Originally Posted by ccblaine
Originally Posted by kailey_elise
The veins in the hands are usually 'rollers', but with some IV experience in other spots on your body the rolling veins get a little easier to figure out how to hit. I don't think I could possibly explain how I used to do it; it's definitely something I'd have to show someone. Still, hitting the veins in the forearm (they don't roll as much as the hands) can be done, like anything else, practice makes perfect!
Coraline knows this is VERY old post, she doesnt even know you you still on DF?
if so she had kind of an emergency this morn and posted about it... with NO replies (no one answering her posts which are important need to know things for her and no one replies)
she had her tea party friends over and one had deep-rolling veins and the lady brought short needles
(Q: looked/felt like they could have been hit with a longer needle... could they have been?)
so the gentleman said he always shot in hand... Coraline did this stuff for MANY people (noobs/when someone could not find a vein) but never experienced rolling veins.
Poor guy was prolly poked...idk between 25-50 times... n only took ONE lump of sugar....
attempted 2nd but failed.
his lady friend tried using her fingernails to kind of lift the vein it worked the first time but that just made ithe veins harder to see really
can you give ANY tips?
Coraline would GREATLY appreciate and is sure Gentleman would too!!!!
Wow. Well, it would help a bit to not be so obtuse.
Just speak clearly - making sure everyone understands what you're talking about/asking is vitally important to getting clear information in return! *grin* What is a 'tea party', and lump of sugar? That's a little confusing for me. And knowing for sure the drug
in question makes a difference.
I'll assume methamphetamine
, as that's the forum we're currently in. So, stimulants
. Stimulants make your veins constrict (get smaller), and each subsequent shot is harder to hit, because of the veins shrinking.
Water. Drinking lots & lots of water! This keeps your veins plump.
Heat. Hot washcloth on the area you're trying to inject in, or I used to keep a heating pad next to my desk chair for cramps; when I became an IV drug user, it was great because I'd use it on my inner arm for 10 minutes or so to warm up the area, which helps bring veins closer to the surface.
Um, not sure what to call this, but exercising the area helps bring up the veins too. "Windmill" your arm, or hold it well-below the heartline while making & releasing a fist over and over (squeezing a kind of squishy ball helps too).
Keeping the part of the arm/hand you want to inject into below the heartline helps as well. So can a tourniquet, but you're really supposed to loosen the tourniquet prior to injecting. Basically: tie off, let the vein plump up, insert needle, register. Then loosen the tourniquet & reregister to make sure you're still in the vein. This becomes more difficult as time goes on and/or with rolling veins. The only way I can think of to make injecting with the tourniquet still on is to make sure you tie off VERY loosely. You want the tourniquet to just barely be making the blood flow slow down. And then inject VERY slowly in order to try to prevent the vein from blowing out. This still isn't a GREAT method, though. Make certain to use something thick enough - a shoestring or tie from your hoodie or pantyhose is NOT GOOD. Belt is good. Braiding some pantyhose together then using that can work. Wrapping the sleeve of your sweatshirt around your arm works (obviously not while your arm is IN the sleeve, haha!). I always had a 'real' tourniquet myself - I usually got them at the needle exchange, but I've also snagged 'em from the lab when getting blood drawn.
If someone else is doing it, you'll probably have better luck. The person being injected can hold their skin taut - if going into the forearm, for instance, the injectee can grasp the skin under the arm & pull it tight, which will tighten the skin of the forearm without being in the way of the injector. This technique can usually work in other areas as well.
Slightly longer needles will probably help too. I always used 1/2" length needles personally, and rarely had problems.
ETA: I forgot to mention, every time you poke the needle through the skin, you dull it. Dull needles are harder to use, MUCH harder to use. Also important is to make sure not to dull the needle before you even try to hit via banging it around in the cooker/spoon/whatever.
To this end, I always had a needle designated as the 'mixing needle'. This was a needle that had never been in anyone's body that I used for drawing up & mixing my shot. Once drawn up into the needle (though a cotton, naturally), I would then backload my brand-new syringe with it, in order to keep the new needle's point as sharp as possible. Backloading can be tricky without practice, but basically, you take the plunger out of the new needle & keeping it about horizontal, slowly squirt the mix into the empty barrel. You do NOT want the solution at the needle end, but more towards the middle. Otherwise, when you put the plunger back in, you'll start squirting it out. So, replace the plunger until it's closed the chamber off, then hold the syringe vertically & do the flicking thing you do to make sure there's no air in the syringe. Once all the air is at the top (obviously, it'll be more than you're used to having to push out, haha!), squish it out & proceed as normal.
This also works for splitting shots. Then there's no "your pile's bigger than mine!" bullshit, and you don't have people dipping their dirty points into the same cooker to draw up a mixed shot.
I know it's a pain in the ass, but if you haven't hit someone after poking them, like, 5 times, you need to move the shot into a new syringe. Which involves the aforementioned backloading if you're using insulin syringes, as is typically available in the USA.