passing out on GBL

[Lehendakari]

Well, as is impossible for SWIM to get the ingredients he is going to try gbl without conversion. However he has these question:

Is passing out that common while using it? I read reports of experienced daily users who claim that they passed out several times even with the same usual dose.

Will people around you notice something weird in you while high (not very high)? I mean, it is something you can take and feel great but others (even work mates) don't see u intoxicated or acting weird.

Thank you and apologies for SWIM mistakes in past posts.

[Senor Gribson]

it all depends on the dose, find the right dose and you're good. be careful though, with gbl you take one drop too many and you're stumbling around like a drunk or worse puking ur guts out. personally i would not recommend that swim take gbl at work, better to go with ghb its 'cleaner' and slightly easier to dose.

[Tony Blair]

Yeah, too little and you dont feel it, too much and you projectile vomit / snore loudly.

Its quite a narrow window to hit with GBL, as well.

The other thing is -- part of being sensible is knowing when you take drukqs and when not to. Taking them at work is clearly the wrong time.

[Lehendakari]

Thanx for the reply, I guess SWIM will try harder to find NaOH and make some GHB, just to be safe.

It's sad that it can't be used at work cause SWIM was hoping it could be a treatment for his horrible social anxiety as nothing else seems to work.

He'll keep searching

[Antidote]

I definitely agree with MegaLev on this one; work is not a good environment to be ingesting GBL, especially considering how unpredictable it is. I know from my own experience that you can fall unconscious without any warning, only realizing what happened when you wake up. While it probably would help with social anxiety, its definitely a risky venture.

I only comfortably enjoy GHB or GBL in a setting where I can fall asleep and not be worried... so pretty much just at home.

Good luck in your search for NaOH and a treatment ^_^

[Lehendakari]

Antidote did you overdose the times you fell uncouncius?

I mean, there has to be a safe dose which you can be sure you're not gonna pass out right?

[psyki]

Originally Posted by Zamu69

Antidote did you overdose the times you fell uncouncius?

I mean, there has to be a safe dose which you can be sure you're not gonna pass out right?

There kind of is. You can almost always take the right amount for your first dose, the larger problem is in redosing, where you feel like it's worn off quite a bit so you take a little bit too much and poof, you're out. It's not hard to get the hang of it, SWIM rarely passes out anymore, and most of the time it's when he's been dosing for a few hours.

[MushiMushi]

SWIM has been using glb for 1 week now and has done ghb before.
SWIM takes about 20 ml glb a day and drinks alot of beer with it.
SWIM also passed out several times waking up with a bleeding tongue between hes teeth this never hapened at work though cuz SWIM takes small doses and dont drink any alcohol at work.
SWIM wouldnt recomend taking it at work, SWIM also suffers from social anxiety and takes gbl at work but wouldnt recoment it because its so addictive.
SWIM recomends you to see your doctor first there are pills for that and even without pills you can "train" yourself SWIM knows this cuz SWIM has been in a psychiatric hospital for 8 months.
if you wanna talk about your social anxiety pm me your msn SWIM knows from experience it helps to talk with someone who also suffers from this disease.

[MushiMushi]

i meant gbl

[Lehendakari]

Thanks Mushi Mushi its good hearing from someone with the same problem.

Swim knows he has a very addictive personality. Swim is addicted almost to everything sex, food, tv, music, sleep and of course drugs. Swim is lucky he never had access to harder drugs.

He has a small bottle of gbl 2 weeks and he doesn't try it cause he's scared to death. He did 1,5 ml 2 weeks ago, but felt dissapointed. He doesn't wanna do more because 1. He's never passed out and doesn't want to know how it's like 2. He doesn't wanna find it so damn good as it's claim to be cause he would get addicted for sure

Swim would love to talk to some swim with same problems. Thanks again.

Sorry I'm not English, what is "pm"?

[MushiMushi]

i just send you a pm with my msn adres its under user cp - private messages

[Senor Gribson]

Originally Posted by Zamu69

He doesn't wanna find it so damn good as it's claim to be cause he would get addicted for sure

imo the only real reason for addiction is that this stuff is so damn CHEAP! it's hard to dose it tastes like asswater and you arent completely oblivious to feeling sick if youve had too much (unlike booze where you dont know you feel sick until you puke, then you completely forget about it again afterwards). not to mention the high itself isnt nearly as good as a nice alcohol buzz either.
this stuff is a nice cheap high but isnt nearly as great as its made out to be, personally i cant see how people get addicted to it

[unico_walker]

Originally Posted by Senor Gribson

not to mention the high itself isnt nearly as good as a nice alcohol buzz either.
this stuff is a nice cheap high but isnt nearly as great as its made out to be, personally i cant see how people get addicted to it

BLASPHEMY! GHB is ten times as euphoric as alcohol, and also different. GHB has never made a person a violent asshole that SWIM has ever seen, it makes you more accepting and social.

People get addicted to GBL because of the terrible dopamine rebound/blood acidity WHATEVER. SWIM is not convinced its due to dopamine, but there is a very real effect that causes up to ten days of sleepless nights, anxiety, blood pressure through the roof, delirious withdrawal. Just look on erowid.

With fully reacted GHB as long as you limit yourself to 2-3 weekly doses of under 3 grams you will not have sleep difficulty, in addition and this is only SWIM but the euphoria of GHB has a limit. You feel satiated, if SWIM is in a depressed funk a little GHB pulls SWIM out fast and feels great, If SWIMs on top of the world when SWIM doses it doesn't feel very euphoric and feels dissapointing.

GHB is not as intoxicating, but also not as addictive as GBL.

SWIM would reccomend Zamu69 do a google search for "phenibut" a nutritional supplement that also helps with social anxiety but is not intoxicating or addictive. It works as SWIM and many others can confirm, it is not one of the many placebos out there.

[MushiMushi]

tnx unico im gonna try that phenibut i ordered it right away after reading some about it and looks like a great product.
SWIM is gonna quit using gbl hes been using it for 5 days and already addicted.
SWIM can barely sleep i think he slept 9 hours in 5 days total and never longer then 1 hour.
SWIM also is shaking like hell and is verry nervous he looks like shit, one eye is closed more then the other from not having enouf sleep.
SWIM told me to stay away from it and defenitly dont do drugs when you have psychological problems it can make things so much worse.

[Lehendakari]

Thanks for the tip unico walker.

In fact, I've done a lot of research on phenibut a while ago, as well as on sceletium, kava, sjw, rhodiola, picamilon etc. All these supplements had little effect in me. I never tried phenibut itself but found many reports of using. Some claim its great, some claim it's shit, but they all agree that tolerance develops very quick, and the effect of first times is not achieved later even with long break periods.

However, I found picamilon (a related compound) to be helping, so maybe phenibut is a good idea.

I guess swim will keep ghb and use it in party-social events and will give phenibut a try pretty soon.

PD Mushi your msn doesn't seem right. Check it out or add my account

[thadj]

Passing out is certainly a risk. Keep enough time between dosing and keep in mind that doses can accumulate. Do not combine with alcohol! Everyone thinks they can combine it in low doses but everyone had a bad experience with it sooner or later..

Have fun,

thadj

[SWIH]

swims found gbl to be quite rewarding once he managed to find his ideal dosing level. nice mellow buzz, no comedown whatsoever, dirt cheap and 100% legal too. FFS what more could you ask from it, it's got everything bar the unexpected blow job! fair enough it tastes pretty rank, but swim says he'd use it to wash away the taste of MDMA crystals any day....

[SWIH]

oh yeh and if SWIyou don't wanna get addicted just dont do it every bloody night... same with any other chemical surely?

[psilocybin]

the point about redosing is very true. with very little experiance first dosage becomes easy, but altho swim is an experianced user he still gets very drowsy on redosing. i really dont think addicted is the right word, dependant yes. it all stems from the dopmine rebound. i think one thing users of gbl/ghb have in common is anxiety and/or addictive personality. although it does wonders for anxiety and keeps swim from drinkin too much it isnt a long term solution. the main issue is sleeping difficulties. it used to garentee 4 hours sleep but now it can be anywhere between 1 and 3 for swim. this poses very real problems for keeping structure to your day, which swim feels is very important for people with anxiety. swim keeps intending to do conversion as feels this may be beneficial.

how many swiys have experiance with phenibut? is it worth it? if so is it prescribed ever?