Research Chemicals and in(t(nn)erpersonal teachings

[Silence_Inc]

dunno if interpersonal is the right word but i think it's used frequently in this way - so excuse me if the spelling or choice of word is bad.

anyway, i read alot on the rc's, though never used any of them, yet. but i wanted to know from the veteran's how you would classify on a teaching scale and why you do it like that. Offcourse all teaching circles arround the same deep kind of insights mainly - but offcourse it's not always the same. and diffrent drugs do focus on other stuff alot of times.

i saw someone nameing 2c-e as ''the teacher''. and read that 2c-i is a more easy psychedelic. DMT swooshes your ego arround and can give deep meaning.

so what do you people think about this aspect of RC's, how would you classify them, and whu do you feel that way about it.

(swim is about to do 2c-b in a short while, hope this one has some good aspects too, except some nice collors and a buzz)

[Solidly-here]

Silence says: "[I] dunno if interpersonal is the right word." The right word for what? You don't use the word again in your Post.

"i wanted to know from the veteran's how you would classify on a teaching scale and why you do it like that." Classify what on a teaching scale? And, what IS a teaching scale?

"Of course, all teaching circles around the same deep kind of insights mainly." Is this what you are trying to say?: Spiritual learning mainly comes from the same deep kinds of insights. Well, if so, I don't agree with that. Most learning comes from little insights. Most people don't even have (very many) deep insights in their life.

"different drugs do focus on other stuff a lot of times." Do you mean: Certain RCs make the brain think of different things? If so, I disagree. Different RCs will make different sensual effects, but my brain works the way it works.

"i saw someone naming 2c-e as ''the teacher''. and read that 2c-i is a more easy psychedelic. DMT swooshes your ego arround and can give deep meaning." These "Titles" are garbage. Most RCs have the same powerful potential. 2C-E (and 2C-I, and DMT, and AMT, and ..., and ...) have the potential to "swoosh your ego around."

[Silence_Inc]

goddamn boy ... ... YOU are like the teacher here ... did i pass my english test?

okay, yes - what rc's have potential to openup hidden insights or however i should express it.

anyway - for the stuff id did i can tell how they affect me. everything evovles arround the ego offcourse - the way we percieve things to be or not. but acid shows how tricky the ego is - how fast illisions are created - plus acid is like putting on glasses, no help from noone. it has got no personality, you create it all ... mushrooms show me on a more deep meaning, a personal level, they talk to me - and salvia REALLY talks to you - ayahuasca pushes you with your face in your ow shit pile and if you don't accept what you see, you'll stay there - mdma just opens your heart, and shows love ... so - yeah, it all evolves arround the ego - and yeah, it's your brain working - but everything works diffrently. so i don't think this was stupid question.

i understand that those titles might be garbage, but it just seemed like for others it has meaning - so they don't see it as garbage.

you don't use Xanax for getting close to your partner, you take xtc for that. you don't take heroin for some psychotherapy - you use ibogain.

so what are the qualities of diffrent rc's for 'learning soemthing about yourself' ... and maybe there is no real answer, but i just don't know cause i havn't done any RC yet.

[Solidly-here]

I think you were a little hard on me.

I was simply re-phrasing pieces of your Post, and then responding to that. Calling me an English teacher (and swearing at me) were un-needed.

I do not care that you can't spell (or use great grammar). I look for the REAL content of each Post, and I respond sincerely to that. If you thought I was putting you down, that was not my intention.

[Silence_Inc]

don't take it so hard wasn't meant that way either, just for fun, seemed like i didn't make sense to you much ... tnx for the reply, i appreciate your answer.

[Nagognog2]

Now shake hands and play nice. Thank you.

[napoleon in rags]

2c-I got a monkey off SWIM's back that was driving him nuts for ages. He was consistently bothered and worried for his mother, who was struck unexpectedly with breast cancer in November, 2004. 2c-I helped swim realize that the most important thing he can do for his mother is give her the kind of deep, emotional support that only a loving family can provide. SWIM was finally able to convince himself that the doctors were going to do everything that they possibly could for her, and that it's in the hands of god now. They experience really gave SWIM the boost he needed to pull himself out of the rut he was in. He became happier and more fulfilled with his position and his place, and SWIM believes with every ounce of blood in his body that if it weren't for this perspective and attitude-changing event, his mother may not have been able to recover as quickly as she did.

[Silence_Inc]

tnx napoleon in rags. nice input on the question. i'm happy for SWIY these wonderfull substances gave him what they are ment to provide.

[snapper]

SWIM has always noticed that insights came when THEY wanted to, not with any planning or a particular substance. Even a high dose 2-CI, DPT, 5MeoDMT sandwich did not reveal anything special, though SWIM became an eraser slowly cleaning a giant chalkboard representing SWIMs mind, after which SWIM dissolved into countless tiny particles and then felt like being propelled at high velocity through emptiness, only to finally reincorporate later when things started to wear off. Really scary, but no insights. (5meoDMT has a way of making the body feel like it is being torn apart !)

Another time, SWIM ate a modest recreational dose of 5MEODIPT and had some of the most significant insights of SWIMs life. They seemed to come offhandedly, but mattered a whole lot at the time and helped SWIM greatly.
SWIM remembers in the deep dark past as a youngster eating LSD and having every fault and imperfection magnified and put on display with big spotlights on them. This is what SWIM thinks psychedelics generally teach everyone first, and LSD has a particularly sadistic and effective way of doing this, though others can do it too.. SWIM feels that the emotional ass kicking LSD gave SWIM helped SWIM greatly to mature and gain self confidence at that time. This sort of hellish introspection has little effect on SWIM anymore, because SWIM is older now and has reconciled with SWIMs demons, though sometimes various 'teachers' may remind SWIM of their continued existence.

Snapper

And to answer your question, 2CI would be a good first choice at a reasonable dose for someone seeking a strong psychedelic experience with potential for quality introspection; note however that SWIM would never recommend taking any of these satanic poisons being pedaled on the net to anyone - you might grow some hair on your palms, or maybe God will kill a kitten in retribution - either way, dire consequences await !!