Differance between pills and pure MDMA powder

[Fantasian]

SWIM's Friend has recently been able to get hold of a gram of pure MDMA power as well as numerous pills. SWIM has never done E before and isn't sure which to do first or whether to do either or both?

1) whats the differance between MDMA pure powder and pills?

2) Would you advise E as a fun and safe(ish) experience? (Obviously no phychoactive experience is safe but i mean within riskable limits)

SWIM is 18, and 6.2 and 12 stone and has done previously the following in chronological order:
Alchohol
Tobacco
Cannabis
DXM
Codeine
Tramadol
Hydrocodone
Hydromorphone
Valium
Morphine
Mushrooms
- Maybe MDMA could come in here -

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good report by fantasia and good discussion over the difference between powder mdma and XTC.

[oldman]

it'll be a different turn thatn the others, but in swims opinion, nothing beats pure mdma. your size first time, swim'd say 100-120mgs of the pure stuff (if that's powder) pills can be pure but more often than not have other adulterants. not to say that just because the other is powder it's pure either. A supplement of 60mgs at 3 hour mark is optional. shouldn't need more than that first time. have a plan of things to do. something fun with friends girls etc. don't just take it sit home and watch the tele. waste of a roll and you probably won't like it. shows (concerts, clubs) are good settings. botanical gardens cool too. sometimes even museums are good fun. not like mushrooms but you'll feel a little funny in the begining liek you do on shrooms. just don't be tempted to do it all the time or you'll probably get depressed (seratonin depletion). once a month is okay in the begining maybe every 2 months after a while. some guys here say like twice a year or less. it's all personal. so much more insigh than all the rest. you feel clean.

[Nagognog2]

Bongo highly recommends that your pet orangutan have an empty stomach for this. Not because of nausea, but because food in the stomach will dilute the effects and prolong the time it takes to register. Many people have complained that MDMA was dissapointing. 9 out of 10 times the person had recently eaten before ingestion. Do make sure the orangutan has plenty of liquids (non-alcoholic) on hand.

[Jatelka]

SWIM would also go for the powder: Cleaner, calmer/more euphoric. No body load!

Enjoy!

[Nature Boy]

This isn't even really open for debate. MDMA is miles better. It's cleaner, safer, doesn't produce a manky comedown as long as you watch the dosage and it's also a lot more reassuring knowing what drug you're taking instead of some unpredictable pill that might contain some MDMA but might also contain all sorts of filler crap.

[oldman]

dittos on the empty stomach, at least 3 hours since eating. first roll swim and mrs swim did was shortly after a meal, didn't feel anything, first thing his brother asked was "when did you eat?" next time followed instructions and it was all good. empty stomach is rule #1.

[Fantasian]

Ok thanks for the advise so far, whats the best way to take the pure mdma? eat it?

Also many of my friends are a little anti drug, im assumibng i couldnt spend the night with them because they would realise i was using mdma, it's not subtle is it? i cant hide it?

Thanks again for the help

Pete

[Nature Boy]

One can be very subtle using MDMA but you need to know what to expect first so achieving this subtlety the first time you do MDMA would require only taking a very small amount.

I reckon the best way to take MDMA is to either put it in a blank capsule and swallow it or wrap some in a cigarette paper and swallow it. Some say plugging it up your anus gets the best effects but that wouldn't be my sort of thing.

[Fantasian]

Ill try using the capsule thanks im not with putting anything up my anus.

Any advise before i go ahead?

[Nature Boy]

MDMA is a pretty easy drug to handle. As long as you're careful with the dose and are in good company, there shouldn't be any real problems. Don't dehydrate yourself or over-drink and make sure to eat well and have plenty of vitamins the next day. Enjoy!

[Fantasian]

thanks ill let you know how it goes

[xpr´k]

Originally Posted by nature_boy_liam

One can be very subtle using MDMA but you need to know what to expect first so achieving this subtlety the first time you do MDMA would require only taking a very small amount.

I reckon the best way to take MDMA is to either put it in a blank capsule and swallow it or wrap some in a cigarette paper and swallow it. Some say plugging it up your anus gets the best effects but that wouldn't be my sort of thing.

Even when you know what to expect i'm pretty sure XTC is about the hardest drug to hide. Even your face starts to look different , especially if your a bit overweight. You'll have kingsize pupils and i'm not even gonna start on how weird you start to act to someones that sober.
Maybe if a very low dose is used it could be hidden but that would just be a waste of MDMA imo.

[pumped3.16]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

thanks ill let you know how it goes

ill have to disagree with everyone here and say go for the pills ,imo they are alot weaker and easier to handle,swim remembers his first time on mdma crystals,he took 2 lines and couldnt handle it and made a fool of himself by hurting somebody and getting thrown out of the club.since its your first time i would reccomend going to a house party and being around friends,because if you are out in a club/public and on mdma you will be in an emotional state and all it takes is for one prick to say or do something stupid to ruin your night.i also dont agree with the idea of fasting for a few hours before you go at it.i infact used to do the opposite and load up on food and water that day before i went out and still had a great roll,the last thing you want is to fade away if your going to use regularly.but its up to you.let us know how you get on.

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[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by pumped3.16

ill have to disagree with everyone here and say go for the pills ,imo they are alot weaker and easier to handle,swim remembers his first time on mdma crystals,he took 2 lines and couldnt handle it and made a fool of himself by hurting somebody and getting thrown out of the club.since its your first time i would reccomend going to a house party and being around friends,because if you are out in a club/public and on mdma you will be in an emotional state and all it takes is for one prick to say or do something stupid to ruin your night.i also dont agree with the idea of fasting for a few hours before you go at it.i infact used to do the opposite and load up on food and water that day before i went out and still had a great roll,the last thing you want is to fade away if your going to use regularly.but its up to you.let us know how you get on.

MDMA in its pure form is strong but it is much, much safer and cleaner than XTC pills. Advising someone to do unpredictable dirty pills over good reliable MDMA is just plain wrong IMO.

[Abrad]

Crystals can be be weighed to whatever dose you want while you have no idea what dosage of MDMA (if any) the pills contain. Definetely go with crystals.

[pumped3.16]

Originally Posted by nature_boy_liam

MDMA in its pure form is strong but it is much, much safer and cleaner than XTC pills. Advising someone to do unpredictable dirty pills over good reliable MDMA is just plain wrong IMO.

imo he has alot more of a chance of doing something stupid or dangerous when on the pure stuff than he does with the yokes.therefore how can you say its safer than pills.swim has been on both and seen people on both many times and if you ask anyone who really has experiance they will tell you start off on the pills which are lighter.he shouldnt even get much of a comedown after his first roll.

[Nagognog2]

By your own admission - you didn't bother to weigh the crystal you did. You just snorted 2 lines. No wonder you'd trust pills: At least someone probably weighed the chemicals that went into them!

Weigh the crystal and you'll be just fine. Far better than on some unknown pill cut with meth and cough syrup!

[oldman]

go with the pure stuff. like nag says weigh it out. I mentioned a dosage level above. as for the party with anti's -- you could pull it off at a lower levels, no more than 100mgs. but doesn't seem like a lot of fun to me though. the good thing about e is being all loved up around friends and feeling good about it. not putting all that energy into acting normal. go somewhere where everyone is cool with it, and maybe rolling too. stuff's just too special.

i don't kwo what pumped is talking about with the eating before. it is a good idea to eat well for the day before and earlier the day of, but not for 3 hours prior if poss. if you have to eat, just eat fruits are light veggies, they only stay in the stomach for short periods on their own. eat a steak or worse a potato and bread before and they'll eat your roll for you. I also don't get the violent streak he's going on about with mdma. never had that happen or seen it. most people would just hug you to death probably. maybe snorting is different. Swim's never found that route to really be better. I'm sure someone will disagree here since a lot of guys love the idea of snorting anything they can get up there. really the most successful alternate route from what I've read is rectal. has never been real convenient to do so can't tell you first hand. oral on a empty stomach should be fine.

[Nagognog2]

Standard dosage of pure MDMA taken on an empty stomach (4 hours or longer without eating!) is 120mg. If the effects are enjoyable and one wishes to prolong the effects - another 40mg taken at the 1 hour to 90 minute mark. This will work for anyone except an elephantine blob. An amount of +-200mg taken as a single dose may well cause anxiety, so never take that much.

120mg + 40mg at 60 - 90 minutes.

[Fantasian]

thanks ofr the advise SWIM is just making sure SWIM knows everything before SWIM goes ahead. SWIM has the mdma now and is just making sure he is as ready as he can be.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by pumped3.16

imo he has alot more of a chance of doing something stupid or dangerous when on the pure stuff than he does with the yokes.therefore how can you say its safer than pills.swim has been on both and seen people on both many times and if you ask anyone who really has experiance they will tell you start off on the pills which are lighter.he shouldnt even get much of a comedown after his first roll.

That's because people tend to underestimate MDMA. A gram of MDMA will look a lot less than a gram of say, cocaine. Therefore, some people rip into it thinking they've only taken a small amount when they've actually taken more than they need. As long as everything is weighed and measured accurately, MDMA is WAY better.

If you ask me, the roll on MDMA is much smoother and more enjoyable than pills as long as the dosage is moderated. The rolls off most pills are wilder and more unpredictable in a negative sense because you can't ease yourself into a threshold roll because you must take at least half a pill which has more MDMA in it (and unwanted crap) than say, a very small experimental amount of MDMA.

[Yeahsme]

Everybody is assuming everything. Swyn has no idea ho much MDMA swyn has.....his powder could be 100%, 80, 50, 0. The pills are the same way, he has no idea how much he has. Unless of course he knew the process for making MDMA, watched it being made, and then watched them measure and pour the powder into the bag. And so forth.

[Nature Boy]

Generally pure MDMA is easy to spot. It comes in small white/grey to light brown crystals and is rarely tampered with because it's expensive and considered good product much like good bud is rarely fucked with. SWIFantasian says his source is a reliable friend and good MDMA is becoming widely available in the UK these days.

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[raven3davis]

Okay some dog was barking and was saying that it really depends what SWIM gets in his pills. SWIM could get pills with pure MDMA and it will essentially be the same thing as taking "molly," just in the form of a pill. Pills might take a bit longer to kick in though which might be one small difference.

The downside to pills is that they are much more likely to be adulterated with one of many things. The most common adulterants are speed (methamphetamine and amphetamine), caffiene, MDA(which is preferred by some), pseudoephedrine, and sometimes even RCs or random ass over the counter drugs. So the bottom line is that tabs are way more sketchy and you are much more likely to get something that is MDMA +Some other crap, or some other crap with no MDMA at all.

Even if you do get a pure tab it might not even be enough for a strong dose. like Nano said a good dose would be around 120mg on an empty stomach. Some XTC tabs only have 50-90mg. Some tabs have been tested for 120mg + even up to 200+mg.

Most prefer molly because it is less likely to be adulterated than an XTC tab. The dose is much more consistent because SWIM can just weigh it out. Tabs are just sketchy sometimes but rarely are they ever down right dangerous. Sure some have been reported to have PMA, but that is VERY rare. Thats the thing though, would you want to be the one unlucky mother fucker who got a PMA tab and ODd?

Pills with speed can be a lot more intense. MDMA is a much more mellow high and much more controlable than some tabs. The comedown is going to be a lot smoother and you will probably feel ALOT better the next day. IF your mice could ever dig up mdma they should because its way better. It could still be cut with just about anything though. Some idiot could put any white crystalline powder in with the MDMA and the mice would not be able to tell. SWIM has heard of adulterated mdma powder but the chances are much less.

MDMA is a pretty safe drug if taken in moderation. Just taken vitamins, etc and dont dose too much. There is info on how to preload and post load with vitamins it does help, but pure MDMA really never has a horrible come down some kid said.

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[oldman]

couldn't agree more with above. nags dosage seems just right for a first timer, just make sure you feel alright before taking a supplement. maybe weight the 90mins just to be sure, don't wait until you're coming down to redose. swim says this doesn't work as well, you tend to need a higher ammount later which will contribute to a worse hangover the next day.
use TFSE to find out about vitamins and 5htp. better shape your in before you roll the easier you'll bounce back.

as for taking the powder, once measured you could capsule it (or weigh that way) or you could put it in a small tissue, wrap it and swallow (parachute) with water. some people put it in OJ, stir it up and down it. tastes bitter, but for some reason bittter taste can seem good if yo know what mdma tastes like (you're happy it tastes real).

keep drinking (alcohol) at a minimum, otherwise you'll probably have trouble noticing the roll and might miss out on some good insight. swim's awoken with some nasty headaches from mixing too much booze, made hangover that much more depressing.

raven's right though about pure mdma not having a bad comedown, stuff cut with meth, or (lots of caffeine) tend to be less fun coming down since just sleeping the end off is not as easy.