this area i would love to hear about. so if anybody gives input, thank you very much!
You will find mindbogglingly answers all over the place ranging from NO it lasts forever to anywhere from 4 to 6 weeks. To get a "accurate" answer you must be specific in your question.

Does Methamphetamine HCl have a shelf life?
(Short accurate answer)
YES even in its purest form it can and will degrade. Pharmacology reports list having a 2 year shelf life. And the following for proper storage and dispensing, remember this is it purest form and in a pill mass also, unlike street meth:

DESOXYN (methamphetamine hydrochloride tablets, USP) is supplied as white tablets imprinted with the letters OV on one side and the number 12 on the opposite side, containing 5 mg methamphetamine hydrochloride in bottles of 100 (NDC 67386-102-01).


Recommended Storage: Store below 86F (30C).

Dispense in a USP tight, light resistant container.

Rev: November, 2006

(Not so short answer but detailed)
We are not talking about pharmaceutical grade meth as above we are talking about street dope so that we are clear on this.

Q: Can street meth lose it's quality or potency over time and if so whats the shelf life?

A: Absofuckinlutly! and depending on how well or more often how shitty one is with handling it it could be shit in 10 seconds, but exactly how long it will live depends on so many factors. So I'll list the following suggestions and tested methods of handling. Known tests have proven if Meth is freshly produced and not 100% dry and placed in paper the paper will absorb the oil from the Meth killing the potency.

"Care and Handling of Your Product"

Can not say how important this step is enough times. Two most common major enemies of Whiz are "Heat and Moisture", Metal is another one.

Things you can do to extend the shelf life of your whiz!
  • Handle your product like it were diamonds. Nothing worse than a pig with his dope. The person that weighs out an 1/8 of swag on their scale and just brushes it off and grabs the whiz with their hands and just drops the shit on the scale. Now you have dirty shit specs in your shit.
  • Store in a cool dry place: Best storage ever witnessed in dreams was a substantial amount vacuum packed in a seal-a-meal bags and placed in a brown paper bag and in the freezer, resulted in the longest shelf life ever that Pinocchio swears on. 18 months
  • Store in a cool dry place: Try to keep it away from your body as much as possible. Remember the Pharmaceutical recommended "Store below 86F (30C)" so in that little baggie wrapped up in paper or some shit stuff in your nutsack is killing yer Whiz since your body is already anywhere from 96–100 F (35.4–37.8 C) depending on what part.
  • Do not leave your sack open: Dope is like a magnet for dust and it is also hydroscopic meaning it absorbs moisture from air.
  • Do not store in metal containers: Could be a chemical reaction and not worth taking the chance.
  • K.I.S.S.: Do not try and over think building some time machine or nuclear powered device to prolong Tina's life. By the time you figure out the blue prints you'll already have re-upped 3 or 4 times and fucked off your whole care plan in the first place. (Yes I know "oxymoron" asking a tweaker to not over think something) :P
You follow some basic things once you know what can kill it and it should be fine within a week or two. Longer if you get all Rambo on your shit.

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a friend of mine that isn't local (death sentence here if you make this stuff so no one dares as far as i know.) had a bag sitting in his cupboard for 3 years that he forgot about, and when he took it out he said it didn't feel different so i guess it doesn't. he has been cooking it the same way ever since he started as well so it shouldn't be.
He done smoked his brain in three years. Pfft! 3 years I guarantee you that there is NO CLANDESTINE ALCHEMIST that has consistently produced the same quality for any long period of time, consistently good YES but the same and to be able to say a batch was just as good then as it was three years ago deserves a slapping just for saying that nonsense.

The best of the best will tell you (well maybe they won't tell you directly) but they will tell you it does not happen. Possibly in three years the precursors got more scarce and the finish he was producing at that time was inferior to the old days. Or he's so smoke out it could have been 3 days it just felt like years lmao. Pharmaceutical companies even have bad runs. Geezuz let me guess he also told you he used to get 100% returns on his batches that's how good he was? lmao

EDIT: The mere fact that a sack lasted 3 months let alone 3 years in a dope house should have set off every bell and whistle within 10,000 miles KM or what ever you use for distance travel.

ok sorry next!


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AFOAF said that a person from Meth Mountain Alabama (1) told them that Meth actually gets better with age. (Yeah Just Like Sex With Men Over 80)

I have seen meth that went through some sort of a color metamorphosis. The powder was white and a few weeks later it changed colors. I was told the color change did not affect the quality. (color changing could be numerous things, but if it turned grey for instance from a chemical reaction with metal it would affect the quality. The fact that it was weeks later chances are it did, was it a pharmacist that told you it was OK)

I have also seen it change in consistency, from a powder to a mushy white liquid. This may be the result of an incomplete syntheisis.(Methamphetamine is HYDROSCOPIC meaning it will absorb moisture from the air or if it's near liquid , some girls hoop it up their snatch, and if your sack ain't closed right and yer beaver gets excited you would have the end result you had. Some how it got moisture in it is that result)

(1) In case you are not familiar with the modern origins of Meth in the USA, it's roots go back to a place known as Meth Mountain in Alabama (Google it).

Do not confuse Meth with Crank. Crank in the USA dates back to the late 50's early 60's American Motorcycle gangs; inparticular, The Pagans, a NJ outlaw motorcycle gang.
(This is where the train derails for you)
"Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"

I think there's a guide to copy and pasting somewhere out there you can copy and paste. Just don't mix up the guides like this.


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so methamphetamine is different from crank? strange.. i've never heard about that. i always thought it was the same. i believe that there are different outcomes due to different processes, but i could be wrong-idk?? but cool..thanks for the info.


Maybe I should do a little more research on the difference between crank and meth. (No Shit, Ya Think?)

I just did a quick search and the two terms (meth and crank) are used synonomously.
(Are you serious? You got one right!)

I've had experience with both. (Umm Really Now, Let's Hear About This)

They are both speed but when crank was snorted, it did not have the burn meth does. (Then You Sure As Hell DID NOT Snort Crank)

It was very smooth and pleasant. (Where You Ever Awake During This Dream?)

In contrast, snorting meth burns, burns, burns, like your nose is no fire.
(Umm Well You Got Two Right So Far)

Some people incorporate the meth dance and song when they snort the stuff; jump from one foot to the other as the chant "It burns! it burns! It some how seems to cool down the horrible burn as it travels through the nasal passages. I suppose some one could slap the snorter in head and it would have to same cool down affect as the dance and song.
(OKAAAAAY I'm Going Out On A Limb Here. Let Me Guess This Is A "Special" Group of Tweakers That Wear Helmets And Ride The Short Yellow Bus To Boost Pills From Walmart? Oh Wait And Also Wear Wetsuits While Surfing The Net..Right?)

My personal preference would be to dance and sing. Slapping me in the head would divert the burn but it would probably piss me off more. (I Do Not Condone Violence, But Times Like This I Think Back That Maybe O.J. Wasn't That Bad Of A Guy)

As I recall, the highs are different too.
(UHHH YEAH YA THINK! Like Let's Say The Days of Doing A Matchhead (a pile of crank the size of a matchhead, for those that don't know) Having It Rip The Back of Your Head Off, Sock You In Both Eyes, Making Them Water and Then Being Up For 4 Days Straight Willing To Build A Life Size Casino Out Of Legos. You Gettting The Picture as to What One Had The Horsepower Now?)

At least for some people. (UHH Yahtzee Like Those That Have Actually Experienced Both)

As I recall, some people think crank was more pleasant than meth. (Listen It's Time To Grab Toto And Run Cause The Tornados Comin' Dorothy)

Like I said, guess I need to do a more indepth study on the difference between the two (if there is any). (NEWS FLASH! Learning How To Use Google Does Not Count AS Real Life Experiances, Although They Are working On That lol And What DO You Consider "In Depth", Second If You Could Even Find Crank Today I Will Bet A Million Dollars That Elvis Will Be The One Sellin It!)

Like you suggested, the difference is most likely the conversion process and extra crap in PSE. Thanks! (Besides Thanks That's About The Only Thing Worth Anything You Said. And Original OG Biker Dope (crank) Was Made From P2P and Was Dirty as Fuck Since They Didn't Use State of The Art Equipment Back Then (hence the terms bathtub dope, dirty dope) and Was Hell On Wheels, Not Because It Was Better But Because Of Impurities Left Behind That Even Today It Seemed Better As Far As Horsepower Goes But if ANYONE Has EVER, EVER Done "Crank" They Will Tell You It Sure As Hell Was Not Pleasant To Snort For A Second, or They Are Like Poo Bear and Have No Nose Left At All lmao)
Anyway I hope you find the answer you are looking for somewhere in the above carnavel.

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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

yo thanks, infringe, lota solid info. and easy on the girl interupted, she's simply mis-informed. swim really appreciates the info and will remove the shit from his nutz. lol
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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

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yo thanks, infringe, lota solid info. and easy on the girl interupted, she's simply mis-informed. swim really appreciates the info and will remove the shit from his nutz. lol
I was just bustin chops I'm a fucknut, but glad you got something informative.

There's a difference between being "misinformed" and making statements based on self proclaimed experiences.

That's like me saying "Oh gosh yes passing a kidney stone is so much more pleasurable than trying on contact lenses for the first time."

I wear contacts and have never passed a kidney stone but I know damn well it ain't more pleasurable.

Peace out


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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

from members here that are meth chemist, the methamphetamine molecule is strong, not easily damageable, it can be left in a lye solution for months before separating and it comes out fine, so I believe it can withstand being exposed to ambiant conditions without degrading.
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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

in SWIMs opinion, it could depend on the quality/purity of the product, no?
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Re: does meth lose potency when left lying around?

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from members here that are meth chemist, the methamphetamine molecule is strong, not easily damageable, it can be left in a lye solution for months before separating and it comes out fine, so I believe it can withstand being exposed to ambiant conditions without degrading.
To a point it is strong depending on what stage it is in and what it is subjected to. Once in its final form (finished product) it CAN in fact be damaged easily, very easily actually and by damaged I would consider reverting back to pseudo definitely "damaged", HEAT, Moisture, Contact with Certain Metals, Storage and/or Contact with Certain Medications (pseudo-ephedrine,ephedrine and others) and numerous other things.

Using the example "it can be left in a lye solution for months before separating and it comes out fine" to support the statement "the methamphetamine molecule is strong, not easily damageable" is null!

Using easy to relate to terms the reason it CAN be left in a lye solution for days, weeks, months, forever even with proper storage is due to the fact that the Methamphetamine Molecule is "bipolar" meaning depending on its potential of hydrogen or "pH" it will survive in either an "Acidic" (pH<7.0) or "Basic" (alkaline) (pH>7.0) solution. A "Lye Solution" would simply be a Basic (alkaline) solution as the lye can be used to raise the pH (well above 10) in one of the final stages of the manufacturing process.


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in SWIMs opinion, it could depend on the quality/purity of the product, no?
Yes! As well as some of the other conditions I mentioned already.

A shitty RXN (reaction, conversion,cook .etc) containing even small amounts of unconverted pfed easily can and usually does "flip" or convert the batch back to pfed.

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