Injecting - Injecting Diazepam (or other benzo) Pills

[Bell]

the cotton wouldn't catch the starch and such? There made to instantly dissolve when u pop them in your mouth. They are not in hard pill form. I'm sure swim would still have fun just popping a few but He's got an oxy habit so he prefers the needle. Thanks so much for all the help I'm glad I found this forum. Swim likes to be educated before he trys something new He really appreciates it

[rocksmokinmachine]

I hope SWIY does not inject oxycodone either... The wax coating on Oxycontin could cause SWIY very serious damage. If SWIY continues injecting these he will probably end up dead. Pills are made to be swallowed. Read the thread on injecting pills. It is huged and countless people have been warned about doing this. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but this site is about educating people and harm reduction, it would be sad to loose a member

[Eden]

Originally Posted by Bell

the cotton wouldn't catch the starch and such? There made to instantly dissolve when u pop them in your mouth. They are not in hard pill form. I'm sure swim would still have fun just popping a few but He's got an oxy habit so he prefers the needle. Thanks so much for all the help I'm glad I found this forum. Swim likes to be educated before he trys something new He really appreciates it

Hello Bell and welcome.Please do take the time to read through this thread,it is loaded with good info surrounding your question.This very subject has been thoroughly discussed and regurgitated within this thread and others.Not trying to "meanie."Or,are you differentiating between pills and wafers?I am not personally familiar with the wafer form klonopin.

Cheers,
Eden

Eden added 8 Minutes and 1 Seconds later...

Oh geez!!Please completely disregard my last post.I was completely out of context having sorted the pages incorrectly and I sincerely apologize Bell.Having sorted the pages incorrectly,I thought Bell's post was one of the most recently made and therefore felt I had to say something.DOH!Maybe an admin. could delete my two posts of they have time/ care enough?


Thanks,
Eden

[tyranny4u]

SWIM got some of the liquid Clonazepam (Klonopin / Rivotril). 10 bottles, 25
mg per 10 ml bottle. SWIM actually does not shoot things that aren't made
for iv'ing, decided to make a "little exception" and so did one shot with ~
7 mg. SWIM found the experience much less exciting as he expected, and so
stayed with consuming the liquid orally.
the pic shows a bottle imported from Spain, on the left there is a label in ger-
man language applied, SWIM peeled it off and on the right there is the origi-
nal bottle.

[kapten]

I have put that pdf in the archive. I also found the following page for those without adobe acrobat.

This site discusses in length the pain associated with propylene glycol :
http://www.anesthesia-analgesia.org/...full/95/5/1297

Unless one has access to a local anathaestic (sp?), it seems diluting with sterile water to NaCl solution is the best option.

SWIM will soon post the results of IV injection after diluting 50% with sterile water .

[kapten]

BINGO ! Well SWIM simply crushed her 2 5mg diazepams, added .8ml of propylene glycol, .25ml of 80% everclear, 1ml of sterile water mixed thoroughly and filtered. SWIM was using a 3ml syringe to topped up with extra water solution.

Guess what ? IV injection using properly dissolved diazepam in propylene glycol without any sting at all ! And SWIM informs me that it felt veeeery nice anc cruisy...

SWIM guesses that IM would also be close to painless, but if you read my previous posts, the experts say IM can cause problems.

Yeeha !

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[kapten]

SWIM says that IM is still quite painful but tolerable.
There are several OTC medications containing benzocaine and lidocaine. If anyone has qualified experience using any of these, please post here.

[Solinari]

The following is something SWIM should never have done, and regrets doing, SWIM doesn't recommend doing this cause it really is crazy and could cause serious problems.

SWIM has injected Valium and Xanax a few times, they would crush up the tablets with two spoons (5 or 6 10mg tablets) as fine as possible. Then with a improvised funnel (using a bit of paper with a 45° cut), the powder would be put into a 2ml barrel after pulling out the plunger (it's more like 3ml). Then the plunger is put back in and pushed towards the end of the syringe.

The 25 gauge (i think blue ones anyway) was put on and the water drawn up filling about half the syringe then the rest with air, then shaking vigorously the mixture would be turned in to an 'emulsion'. More water would be added to thin the mixture and then injected in a vein.

SWIM has done this a good few times, dozens maybe and it's some hit but it's crazy, and SWIM won't be doing it again unless SWIM found some Wheel Filters which is unlikely, so SWIM won't do it again.

SWIM is a heroin addict and SWIM has had one or two 'dirty hits' which is very unpleasant, but SWIM never had a 'dirty hit' from IV'ing valium. Never the less it's crazy and at worst could even cause a stroke or heart attack.

Unless you can dissolve the diazepam, or filter out the shite, don't do it, it's too dodgy.

Can i not edit?

SWIM hasn't done this for about a year, maybe longer. I just pray that it didn't cause any long term problems that might show up later on. SWIM didn't do this every week, but SWIM has done it a good few times.

As i said SWIM regrets this and doesn't recommend it. Don't do it, take your valium or whatever with a hot drink, crush them with your front teeth (or they will stick to your back teeth) and they will be absorbed a bit faster. You could even make up the mixture and stick it up your ass if you are that way inclined. SWIM hasn't tried this but since 'shafting' is probably 2nd to IV/IM'ing, i imagine it would be a pretty fast hit and probably just as intense, well maybe not quite as intense.

[Solinari]

The jellies as they were known stopped coming in a liquid filled capsule purely because people were melting them and injecting them. There was this one case where a guy lost a leg because of constant injecting of temazepam capsules, in fact he might have even lost both legs.

Then he injected the liquid in his EYE, yes that's right, he lost at least one leg then injected the stuff in his eye ball. I read it on Wikipedia (not the most reliable of sources) but there is a link to the case that seems to be legit, it even shows a picture of the guys eye, it is called xxxx, just scroll down and you will see it. The guy ended up losing both legs (just checked it) then injected it in his eye (what the FUCK was he thinking) and now he is blind in both eyes, well he's probably dead by now, poor guy. What would possess someone to continue injecting the shit in his groin after losing one leg, then after losing the other one, he did it in his EYE! I don't see how you can get a buzz from em, interocular injection? Surely intramuscular would have been far better and a million times less risky, fuck he should have just ate the things, crazy crazy nutter.

My friend injected temazepam tablets a couple of times years ago now, and even that was crazy and he certainly won't be doing it again. He was lucky nothing happened because it seems that temazepam will cause vascular occlusion, especially arteries, hence the amputation (of that guy that slammed jellies in his eye ball) but i am sure it would cause veins to close up as well. He will certainly never inject tablets again, it's just too dam risky although he did say injecting 60mg of diazepam is some buzz, but not worth the risks at all. The only way he would ever do it again is if he could dissolve them in a safe and completely sterile solution and for that i think good pharmaceutical chemistry knowledge would be needed. Bottom line, don't jag benzo tablets, it really really isn't worth the risk, besides they have very high oral bioavailability.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Was it your monkey that injected the temazepam jellies? I'm sure it was

[Jatelka]

It's generally accepted that 14 days of daily use is enough for physical tolerance/dependence.

But back on topic please: "Injecting Valium (or other benzo) pills"

[delphinen]

as an almost usual Diazepam ampoule abuser, SWIM would recommend to shoot on different parts every try, right arm, left leg, left arm, right leg, intravenose from the left arm, then intravenose from the right, then back to im on the buttocks, etc.
always massage the area if you IM the Diazepam, so it gets segregated faster in your muscle, plus it feels nice ^_^

ps: take a hot immersive bath and shoot Midazolam from it. The relax will be amazing. Be careful to have some tolerance and not fall sleep!

[Psych0naut]

^^^ Just to be shure to mention it for the people who somehow wouldn't think come up with it themselves, but don't shoot midazolam immersed in a bathtub. SWIM has been on a Dormicum(midazolam) prescription for somewhile, and also has some Dormicum 15mg/3ml ampoules which he shot. Midazolam is a benzodiazepine sledgehammer, it's the only benzodiazepine capable of putting a huma in a coma with just double the normal oral dose taken intravenously. For that reason it's used as a pre-anesthetic, and it does it's job very well ...

[delphinen]

SWIM got a box of 15mg Roche Dormicum, already tried it orally and sniffed without the coating, but he would like to try the rush of IVing it.
Could someone explain step by step how to do this please?

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by delphinen

SWIM got a box of 15mg Roche Dormicum, already tried it orally and sniffed without the coating, but he would like to try the rush of IVing it.
Could someone explain step by step how to do this please?

Simple answer. Don't. There is thread after thread about injecting pills and the dangers. They are meant to be taken orally.

[darkbreed]

Rohypnol (FLunitrazepam) is easily and very commonly dissolved in water by heating it and then filtering it and injecting it. As an earlier heroin addict I know this. "Heavnly Blizz" is what we called the mix of injecting rohypnol and heroin or morphine. Fluniptrazepam is also the best benzo available to inject as far I've come across and I came across many in my times

Midazolam is also easily dissolved in water with slightly low pH. not sure if you even need to heat it.

Xanax (alprazolam) is also possible, but harder, you need to cook it two times, first cook it with lots of water so it boils well and filter that liquide, and cook the reamins one more time and filter that up too and ready to with the two mixed solutions. The color of the goo left in the spoon should be rather yellowish and usually is alot.

Valium is also possible, rivotril too.

Some benzos you need to add other chemicals to make them more absorbable, such as f.ex citric acid to lower the ph with midazolam. Ascorbic acid should do the same trick.

Havn't looked up the specifics for all the different benzos and how and what they are soluble in though, but this is what Ive gathered from my past experience with such.

But it is IMPORTANT to know what you are doing, you need a FILTER of HIGH GRADE to get the solution you've cooked and let as much crap and fillers remain in the spoon and filter after.

Read up on HARM REDUCTION on IV'ing,, if you dont now what you're doing Id suggest don't do it. It's a dangerous game.

Greetings from an ex-mainliner

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by darkbreed

Rohypnol (FLunitrazepam) is easily and very commonly dissolved in water by heating it and then filtering it and injecting it.

I'm not sure if flunitrazepam is water soluble. Only a few benzo's are. Even so SWIY does not want to be injecting corn starch, lactose and all of the other fillers and binders and colourings that are being used. It is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

Originally Posted by darkbreed

Midazolam is also easily dissolved in water with slightly low pH. not sure if you even need to heat it.

Midazolam is water soluble, I believe. But again, this does not make the tablets safe for injection. Tablets/capsules/caplets are made for swallowing. This is again, EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

Originally Posted by darkbreed

Xanax (alprazolam) is also possible, but harder, you need to cook it two times, first cook it with lots of water so it boils well and filter that liquide, and cook the reamins one more time and filter that up too and ready to with the two mixed solutions. The color of the goo left in the spoon should be rather yellowish and usually is alot.

Alprazolam is probably not water soluble either, as most benzodiazepines are not (but don't quote me as I believe 2 or 3 are). 'Dissolving' and injecting any pill is VERY DANGEROUS, and should not attempted at all.

Originally Posted by darkbreed

Valium is also possible, rivotril too.

Try to use the name of the drug, rather than the brand name. This avoids confusion in this international forum. By these I assume SWIY means diazepam and clonazepam. These are definately not water soluble, and yet another extremely dangerous act that SWIY has suggested.

PLEASE PEOPLE. DO NOT INJECT CRUSHED PILLS, CAPSULES/CAPLETS OF ANY KIND IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, UNLESS YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR LIMBS AMPUTATED, HAVE GANGRENE, A STROKE, A BLOOD CLOT OR POSSIBLY EVEN DIE.

For anyone that has lived in the UK and Ireland, they will remember the 'jelly' abusers of the mid 1980's. These people used to inject 20+ 30mg temazepam gel capsules at a time. These people usually didn't see thier 30th birthday, and for obvious reasons.

[darkbreed]

SWIM have many years of experience with injecting all kinds of substances, of course SWIM do not recommend any injections of anything, but if you chose to do it its better to know how and what dangers there is to it (thus i was suggesting looking up harm reduction, high grade filters etc)

Regarding the solubility of the above mentioned pills, they are all soluble when cooked and injectable as SWIM knows from long experience with mainlining himself. SWIM used to be a heroin junkie and one of the favorites was to mix up a pill of rohypnol (flunitrazepam) with the smack and get extra blasted. The flunitrazepam injected on its own also is very powerful, "knock out" is a good term. Rohypnol (flunitrazepam) pills are also the most easy and powerful pills to inject of all benzos, having the strongest effect. I know it says many of these benzos are not water soluble, but from experience that is not correct, perhaps it is the heating of the water that makes it soluble as the benzos perhaps melts and dissolves into the water when cooked at high temperature?

SWIM is aware of the temazepam issue mentioned, but that was due to injecting the gel itself and cloggin up the veins, which is something completely different than crushing solid pills to powder, cook them and filter them, and inject the clear liquid.

For those who want to be stupid enough to inject, always make sure you use a HiGH GRADE FILTER and not just some rolled up cottong piece. Cotton can be extremely dangerous as tiny fibers may find its way into the syringe and be injected into your bloodstream and cause "cotton fever" (look it up for more info). The same goes for the pills, small particles may find their way through the cotton and in the same way end up in the syringe and thus in your veins - very dangerous.

Everything stated here is in regards of benzodiazepines, other types of pills can be extremely dangerous and deadly to IV, and so can IV'ing benzos be. It is not recommended and I encourage anyone who consider it to just take them sublingual instead or swallow them down or snort them for that matter. IV'ing is a serious step towards a downhill path.

Some harm reduction sites worth checking:
http://www.saferinjecting.net/
http://www.thewellproject.org/en_US/...ning_Works.jsp
http://harmreduction.org/idu/chapter1.html

Once you start injecting its not easy to go back - take that as a warning from a guy who knows!

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by darkbreed

Regarding the solubility of the above mentioned pills, they are all soluble when cooked

They are not, believe me.

Would any of the more educated members. Care to point DB in the right direction. I agree that a few are water soluble. BUT DOES THAT MAKE THEM SAFE FOR INJECTION??????

I THINK NOT!

HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE GONE OVER !!!!!!! GRRR

Sorry for the rant but PILLS are meant to be taken orally. Inject benzodiazepines if they are in injectable ampoules.

[darkbreed]

SWIM speaks from experience. Cooking up any benzo always worked for SWIM specifically with a little citric acid added. Regarding safety etc, nothing is safe to shoot up in the first place , and regarding all the stuff in the pills, you really think the heroin, coke, meth , etc you buy in the street is very much purer? You dont think its cut with all kind of crap? You can always purify your benzos by doing a proper extraction first to get rid of all the nasties you think are so bad, if you really want to do that, and then get a more clean almost pure form of the benzo. Personally SWIM never did that though, he just cooked up the crushed pills, filtered them so all the goo and fillers were left in the spoon, and a clear clean liquid in the syringe.

Regarding the rush of IViing benzos, SWIM finds Flunitrazepam to be the most useful and potent, while the other ones more or less are just a quicker way to get the effects, and honestly SWIM would recommend just eating those benzos as they are not really worth shootin effectwise.

The most effective benzo to iv is flunitrazepam in SWIMs opinion, and SWIM never had any problem or negative effects from doing so and he was doing so up to 10 times a day for some years. The only negative effect was getting a bunch of fucked up veins. But they have been healed now and SWIM is no longer injecting nor do he recommend anyone else to do so either.

People will keep shootin pills no matter if we or others say its not safe and what not, so its better to let people know how to do it as properly as possible with as much harm reduction one can supply them with. I did give a bunch of links to "safe injection" and harm reduction sites in another thread, just search my nick and "harm reduction" and I think you should find it.

[Ididnotinhale]

If swim can get ahold of Midazolam (verced), that works very well for injection, but swim cannot suggest it due to dangers.

If anyone has had any big medical procedures, that's what they use to knock you out (along with the opiates).

Like swim said, be extremely careful though, since it is such a strong benzo, especially when injected.

Ativan also works well injected. Swim was in the hospital for about 2 months (due to a head injury, now part of my head is plastic!) The injury caused epilepsy and whenever a seizure started nursed would inject about 5mg of ativan and that would knock swim out. (and more importantly stop the seizure)

[Solinari]

I have found conflicting information on whether or not flunitrazepam is water soluble. Some places say 'slightly' soluble (which probably means not soluble), some say 'virtually insoluble' and some say it is water soluble. Even if flunitrazepam is water soluble then it is one of very few that are, i imagine the water soluble benzodiazepines can be counted on one hand (can't say for sure though).

I am absolutely positive the majority of benzodiazepines will not dissolve in a small amount of water even at high temperature (which is a bad idea to inject anyway) and with some citric acid.

[darkbreed]

Well all SWIM can say about that is that it is no doubt water soluble when heated, much also considering the effects only 1mg of a Rohypnol pill have when injected (flunitrazepam). In the country SWIM comes from, which by the way have the highest amount of needle injectors per percentage of the population in the world, Rohypnol (flunitrazepam) is one of the most popular drugs to inject and is generally very expensive, and is largely used for mixing with opiates to really boost the effects.

SWIM speaks from experience with the matter and not from reading any information about this, so he knows this to be completely true and Rohypnol was his personal drug of choice which he used to slam way too much. Just a couple mg (3-4) banged is enough to make you drool and pass out on its own with no other substances added (such as opiates).

IV'ing Rohypnol pills (flunitrazepam) is highly pleasurable and addictive, comparable to heroin I would say and the mix is "amazing".

With that said, SWIM do not encourage anyone trying to shoot up anything, in the long term it's not worth it and only leads to misery - SWIM was lucky enough to get back from the street and get himself together but have many friends who are still out there or dead.

[Solinari]

My fiend is familiar with injecting benzo's, he has injected diazepam and alprazolam in fact injecting diazepam was one of his favourite things to do with fresh blister packs. It was utterly nuts because it was the whole pill he would inject in an emulsion and he is just thankful he didn't kill himself and would NEVER do it again. This was just the way he saw it done many times by other people and it worked, very well, it's a great buzz but he was naive and stupid.

If flunitrazepam is soluble in water without heat then it's one of very few that are and it's still a bad idea to inject. If it is soluble with heat but not without then it's a VERY bad idea to inject because when it cools presumably it will start to solidify and that is probably worse than slamming the whole pill because it could make it's way in to larger vessels then solidify. Sounds like injecting jelly temazepam to me which did result in amputations.

[darkbreed]

SWIM can only say that from years of frequent and careful administration of flunitrazepam (and at other times not quite so careful) he has to add that he always put his syringe with the hot liquid in a full glass of ice cold water to cool it down before injecting. This served two purposes - one to make any nasties that had melted and would stay liquid while heated to resolidfy on getting cooled down, as well as the overall not general liking of injectin hot liquid straight from the cookin plates so to speak.

The observerations were that NEVER did he see any crystalline solids or other forms of solid matters, the liquid was completely transparant and had no solid matters in it at all at no level that were possibly to see with close examination of flipping the syringe both back and forth and up and down etc, and never did the needles etc get clogged from anything either. The only clogging he experiend, were times when he drew up blood in the syringe, and let it there for too long before injecting and the blood solidfy some and made the need buggered up (be careful with that, inject blood-clogs is probably not so healthy either).

I am far from a chemist. But Ive noticed that some substances in or daily life, lets take sugar as an example, doesnt rapidly dissolve in cold water, but if added in hot water it quickly does, and still is dissolved after the solution gets cold.

Perhaps it is something of the same effect. SWIM never tried to iv cold flunitrazepam though as he had been taught by the rest of the junks to cook it up first.

Once he and a friend had a big syringe and decided to cook up 5-6 pills at once (1mg each) in a big metal spoon (the round ones used to ge ice cream balls) and so we did crush them up, cook away, and filter and suck up a big amount of liquids (can't remember exactly how many cc, somewhere between 5 and 10 cl, while normaly 1-2 cl were used for one pill or two. So they shared this one 50-50 and shot up and both immetiately passed out drooling and what not smackin head together just to wake up hours later in completely different positions than they orignally had passed out (SWIM somehow ended up wakin in the bedroom of another couple whom he was stayin over at, having no idea how he got in there.)

SWIM is not familiar with any temazepam similar symptons such as amputations etc due to rohpypnol, and rohypnol and been used and shot up for longer and more times than temaz ever has, and this in a counry that has the highes amounts of injecting users. SWIM used to hang with the dirtiest lowlife worst possible junkies of the street you could find, like guys who were in their 50s and had been shootin since they were 13, and they were still fine in health for their age, in general, thouh had som problems with he veinds due to popping so much and messing them up bu that was mostly what was observed.

Jelly temazpeam is completely different, and it is the JELLY that causes the problem ther, not the temazepam itself. Flunitrazepam do not have a jelly of any sort. The pills are green, coated, and SWIM would lick of the coating first before crusin up pills, cooking with needed amount water, filter it into the syringe, adding needle, and banging it in after cooling it down in glass of cold water for a while.

my 2 cents.

DB