amphetamine with benzos

[Ho0k3d0nChRoNiC]

I have heard (read) that you get very tired on Clonazepam, and i was wondering if i took 4 mgs of Clonazepam since this is my first time, that if i insufflated 20-30 mgs of adderall along with it, that i might not get tired and not tempted to go to sleep?
Do you think this would work, orj ust be a waste of an add?

any help would be greatly appreciated as this is my first time with Clon.

Thanks

[Sitbcknchill]

Why would you take one that would counter act the other....Clonazepam is a drug that slows down the nervous system and adderall stimulates your CNS...

So in reality it would just be a waste and you should save one or the other for another day....of course it won't kill you if you do both but there is no point and the effects would not be what you are expecting....

[Ho0k3d0nChRoNiC]

i was just saying that since the clonazepam would make you kinda tired, the amphetamine in the add would keep you awake..but i guess your just saying that would be a waste anyways..

i guess ill just keep my add for another night

[jduba]

just the other day swim took my normal 30mg non time release add and 4 mg of clonazepam and felt great. had the euphoria from the add but the chill of the clon. swIm always thought they would cancel and have in the past but swim guesss he just got lucky!

[kemistudent]

clon is good when comming down from adderall. 60mg of add, then another 60mg a few hours later, then clon it up if it gets uncomfortable.

[Kemikaru_Tenshu]

I have taken the two (in my case xanax and adderall) together for a long time. I always found that the benzos simply smoothed out the rough edges of the adderall, yet didn't affect the positive aspects of them in the slightest. So don't be afraid of the two canceling each other as, contrary to what you would logically assume, this doesn't seem to happen.


~KT

[Sitbcknchill]

Hmm...might be a mix swims friend might have to try, swim usually saves his clon. for a methadone mix...he usually doesn't mix his uppers with downers, he doesn't really see the point.....

[Kemikaru_Tenshu]

I'd definitely recommend giving it a try. I've found that benzos [BIG disclaimer here: be VERY careful mixing drugs people, especially downers!] enhance not only opiates and opioids (even suboxone) but amphetamines and methcathinone as well. It was actually something I consciously avoided before, as I held the same opinion about mixing uppers and downers (other than heroin and meth, which held its own charm from time to time): it just didn't seem to make any sense. Recently I was prescribed benzos (clon and xanax) for an extended period of time, and happened to stumble upon the fact that they did NOT have the adverse effect I thought they would have on stimulants. Now I find that I actually prefer the combination, especially with the "harsher" stimulants such as adderall and mcat.


~KT

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM never reccomends mixing drugs, but his laboratory monkey is about to find out if 10 mg diazepam, 65 mg propoxyphene, both oral, will help mitigate the more unpleasant effects of 15 mg insufflated adderall. if this lab monkey makes it through the party he is attending alright, he will report back to SWIM, who will post if the combination was helpful.

oddly enough, the lab monkey seems to have built a tolerance over use spanning several days, so its difficult to determine what the interaction was. rough edges seem to have been smoothed off, although alertfulness and sociability did persist for a few hours. experiment should probably be repeated by higher doses for this individual, but again, wouldnt reccomend mixing these substances to anyone else.

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[primal440]

hey, i know for investigating that when taking amph. with a benzo the effects dont cancel each other but interact ad create a nice high. who has done this? i think the benzo would kill at least the edge of the speed. i want to make this combination because i sometimes get paranoid on speed, does anyone have word on this?

[xpr´k]

Well swim did last night, he snorted his last line of amphetamines at 23.20 orso which in retrospect isnt something he should have done concidering he had to goto work today .
He got home around 03.00h and immediatly crawled into bed soon realising sleep was not gonna come easy.
He had some Xanax(he only uses recreational every so often so no tolerance) so he decided to take 0.5mg
He was reluctant to up the dose because his intent was to actually make it to work, he's sure he could have just dropped 2mg and knock himself out but he had to get up at 6.45h.
At first swim felt that typical warm content feeling xanax gives him mix in with the dopamine euphoria. It didnt make him sleepy one bit though and after a while he noticed his heartrate increased and it felt like it was missing beats quite often making him feel slightly uncomfortable.
Swim couldnt help wonder if it was the xanax interacting with his speed.
On the other hand Swim hardly ever takes speed so it could just as well be a normal thing when your coming down from the stuff.
In case your wondering swim never managed to fall asleep.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by primal440

hey, i know for investigating that when taking amph. with a benzo the effects dont cancel each other but interact ad create a nice high. who has done this? i think the benzo would kill at least the edge of the speed. i want to make this combination because i sometimes get paranoid on speed, does anyone have word on this?

I know that benzos can be useful coming down from speed, when they can take the edge off your paranoia and help you sleep!

A long time back, there were pills called blues, a mixture of barbiturates and dexedrine. The barbiturates did take the nervousness off the speed, but you found yourself talking a lot of shit and the comedown was awful! They were a lot of fun though!

[pwdrfrk]

SWIM lhas gotten into the habit of taking a low dose of Valium (5-10mg) while on Adderall. Certainly took the edgy feeling off and might mitigate the positives, slighty as it does slow your system down/relax you but for SWIM its the difference between his leg bouncing up and down rapidly regardless of whatever music is playing while sitting and just grooving to the music if that makes any sense. Valium has produced weak euphoria in SWIM on its own so it can be a nice combo to round off the edges.

While coming down, SWIM highly recommends some sort of benzo. Valium has worked better than Xannies for SWIM. SWIM doesn't even really notice he's coming down and the depression is much less. Plus, V's help SWIM stay social without getting that angry, anti-social, depressed feeling as Adderall wears off.

If you're feeling blue, take the blue pill...valium.

[Forthesevenlakes]

benzos are great for the comedown, they ease the transition back into reality or sleep, whichever comes first. swim finds that 5-10 mg of diazepam with adderall takes the anxious edge off now, and works similarly in conjunction with other dopaminergic stimulants...e.g. cocaine and methylphenidate. the key is to shoot for the low dose of the benzo while on adderall, as pwdrfrk says, because the last things swiy wants is to have that "stumbling drunk" feeling while talking incessantly. seems like it would be quite unpleasant.

[trial-x]

SWIM is prescribed adderall 15mg 2x/day, and xanax .5mg 3x/day. SWIM knows they don't cancel each other out when taken correctly, but that never happens. The benzos do help SWIM with the added anxiety and with coming down.

[jduba]

swim also has found that if the two are taken at the same time that there seemes to be a cancellation but if taken maybe adderall at 00:00 and at 01:00 or 02:00 then the effects are felt then boost an hour later with adderall. seems to make for a up and down roller coaster ride and a good day. any idea why if taken at once they may cancel? any others that have the same effect?

[lurkerbot]

SWIM is prescribed 60mg Adderall XR and 15mg Tranxene a day. SWIM does not notice any sort of cancellation, however generally seems to feel somewhat better composed, at least in terms of human interaction, when taking the Tranxene.

SWIM has never taken Xanax though, only Klonopin, Ativan, and Tranxene.

[Psych0naut]

SWIMs favourite combo's are stimulants with depressants.For example, GHB with XTC,speed.
Swim prefers GHB because it makes him more social than with benzo's, but the down side is that GHB works relatively short, so you have to redose.
The stimulants give you the energy to keep going, and the downers take the edge of and make you more relaxed and give some euforia.

[Nahbus]

Yeah, SWIM never leaves home without his (perscribed) Diazepam. He always takes it when coming down, or if the ride gets too edgy for him. Definately smooths things out and brings him down very calmly.

[Nicaine]

To revive the thread... SWIM has gotten into some pretty sh*tty mental and physical states while on stimulants, and it seems this happens most often when he takes benzos during the high. He's not sure why, but he can get to feeling fearful, negative, depressed, and physically weak/exhausted with serious back, neck and other muscle pains on the combination. In other words, feeling "stuck" in a state he can't get out of until the stimulant wears off.

Note that SWIM reacts somewhat atypically to benzos, whether he's high on something else or not. Also note that cocaine + benzos doesn't seem to cause him problems, but longer acting stims like amphetamines, propylhexedrine and others do. Maybe there's some liver enzyme issue or something... SWIM doesn't know.

Now benzos *after* coming down, that can be nice... SWIM will usually take Ambien though if he has it, greatly preferential to him over benzos (even if he's just trying to relax rather than sleep). But he reacts somewhat idiosyncratically to Ambien as well.

[primal440]

After acquiring some further experience combining these two SWIM has to say that for him, mixing 60 mgs of amphetamine sulphate, letting the rush unfold for 2 hours or more (until user is feeling umconfortable), then popping 10 mgs of Diazepam or 2 of Lorazepam makes the high much more enjoyable than taking amphetamine alone. This is because SWIM's body gets much more tense wth the stimulant (muscle aches) and he has a somewhat bizarre reaction to amphetamines and stimulants in general (caffeine is even worse, methylphenidate sometimes, coke sometimes), they're just not so enjoyable and now he only uses for productivity purposes (and very little even then he might say). It must be noted tho' that he when a kid was diagnosed with ADHD and then ADD and at a tender age was given ritalin and pharmaceutical methamphetamine. He sometimes gets those so-called paradox effects, cathatonic and speechless, like if his mind was gone over his head or perhaps below, anyways his mind is a race-track when sober and prefers sedation to hyper-stimulation. After some experience, somehow his body has accomodated to amphetamines and he now enjoys them more than when he started without prescription, except that he doesnt get the same rushes he got from his first times but he's gained the mind and body knowledge to ride it at will.

Anyways, back on topic, when mixing Diazepam and Amphetamine SWIM can really enjoy the positive effects of amphetamine and not get overly-uber-consciously paranoid and turned inwards and holds the energy of the amphetamine but can control it, he can sit still and chill with no problems or go and carry an activity without any restraining tension. This combination makes the ideal amphetamine high for SWIM and its actually closer to what he expected from it to begin with. The euphoria is also much more marked as well as other positives enhanced.

60 mgs might feel too much sometimes, for SWIM 30-40 mgs is much more appropiate and even more enjoyable, he usually enjoys this more than the 60 mgs (depending on circumstances of course). In this case he takes between 5 or 10 mgs of Diazepam (or 1-2 of Lorazepam).

[primal440]

Sorry but I forgot to add to the add to the original question: He was asking about taking adderall after clonazepam to not get so exhausted and sleepy, in other words to take aderrall in function to clonazepam and not the other way around- I have yet to see another member asking this question as benzos are generally relegated to the come-down, I will obviously come forward as pro-benzo but I think that from SWIMs experience he would also rather add amphetamine to the benzos than the other way around, just a little to not get so "down", this seems more ideal to SWIM's mentality and body than the inverse. They both enhance each other but SWIM would rather give more power to the benzo than to the amph (70%-30% maybe, in subjective "powerness"). SWIM is not like SWINicaine, a dopamine tweaker, he'd rather tweak his serotonin and GABA, more effective and enjoyable to SWIM. SWIM's 2 cents.

[Nicaine]

SWIM is burning out on dopamine tweakage lately... seems like every time he does an upper, he's wanting to come back down within 60 minutes or less. There's only one substance that really offers that (coke), and SWIM has sworn off the stuff... so maybe he's almost done with his tweaking phase. It really does wear on the body & mind and get tiresome after awhile, and one begins to long for some inner peace.

Anyway, more on topic... SWIM does still use benzos to take the edge off uppers, but he doesn't like the combo as much as he used to (probably because he starts wanting to come all the way down & sleep when the benzo kicks in, which is usually impossible).

[AchaeaPerson]

SWIA definitely thinks benzos have some uses when combined with amphetamines: For the come-down from the amps, one of the benzos that're particularly known for their sedating qualities, like Temazepam or Klonopin, or something like 10-15mg of Ambien CR could be used to get to sleep without too many negative after-effects associated with the amp crash. Also, a more euphoric benzo like Xanax or Valium could be used during the amphetamine 'come-up' to provide a warmer, more euphoric high; but it's very possible that the 'speediness' and energetic rush could be diminished. Lastly, the health risks of mixing an upper and downer really can't be denied, one would imagine that it would wreak some serious havoc on your CNS; but if used in responsible doses, SWIA doesn't think the danger would be that great... But SWIA is no doctor.

[~lostgurl~]

SWIM finds combining methamphetamine and Clonazepam/Klonapin to be a nice mix, takes the edge off the amphetamine but only if the dose of amphetamine is enough to sustain it. Like Sit said, it can cancel it out, this seems to happen when SWIM was not tweaking enough to begin with.

On a side note, SWIM read somewhere that benzos are used in the ER (IV) in cases of amphetamine overdose, which means it must cancel it out, at least to a point.