Injecting - Injecting Diazepam (or other benzo) Pills

[0utrider]

maybe SWIY can also take a look at this thread

Injecting Basics, dangers of IVing pills. READ THIS before posting IV pill questions!

[Solinari]

I was making a comparison to temazepam jellies in the sense that if the liquid solidified as it cooled then it would be similar to temazepam which also solidified when it cooled. Since i don't know if it solidifies or not, then i don't know, if some one knows otherwise then fair enough.

[Psych0naut]

In general, nearly all benzodiazepinse are regarded as insoluble in water. That means, only a few mg would dissolve in a ml of water. For some very potent benzodiazepines, that would be enough for a good dose, but for most of them it wouldn't. Midazolam(Dormicum), Flurazepam(Dalmadorm) and some preperations of Chloordiazepoxide(Librium) are in water soluble salt forms. They are however generally available as tablets, and like with all tablets, it's dangerous to inject them, due to binders and fillers.

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Well said, quite right, Sol

[frankz81]

swim used to inject diazepam, using a mortar and pistle crushing til very fine...then using a couple of 5ml syringes and cotton to filter a coupla times, then transferring to 1ml's for iv use... needed a fair bit,maybe 25mg for same effect of 10mg injested..
did come on straight away tho, although short lived but yes it can be done, and no u shouldnt do it

[allyourbase]

firstly a lot of pill binders are small particles that easily get drawn up in aqueous solutions.
secondly only a very very very few benzodiazapines are water soluable.

SWIM advises HEAVILY against the attempted IV injection of a benzodiazapine, outside of perhaps the valium gel.

[Spinner]

Can the valium gel be made into an IV injectable solution? I don't really care to stick anything in my ass.

[KaLiShNiKoF]

this is the kinda stuff SWIM gets worried about...
please look at this

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...id=153&id=6293

not just Buprenorphine cause these problems, benzodiazepines also do the same in some cases...
just saying SWIW needs to do a lot of research before attempting something like this.

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by Spinner

Can the valium gel be made into an IV injectable solution? I don't really care to stick anything in my ass.

Originally Posted by KaLiShNiKoF

this is the kinda stuff SWIM gets worried about...
please look at this

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...id=153&id=6293

not just Buprenorphine cause these problems, benzodiazepines also do the same in some cases...
just saying SWIW needs to do a lot of research before attempting something like this.

It is also one of the reasons Temazepam was made a controlled drug in the UK. Temazepam used to come in a gel cap preparation, which when injected caused thrombosis, & also lead to gangrene & amputations when veins were missed & arteries hit, as well as the occasional death.

Sticking something where the sun don't shine is far preferable wouldn't you agree?

[KaLiShNiKoF]

in this case SWIM agrees, Especially with Lorazepam, Dissolving it, and inserting it where the sun Don't shine is probably a better i idea. Not probably, it is...

[phatassone]

As far as £SWIM knows the only ingectable benzos in pill form are Loprazolam, Midazolam... then there are special vials of liquid diazepam or lorazepam which are made for injection, but you can't inject Diazepam pills...

[Pklnk]

Internet buddy of mine, wants to know decent preparation of Dormicum for IM injection. He don't have IV-filters. But he got IM syringes and needles.

He made an cold water extraction and filtered it with cigarette filters. And the solution is light grey colour. He must get IV-filters? or can he just shoot the solution?, he asks.

And are the effects similar to IV?

[frankz81]

swim has found alprazolam to be much more water soluble than diazepam, and as such feels an effect from it where as orally alprazolam in a 2 or 4mg dose will only ease his anxiety and does not feel anything else off it like everyone else, its not a tolerance issue as he doesnt ingest enough, but when he first tried it, .5mg knocked him out and now he can take 6mgs and not feel a thing, unless iv'd, which he does as it eases his opiate withdrawl somewhat,along with some promethazine which can be iv'd too, but be warned, u wont be able to see a damn thing or read for a coupla days if u iv promethazine.

[8balls936]

swim was thinking about iv and benzos and thought of Midazolam. would crushing the pills then put the powder in a small vial adding room temp water, shaking it for a min. or two, letting the filler settle to the bottom. then sucking up as much of the water with a needle without getting the filler at the bottom. then shoot. or for extra safty, spilling the contents on a spoon cooking, filltering, letting cool then shoot. that is of course if most of the midazolam was suspended in the water.

[allyourbase]

its chemistry is polar enough to be water soluable, but swim knows of no known IV or IM mixtures, pharmecuetical or home made. caution is highly advised.

before I get some lame blank string response. it is water soluable because it meets the polymer standard of benzodiazapines....WTF is that? the presence of two halogens, allowing the "benzodiazapine" skeletal structure into the protein metabolic processes. this is why these certain benzodiazapines limit themselves primarily to the vascular cavity of the human body. Re: Ativan, Klonopin

[slowjets]

SWIM managed by some awesome mistake to get 1mg clonazepam in my vein. 20 minutes later the CPM kicked in and had an obsession to obtain cocaine.

euphoric and totally relaxed. a bluelight article mentions mixing water and milk with diazepams. i heated the mixture slightly, to ensure the binders to the surface although drawing into the rig was difficult.

and successfully done about 10 minutes ago. feelin hazy, pleasurable apathy. music sounds tranquilizing.

nothing SWIM would do on a regular basis knowing the impurity of binders and such.

good luck

[Dissociative]

I would just like to point out, that once swiy has become comfortable with injecting on their own, many wild ideas come into mind. Now Swim's experience with heroin might be a little different, but SWIM was really willing to try iv on many different things. This is part of the reason swim believes he is no longer much of a healthy person. The same goes for snorting, it happens. It all comes down to what you really want to do, and the safe way may not always be accepted, but the difference between oral and iv isn't nearly great enough to choose over oral.

[slowjets]

SWIM takes back ever wanting to put pills in the vein again.

last week SWIM nearly died on 5mgs with 3ml rig, milk and cold water left for an hour while on 10mg orally. 1 hour of euphoria. confusion. my body left the house, and felt like the lights were going out. sight was clean, no HPPD. went outside to lay back and felt the sun into my skull. body felt like a bag of dead meat. i wrote in my notebook upon the first 20 minutes. and what i wrote was hilarious and disturbing.. didn't want to hear abrasive music or even guitars.. though music sounded incredibly deep and new again..

never never never injecting diazepam again unless a flawless solution to get the pill soluble was found.

[thedoctorisin]

hey to burst everyones bubble that were hoping to inject a benzo but the simply are not soluable in water . Period. If you really want to dissolve a xanax or a valium and inject it than you or someone(hypothetically of course)would have to disolve the pill in a grain alcohol solution very strong vodka or Everclear would do the trick but I would highly recomend double filtering it prior to administration because of all the binders and insoluables such as talc that you may inadvertantly be injecting along with you drug.good luck and I'm with some of the others just eat them or even sniff 'em if you must-you'll still get high

[frankz81]

swim tried this method with isopropyl alcohol, squeezing about 1ml of it from sterile swabs stupid yes, burnt like fkn hell also but used it for the purpose of being sterile and no real great effect for 50 odd mgs, a proper 5mg iv prep was awesome not long ago and even eating 50 mgs wasnt as good...was it not a wise choice in the type of alcohol ? and why would a grain or more organic alcohol work better hypothetically? thanks.

[Swing]

Well swim tried to add .18CC of polyethylene glycol to crushed 4mgs or lorazapam amd swim bearly felt a thing during injectiom so I guess you shouldbn't believe people telling you they got high from it in a settingg ouside an md hospital. the only thing missing from whats in thier forrnulas was a type of alcohol in it with I don't see would have made any difference.... Please post back cuz swim wants one of those sexual so sexual feeling great injections

[thedoctorisin]

Benzo's can effectively br admined by thr parentaral route bus as you have probally read in some of thye earlier posts it is mos deffinitely not water-soluable so you must either use Chloroform(hard to obtain) or ethanol in its most pure form like everclear or very,very high grade grain moonshine from someonr who has many years experience making such a distillation and then just go about you normal methods and rituals for cooking it up(minus the hest of course) and do a 1/4 cc to begin with if you put in say 3 1mg xanax in your spoon and filter very carefully and possibly double filter as all the fillers they put in pills can cause cappilary collapse and clogging if too much makes it into the spoon and thus into your vein.-My personal advice is to crush up a couple 1mg's (blue ones) and insuffilate and kick back with a couple of cold beers and enjoy -much less chance of some bizzare reaction and damage done to your veins which need to be saved for the good stuff-Peace and please dont send me any e-mails anymore regarding anything I say on D-F ok? I'd appreciate and be glad to help answert any questions my fellow blogers have of me .Be Careful my bretheren-Peace

[Lemur]

Swim was wondering about bromazepam (6mg). Have and Swim tried IV it?

[dyingtomorrow]

Wow, what a thread.

So SWIM's going to try and summarize what he's read here (that's actually pertinent to the reason 90% of people would be reading this thread):

- It IS possible to inject "water insoluble" benzo pills like xanax or valium.
- Methods to do this are putting the powder in a needle, adding water, and shaking them up in a needle (*gag*); or cooking them up in a normal fashion.
- They WILL get you high.
- With the latter method, it actually takes a higher dose injected to achieve the same result as orally, since so little is absorbed in the water.
- It is extremely extremely unhealthy to do so.
- It's best to use a micron filter if you are going to do this to filter out binders. ("hold on, lemme go get my micron filter")
- It's possible to use a percent of everclear or "pure" alcohol and water as the liquid medium to absorb more of the drug and make it more effective.
- People in this thread have mixed up "unhealthy to do" with "can not do it."

Anything above not true? By the way, I have no opinion on the matter, I just have never read such a conflicting thread before and I'm trying to make sense of it.

And, yeah, it's bad. We got that.

dyingtomorrow added 969 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...

AFOAF of SWIM injection report:

- Filled 1 CC syringe with .2 CC Ketel One vodka, and .4 CC water.
- Crushed 2mg of Alpazolam and .5 mg Diazepam and backloaded into syringe.
- Shook thoroughly for 2 minutes.
- Poured result into small container and added .4 CC water.
- Used secondary syringe to draw liquid through 2 tightly compressed cottons stacked on one another (for the hell of it).
- Result was .6 CC of nearly clear liquid.
- Injected in leg vein.

Slightly positive bodily feeling, but possibly placebo effect as SWIM gets this from injecting anything. Possible increase in mood within 2 - 4 minutes, but not certain. Also, SWIM is benzo-naive for the most part and never abused them, but still realizes these are relatively small amounts, which could explain the lack of effect.

Would not bother again.

[Swing]

Swim used Listerine since it has alcohol (EtOH), sodium benzoate, and propolene glycol. For Xanax!

Swing added 37 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

Swim did 1mg and it worked accept the plunger was impossible to move and he thinks most the spot blew his vein ;-(

[Eden]

Hello Beltane.Are you still following this thread?I wish I had caught this sooner but better late than never I guess.Answer is yes,but you MUST be careful and you MUST do it the right way.The only way to do this as far as I am concerned is with a wheel filter.Please follow the link below for a step-by- step:

http://www.saferinjecting.net/inject...el-filters.htm

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	informative first post
	Good harm-reduction post.