anyone ever got into legal troubles from ordering Research Chemicals over the net?

[Emperiorjack]

Just wondering how safe this is

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good topic

[Pinkavvy]

Yes, people have. Especially with GHB and it's analogs. In the U.S. there were many providers that got busted. As far as end users getting popped for uncontrolled substances being ordered? Not much, it's mostly safe, for now.

[Abrad]

Someone that lives near me had his door kicked in one morning for ordering 2-ci. But it is illegal here.

[fatal]

SWIM had a drug raid conducted at his house replete with DEA, state/county drug/gang task force, local police, state police etc. they did not have any information regarding any of swim's chemicals. Clearly law enforcement is not up to snuff on some of these cases and it is actually fairly safe. However in regards to ghb/gbl/14b i have heard many things about people being raided for possessing/manufacturing/importing all three, so those stand as a possibly poor decision if you were to attempt to acquire some (at least in the US). i would say though the best ways probably to avoid trouble would be to use any information but your own to make orders with and ship. that is usually a fairly good step towards being discreet.

[Nagognog2]

Regards GBL et al: Forget It! In the USA you are begging for trouble at present. Not only will this genre of substances get one high - they might even be used for SEX! And if there is one thing our fund-a-mental Kristian regime hates more than an altered state of consciousness - it's SEX!

Don't even think about it.

[prospero]

People have definitely been busted in the UK and Ireland for ordering RC's (eg 2C-I) off the net.

[nostawk]

a little off topic but iits a funny story.
swim lives in very conservative city and mailman brought a new package from japan one day while cop car happened to be parked down the street. So mailman says you've gotten a lot of packages from strange places lately. swim says yeah I think the cops are spying on me. Swim and mailman laugh. swim standing there looking through roomates mail sees cop come from the side of a neighbors house. mailman makes his way down street and talks to cop. Cop walks over to swim who still has his present from japan in his hands. Cop asks if he knows the people who live two houses down. swim says no, why? Cop says oh, he has a warrant for his arrest. swim says damn, I guess that happens when you break the law. swim laughs,cop says yep, have anice day and leaves.

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	Funny tale
	HAHA great story. Dramatic/ironic ending too. I loved it.

[tokingchicken]

Does anyone know any swims that have been busted through analogue act with uncontrolled substance ordered and shipped very discreetly. In usa of course.
Im talkin about chemicals such as 2c-i, 2c-e, 2c-t-2..

[gitst0opid]

I'm pretty sure the only way they can charge you for it is if they can "prove" you planned to use it for human consumption. With a good enough laywer they can get you off quite easily. I would recommend not measuring out doses and putting them in pills.

[rocco_blitz]

Sorry off the subject of r/c mail ordering,but swim had a friend that was ordering lortabs through the mail by c.o.d. in the USA, he was receiveig alot of these meds through ups and swims friend new the driver,good thing cause in one week dude received over 500+ tabs.Swims freind told him that the driver for ups told him on the next shipment they was going to ask him to come to the ups depot.Now swims freind didnt do that: and if he would have he then would have been greeted by the feds,but later in the week swims freind got knock on the door and yep was the feds with a search warrant.They did not find anything as swims friend got lucky and destroyed all the receipts from the mail orders,and the bottles and since then as far as swim knows internet ordering for Lortab has been shut down, just thought let yas no....

[illuminati boy]

From following the events surrounding those DOC abreactions in Michigan, it is possible that at least one of the persons involved will be charged under the US Analog Act. I will try to keep people posted on this. At to the topic generally, one is not aware of US or Canadian prosecutions for ordering uncontrolled compounds (that are not precursors) as of this writing (though that does not mean there haven’t been any). I would guess that until a compound is explicitly controlled, it will largely be a non-issue unless they think you might be manufacturing or distributing something… that does not necessarily mean that ordering such things is legal (especially in the US), but only that the cost benefit balance for such an investigation and prosecution is not favorable enough at this time.

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[tokingchicken]

Im glad to hear you guys say that. It does make sense that people buying prescription pills are more at risk, as well as those that buy a large amount.
....so there probably wont be any problems. Thanks for easin the tension lol

[mick mouse]

SWIM has recently had the same concerns as the original poster, having had the same "knock at the door" experience as related above. Although the experience ultimately was found in SWIMs favor (beat them hands down!), it resulted in a career change decision for SWIM and he has decided to research other changes to the phenethylamine structure with an eye towards inner contemplation, rather than marketing. With this in mind, just exactly how safe (think trustworthy!) are some of the easier to find sites offering such products for research. I would hate to think that I gave my money to someone and all I got in return was a large sign that reads "sucker"!, but I guess you pays yo money and you takes yo choice. If legal concerns are your overwhelming fear, the above mentioned sites usually offer a sub-gram deal and a gram deal, SWIM would think that smaller quantities would present less of a risk that larger ones, but not having as yet ordered, he coulden't say for sure

[rxbandit]

swim recently had a chemist send him "2-bromothiazol-5-carboxylic aicd" an anti cancer chemical. swim doubts most providers are as descrete with their anti cancer research chemicals though

[blue_eyes]

swim has regularly bought piperazine pills over the internet, I thought it was worth a mention because they are under the reasearch chemicals catagory.

I think swim has had them delivered about 8 or 10 times since December 2005, ranging in quantites that are enough for 2 people once, up to enough for 4 people on 3 occassions (equivalent of 12 doses). She hasn't had any problems with customs or the law over her deliveries.

She also uses her credit card to pay, and gives her home address as delivery. So, if they wanted to catch swim, it would NOT be hard. If swim was questioned, she would plead ignorance. I don't know if it would be much of a case, but she thinks, considering she has no association with drugs as far as the law is concerned, she would probably be ok.

Anyway, swim has decided she has had enough of piperazine pills. The comedown is just TOO hard to handle! So, she won't be ordering anymore anyway!

[trip.more]

Swim- don't think swiy is responsible for what others send to your PO box or house.They would have to prove you asked them to send it and then they would have to prove you were going to ingest it.

[rxbandit]

indeed trip.more but a quick computer scan and phonetap, possibly a search could more then likely prove their point, but swim doubts that trouble would be taking considering these chemicals mostly arent scheduled and the penaltys are less severe since mandatory minimums dont apply.

[Aussie_Guy]

SWIM who is from Australia has had many problems importing into Australia, SWIM recently got busted for trying to import steroids. SWIM got off with a warning, it seems customs in Australia is very strict and very efficient.

The SWIM who I know has had nothing but problems trying to import various things into Australia. SWIM has given up trying to import anything at all into Australia.

[fastandbulbous]

Well I spent a grim December day in a police station a year and a half ago through ordering 2C-I. I was one of several people who were visited in the course of Operation Ismene in the UK, which was as a direct consequence of Op WebTryp in the US.

Although I eventually just ended up getting a caution, it could have been much worse; some of the other people caught up in Op Ismene lost their jobs etc when it came to light that they'd been arrested for importing Class A controlled drugs (which is what ordering quite a few of the RCs from firms outside the UK effectively boils down to).

Not pleasant at all and something I'd rather not repeat

[Each Hit]

swim has made about 5 online purchases of rcs with no trouble other than having to sign for an odd looking package/envelope with foreign writing on it. postal workers never asked any questions or showed any suspicion. in fact, swim just picked up his most recent order today after failing to wake up to the sound of the mailman knocking on his door.

swim would advise you to provide as little personal info as possible and to order a moderate amount. too much might raise suspicion, whereas too little would result in more frequent ordering (which could also raise suspicion). it also helps if you have a trusted source who you can count on to provide the proper substance in the proper quantities for a good price. swim does not have such a good supplier (quantities are not so accurate and twice a substance has appeared different from usual).

best wishes on your research. i would advise extreme caution if any such chemicals are indeed ordered. they can yield some amazing lab results, but they could also blow up the experimenter (in a figurative way).

[radiometer]

swim does not have such a good supplier (quantities are not so accurate and twice a substance has appeared different from usual).

I thought this statement should be highlighted for any newbies reading this thread.

[ponygirl]

Ok...so the basics here would be...(not that I or any of us order anything for human consumption)

1. Have a trusted supplier. This begs the question, what makes a bad supplier? I'm not asking anyone to break the rules and give specifics but what do you look out for? Too many popups? Certain states? Blue letter? Anything?

2. Little personal information. This is obvious when ordering anything on the internet. Vauge! Whee! Would anyone use a postal box? Not one at a Post Office, but perhaps one at a private company?

3. Check the legalities of anything you order. Would searching the forums here be the best source? Are there any trusted websites that would be ok to give? (If that breaks some rule...I'm sorry and don't answer me)

4. Encrypt your computer. Linux is the best, so I hear.

Does that about cover it? This is...of course...for research only

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good questions!

[nanobrain]

^um, look, if you warranted enough care, you'd be busted faster than i could send you a warning in smoke signals. whatever safety measures you may implement stand not a chance.

[Each Hit]

good point. just don't go around the block trying to sell stuff. if swiy is planning on doing some research, check erowid and find which substance(s) swiy think swiy would feel most comfortable with buying and using. swiy should initially dose low to ensure there are no adverse reactions to the substance. if substance is going to be used by others, swiy should be very VERY sure that these others know what they are taking, have researched its mental and physical effects, and have done a low dose test (or two or three) before a full-on experience. any person swiy administers a substance to is effectively putting their life and sanity in swiy's hands, so it would be wise of swiy to make sure they are aware of any adverse effects beforehand and to dose them accurately and at safe levels.

sorry to ramble, but even the most cautious researcher can have a bad experience, which is why it is very important that ANYBODY planning to take such substances should be well aware of the gathered data on said substances (and should also be aware that there is a great deal about them that is unknown).

as for legal issues, it is most often the supplier that is targeted (unless the buyer is dumb enough to try to buy a specifically illegal substance). in the end, the real concern should be the safe use of the substance itself, not with law enforcement...

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Good advice

[nanobrain]

^good point, sheesh, nothing scares me more than hearing some semi-experinced researcher proclaim: "i want to give a friend 4 or 6 mg DOx, cause i've known him for awhile, and even though he's never done any, i know exactly what he's going too feel like" ...