AMT (alpha-methyltryptamine)

[senorsalvia]

5 or so years ago, when AMT was still unscheduled in the States, SWIM was sent a few hundred milligrams in a trade deal.... From Erowid reports etc, SWIM thought he'd enjoy the journey.... SWIM ate a 60mg gel cap, waited 45 min and decided to go bike riding... SWIM noted very light visuals "shiny world".. He was stoked, thinking he'd get off good.... Light amount of body high, comparable to the first alerts one gets from virtually any 'trip' substance.... Head space was just barely off of baseline.... SWIM stopped at a burger joint at the hour and a half mark... Interaction with people was easy as swim generally had a less than 1/2 a joint buzz from the AMT going....Food tasted normal.... SWIM went to the local library after eating... SWIM did not find any magic in oral ingestion of compound..... Days later, SWIM learned that an ammonia wash would render AMT smokable.... SWIM dumped 60mg in the spoon and proceeded to wash. When dried out, SWIM fired the pipe.... ACRID!!! Horriblly foul smell filled the kitchen, and SWIM got a bad taste in his mouth.... Buzz came on.... 60 mg smoked AMT was roughly equivalent to 20mg in effect, intensity and duration to known sample of pharm pure 5-meo-DMT.... final thoughts: SWIM tossed remainder of AMT in toilet and began researching some FOXY/5-MEO-DMT sombos instead.... { Your mileage can, and probably will vary }----- sal

[anj0vis]

I really like the slight MAOI side of AMT, as it goes really well with some small amounts of other tryptamines, like 5-meo-dipt. Just remember that combined they have much stronger effects than what you would think.

[fatal]

the reports swim has heard on the foxy AMT combo suggest an extreme toxic reaction that it would be easy to imagine causing death... for some reason seems to do some things to the respiratory system...

[snapper]

SWIM used to combine the two all the time when they were around. Then again, SWIM never had any of the nasty side effects attributed to the Foxy. It really did not seem that the AMT was working as an MAOI - rather it seemed additive to the other in SWIMs impression.

Snapper

[trip.more]

swim really likes it at low doses swim gets over stimulated at around 40mg.Swim never had a headache on this one 5-MeO-AMT is the one to watch out for in that department.swim never goes on any diet with it and always gets ordinary results with other products consumed such as cheese, coffee, and bread.I would be interested to see how it acts with a low dose of mushrooms.

[fatal]

or maybe take a good heavy dose of AMT and then smoke a hit of DMT and see how long it lasts you...

[JumpinJackFlash]

Sorry,

SWIM decided to have a bit of a session on my computer when I was out SWIM had a headfull of chemicals and was acting the fool, SWIM has been repremanded, and SWIM's computer privilages have been taking away.

Don't touch AMT kids, it makes you hack onto your friends computers and send all SWIM's friends emails

[psykochamane]

Originally Posted by fatal

or maybe take a good heavy dose of AMT and then smoke a hit of DMT and see how long it lasts you...

Swim try it with 5Meo-DMT and the duration was the same. But you can smoke a most important dose of 5 Meo-DMT.
Swim try too AMT(50mg) and 4Ho-MIPT(46mg) a perfect combo !
the Anti depressanteffect do that the psychedelic effect of 4Ho-mipt would be resume at the visual effect : absolutely wonderfull Swim experiment too with LSD and it was the same (But be carrefull after the dissipation of the AMT effect, the LSD Spirit CAME AGAIN
Swim think,that AMT permit, not to potentiate other psychedelic, but to take higher dose and live a better trip

[rodent]

I don't have an issue with SWIM saying he thinks -

AMT(50mg) and 4Ho-MIPT(46mg) a perfect combo !

but those are quite large doses even if you aren't combining them...

It might be best to mention that this combination is NOT for beginners as it could be very overwhelming.

People should also mention if they are taking anti-depressants/anti-psychotics or benzo's also as these will dampen the effects quite a bit.

[Akewstick]

Is AMT available in the UK through the mail from chemical companies? or were the "rounds" it was mentioned to be doing purely illegal ones?

[Japan Four]

It is very much available if one takes their time to look for reputable sources. I agree with the other UK people here in that we are very lucky with AMT still being in our grasps !

[Wizzle]

Some monkeys I know have taken up to 100 mg's of AMT with 80 mg's of temazepam. It didn't harm 'em.

[Jatelka]

^^^ AMT (as a tryptamine) is surely covered by the "catch all" clause of the Misuse of Drugs Act?

Can someone clarify? SWIJ has asked elsewhere and not received a response

[Rush]

is AMT still used as antidepressant in russia?
somebody knows the story of indopan after the 60s?
i was curious if it was stopped and if yes why it was.

SWIM founds AMT and 5-Meo-AMT quite useful for that purpose

[Japan Four]

Jatelka, of the research swim's done on the subject, he came to the conclusion that it was exempt because it's in the alpha-methyl group. It was touched upon in http://http://drugs-forum.com/forum/...ad.php?t=18592 and AFAIK it isn't illegal. Not to say you wouldn't get your door kicked in if they had reason to believe you had some.

[fastandbulbous]

Originally Posted by Jatelka

^^^ AMT (as a tryptamine) is surely covered by the "catch all" clause of the Misuse of Drugs Act?

Can someone clarify? SWIJ has asked elsewhere and not received a response

The controlled tryptamines are defined as 'tryptamines or ring hydroxy tryptamines formed by the substitution to any extent of an alkyl group into the siodechain nitrogen, but nowhere else' Later on it mentions any esters or ethers being controlled as well

With AMT there's nothing substituted into the sidecain nitrogen/amine function, so it's exempt. 'Catch all' is one of the most misleading terms to describe the 1977 Modification Order to the MoDA. With a little thought it'#s possible to produce loads of non controlled drugs that are all active. The mod. order only catches the highly popular ones.

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[Jatelka]

^^^ Link's not working Japan Four

[Japan Four]

Oh I'm sorry. It was to the thread titled 'help legal rc's in uk'. I don't know what happened with the link.

[Japan Four]

TWO SETS OF http:// on the link, how foolish of me !

[Psych0naut]

My flamingo has recently bought a gram of AMT which was high on his "to do list" so a few weekends ago he and a friend tried it out. He started of with a gelcap with 50mg, together with a friend who had less experience with psychedelics. They also both took 25mg promethazine together with the gelcap because of AMT's reputation of causing nausea.

Within an hour my flamingo started getting his usual tripping smile(a smile from ear to ear my flamingo always gets when tripping, or feels the trip coming up) my flamingo and his friend went outside for a walk(they were in the center of a big city) and an hour after intake the first details were starting to stand out from the background. Brightly colored billboards, anything shiny, those kinds of things. My flamingo and his friend were both looking a bit in amazement how cool everything looked, the big sky scrapers, all the lights in the city centre in the distance.

They sat down for a while at a bench when they both started to feel the first nausea. After sitting down for a while and chatting they continued their walk through the neighborhood. After walking for half an hour they went back to their apartement to smoke a J. By now it was 1,5-2 hours after intake.

My flamingo didn't experience any nausea anymore by the time they arrived at their appartement, but his friend did, so he was eager to smoke a J hoping the nausea would subside. With the first toke my flamingo took the first minor visuals started to appear, but they soon subsided again untill he took another toke. When they finished the J my flamingo's friend started to feel better again, the J helped get over his nausea. The visuals were still minor after finishing the joint, so they smoked some more joints and bong hits in the oncoming two hours. It didn't make them stoned but did help bringing out the visuals a bit, though at 4 hours after intake it still wasn't what they expected.

My flamingo did plenty of research before his experience and judged according to Erowids trip reports that 50mg was a strong dose with nice visuals, it turned out not to be true for them. Erowid mentioned on their dosage page that each individuals reacts very differently on AMT, some having overwhelming trips at 40mg and others needing 100+mg to feel a thing. Because it was 4 hours after intake and my flamingo and his friend still weren't going strong, they decided to take a booster dose. SWIM took a total of 70mg snorted and smoked(though a lot was lost smoking it) and his friend snorted 50mg.

Within an hour the effects increased a lot and an hour after their booster dose they were rolling hard like they took a large dose of MDMA, and tripping good, equally to a small dose of shrooms. My flamingo has lost the magic with MDMA due to stupidity in his earlier days. It was fantastic to experience the same mind blowing euphoria equal and simillar to a good dose of MDMA again. My flamingo and his friend were listening to some music and the music increased the euphoria even more to the point he was shivering by the waves of euphoria that flowed through his body. My flamingo's friend still feels the magic of MDMA well when he does it, and my flamingo asked how he compared it to MDMA he said it was pretty close in his opinion.

My flamingo and his friend were in the same state for several hours, rolling hard and tripping a bit as well. In my flamingo's opinion it was pretty comparable to a hippyflip. After a while they kept hitting the bong again and went into the jacuzzi and smoked a few cigs still rolling hard. When they went out of the jacuzzi they smoked a bit more skunk and both took 60mg temazepam to help them get a good rest. 10 minutes after they layd down in their beds they fell asleep.

They slept for 3 hours when the roommate of my flamingo's friend came home from a nightshift. The three of them smoked a few joints and all went back to sleep after that. My flamingo and his friend slept for another 6 hours and then woke up feeling somewhat tired but for the rest pretty good.

My flamingo and his friend were quite e-tarded though, during their peak hours when they were rolling hard though. They kept forgetting what they wanted to say in the middle of a sentence and both had their moments they were completely somewhere else in their mind, just staring infront of them.

My flamingo is pretty experienced with psychedelics and has tried a lot of different psychedelics, and he ranks AMT very high after his experience. He also found it a pretty "friendly" psychedelic, no mind crushing psychedelic mind fuck or anything. All in all it was a fantastic experience he hopes to repeat and he certainly reccommends it.

My flamingo has to mention though, just like Erowid says, each individual reacts differently on AMT, one individual might have a overwhelming psychedelic trip with 40mg, while others need 100-200mg to reach the same effect. Always start with a low dose and work your way up.

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[snapper]

SWIM was clobbered at 50 mg - really was too much to handle (SWIM is accustomed to getting into oerwhelming trip situations, so SWIM rode it out as usual and was fine). Perhaps this has to do with the batch or individual variation, but SWIM could not fathom taking 120 mg. 50mg caused a really pronounced nystamus, sweating buckets, as well as the sensations akin to a hippieflip SWIPsychOnaut described. However, SWIM agrees that AMT is a real gem and has a similar degree of empathogenic effects as MDMA. SWIM prefers a 35 mg dose with something else less stimulating combined with it (DPT, 5meodipt, acomipt, etc - generally not phens) and lotsa weed. On a side note, the visuals experienced with AMT are very redundant and every time seem limited to the same patterns. More of an empathogen and stimulant for SWIM. Good for socializing, though... SWIM misses AMT...

[Psych0naut]

AMT in higher doses is indeed very similar to a hippyflip, where one takes a medium to high dose of MDMA(depending on ones dosage of AMT) and a small dose of mushrooms. The MDMA like component is much stronger in comparisson, to the trippy effect. Another less stimulating psychedelic together with AMT as snapper mentioned, could be an amazing mix.

[fastandbulbous]

People are either impatient and take a booster dose too soon (AMT has a slow onset such that even at the 3 hour mark you're still 'getting into it') or start off with too large a dose in the first place. Common sense (sometimes in short supply in drug users) should tell you to start with a dose of no more than 30mg and to wait out the complete experience so as to get a feel for it before doing something like redosing.

BTW Erowid gives a strong dose for smoked AMT as being 10-20mg, so 60mg was frankly a stupid dose. No wonder it felt so unpleasantly strong

[Euphoric]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-methyltryptamine

α-Methyl-tryptamine, also known as alpha-methyltryptamine, α-MT, AMT or IT-290, is a synthetic drug of the tryptamine family. First developed as an antidepressant, in the 1960s it was produced commercially for this purpose in the Soviet Union under the trade name "Indopan" in 5mg and 10mg pills. Like many other tryptamines, at sufficient dosages it is a psychedelic hallucinogen. Its effects may take 2-3 hours to onset, and can last for 18 to 24 hours. It also acts as a monoamine oxidase inhibitor and a stimulant. On 4 April 2003, an emergency United States DEA order resulted in α-MT being placed, along with 5-MeO-DIPT, on Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act.

AMT is legal in the UK and does not fall under the tryptamine clause as its substitution is not on the nitrogen. See the 2001 Misuse of Drugs Act : Schedule 1, regulation 3 (as of Mar 2004)

Systematic (IUPAC) name
2-(1H-indol-3-yl)-1-methyl-ethylamine
Identifiers
CAS number 299-26-3
ATC code ?
PubChem 9287
Chemical data
Formula C11H14N2
Mol. mass 174.24 g/mol
SMILES eMolecules & PubChem
Pharmacokinetic data
Bioavailability ?
Metabolism ?
Half life ?
Excretion ?
Therapeutic considerations
Pregnancy cat.

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Legal status
Routes ?

Chemistry

AMT is chemically related to serotonin, an important neurotransmitter. It acts by mimicking the effects of serotonin at the 5-HT2 receptor and by interfering with neurotransmitter reuptake and degradation mechanisms. α-MT has a stereocenter, and S-(+)-α-MT is the more active stereoisomer.

Dosage

An oral dosage of 5-10mg will produce a stimulating effect, and 20-30mg usually results in hallucinogenic effects that can last 24 hours. While a dosage of 60-80mg is generally considered a strong dosage, some users have been known to use large amounts of α-MT, and report dosages of up to 150mg being taken. The freebase can also be smoked, and 5-20mg is generally used.
Effects

AMT is a long-acting psychedelic/euphoric stimulant. It is known to cause nausea and vomiting in many recreational users. Erowid lists the following effects:

Positive

* increase in energy (stimulation)
* mood lift, smiling
* visual patterning and closed eye visuals
* increased awareness & appreciation of music
* empathogenic qualities

Neutral

* general change in consciousness (as with most psychoactives)
* blurred vision
* restlessness
* yawning
* pupil dilation

Negative

* anxiety, tension
* nausea and vomiting
* decrease in coordination
* muscle aching
* headaches
* jaw clenching (trisma)

Deaths

There have been at least two reported deaths due to AMT use. The first was a 21 year old in Alabama and the second a 22 year old FIU student in Miami. There are accounts of a third death, but there are currently no verifiable media reports.

[psykochamane]

The death never can be really assiociated with the AMt
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amt/amt_death1.shtml