p.e.p pills

[AceOvArts]

today SWIM tried p.e.p pills from a shop in London. He popped 2 (which is what he was sold in a single container at about 12.30pm (no other drugs were used and no other drugs had been consumed for 48hours). The active ingredient was Piperine and Piperazine. After 1 hour of ingestion he felt a definate shift in perception, not a huge great rush or anything but definately "something" different. He yawned a lot and noticed his eyes water when he did (this was almost a mimic of the sensation sometimes felt on XTC). He was consious that his behaviour was slightly different (almost paranoid that he might look a little stoned) and felt a tiny bit giggly or happy (but this may have just been the usual interaction with people). The whole experience lasted 5 or so hours after which he had a bit of a headache.
All in all he reported that the experience was generally quite good and rather surprising given previous experiences with most other "legal" highs.
He said he would try them again, maybe try the maximum stated dose of 3 pills.

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM also took the two p.e.p. tablets that came in the container and really enjoyed the effect, similar to E but not quite as intense. Lots of energy and enhanced appreciation of music, but not as tactile. Felt more cownfident than on E. Felt tired and drained the next day but in better mod than normal. Connected with people better than normal.

[Alicia]

Thats why they so cool these P.e.p ones only. not the other types which work negativly

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM took the two capsules in the container of p.e.p. 'love' and initially thought they were too mild compared with the regular yellow p.e.p tablets; but was pleasantly surprised by their lingering lift they give both in terms of enhanced music appreciation and extra energy. SWIM Would imagine that a double dose (four tablets) would be VERY nice. They were taken at 10 in the morning and SWIM's still buzzing twelve hours later!! THey're no good mixed with alcohol and make one thirsty and one has no appetite apparently for much of the day and sleep is almost impossible. SWIM will probably feel drained for a couple days but these are nice because they cause no stomach queasiness like the 'twisted' ones. SWIM believes piperazines will inevitably be made illegal, especially since the 'Ease' pills have been banned in New Zealand, giving the impetus to get party pills banned altogether because that's how things go unfortunately.

They are subtle but give the desired effect, like MDMA but without hallicinations and are less euphoric but still very much an empathogen.

[kemistudent]

[SWIM believes piperazines will inevitably be made illegal, especially since the 'Ease' pills have been banned in New Zealand, giving the impetus to get party pills banned altogether because that's how things go unfortunately.

If I am not mistaken piperazines are illegal in the U.S, but probably not high up on the radar, much less than phenylethyamines..

Swim would like to try these someday, see what they are like in comparison to other RC's swim has used. They sound interesting, what is the come down like? Easy, hard? Depressive?

[Benga]

in SWIM's opinion p.e.p. are fun indeed, but with a lot of side effects, the most terrible one being insomnia, seconded only by feeling sick the next day, as in flu like... one of the best "legal" things swim has tried, but the night and day after sucks, which is a major drawback in swim's quest for a "clean" social booster on a night out...
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[Alicia]

after all benga it is stimulant in itself the insomnia will happen on most stimulants swim does get sickness sometimes but not always. swim doesn't get a come down on p.e.p sometime she does depends if she was drinking with them

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Alicia

after all benga it is stimulant in itself the insomnia will happen on most stimulants swim does get sickness sometimes but not always. swim doesn't get a come down on p.e.p sometime she does depends if she was drinking with them

well yes... what I meant was residual stimulation, which is way too long for SWIM. pleasant effects are gone, but you're still wired. being able to sleep only a few hours, and this long after having taken them, still feeling pretty wired the next day, much more than with amphetamine or cocaine, then flu like sickness.
but true, not much of a comedown, yet physical effects haveto be worked on to stay up. very easy to crash in the sofa after a couple of hours, and then you might feel a light sadness, easily taken caren of.

you can read stuff on them here if you want more details on what I meant

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12738

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ighlight=benga

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12989

[Alicia]

Yeah swim know what u mean when the happy stage disappears and yeah just left feeling up swim found that can be combated with some weed to take some of the edge of it. Its also seems to work very well together of course not that swim condone taking an illegal substance.. lol

[xpr´k]

Swim ones got adviced to take 1 'love' + 1 'twisted' as being the best mix of this brand.
Swim has a fair share of MDMA experience and said it wasnt anything like MDMA, if you want MDMA feeling you stuck with MDMA, no substitute swim has tried so far comes even close to what a good clean 120mg MDMA pill will make you feel like.
You'll get more energy then with MDMA and it feels alot more pushy. It reminds a bit of MDMA aldulterated with amphetamines, they have this really pushy comeon sometimes which was exactly what swim thought of when his peps started coming up.
What these pep's miss imo, is a notable increase in euphoria, maybe some visual effects but most of all music appreciation, which doesnt get enhanced at all by the pep's. Basicly peps will boost your energy, they might even lift your mood slightly but that is it.
Swim however didnt use weed when he reported this in, later on he tried the same combo again and smoked a small joint about 2 hours into the experience. He reported that weed really makes this combo ALOT better, the weed you see adds what he was first missing. Music will start sounding loads better and you can really get lost in it, it will give a nice euphoria boost and adds some tunnel vision to the whole leaving you feeling pretty mashed up for a few hours. Swim was also under the impression his weed buzz lasted longer then normal but he wont put any money on that statement.
Swim would have used to combo again if it wasnt for the painfull headaches and vertigo that started after he came down and lasted for 2 days.
Swim has experimented 4 times with different piperazine combo's mostly of the pep brand and had serious hangovers each time. It could be he's not drinking enough, he claims PEPs dont make him feel thirsty and wont give him much of a dry mouth so he usually doesnt drink alot while he's on em.
One thin he does know, he's not planning on taking anything piperazine related again in the future cause the hangover isnt worth it.
You might also wanna note that this swim really enjoys MDMA and amphetamines and does not have much trouble with the hangover of both those substances...

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by xpr´k

Swim ones got adviced to take 1 'love' + 1 'twisted' as being the best mix of this brand.

Swim herself found those particular ones un appealing. the normal YELLOW p.e.p pills however are the ones that work well for swim anyway, also the pep pills also contain different piparazine blends , The twisted made swim very depressed about bits in her life, the pep loves are shit and did nothing for swim. very mild in supposed love feeling.

So far it seems the yellow ones are the only thing worth bying in swims opinion here is list on the contents on the back for anyone who is curious

It says
"Max. Dosage 3 Capsules"
"Consult enclosed leaflet before use"
"Amino Acid Blend,Citrus Aurantium,Vit B1,B5,B6, Calcium Ascorbate,Black Pepper Extracts,Piperine,Piperazine Blend."

Reputation Comments on this post:

Thanks for the input here.

[JCE6J2]

Hey does anyone know if these pills are illegal in the U.S?

I really want to try them.

[JCE6J2]

ah I've looked around.. i guess they are illegal.

sucks!

[Mona Lisa]

They are illegal in the USA because piperazines (at least BZP) definitely is.

[psychedelaholic]

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[Abrad]

I'm curious as to how these differ to the other PEP pills considering they have the same ingredients, unless they are not listing something. Has anySWIMs tried them.

[Nagognog2]

Why do I feel like I was just spammed from a piperazine-peddler?

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Yech! Sounds like an ad for meprobamate in the 1950's! Have these idiots no shame? Time to pill the kids, Marge. You make their lunch for school, and I'll shove these down their throats!

[psychedelaholic]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Why do I feel like I was just spammed from a piperazine-peddler?

"Your pilled up, your confident, your in the zone Feel the power of pep X!"

Yech! Sounds like an ad for meprobamate in the 1950's! Have these idiots no shame? Time to pill the kids, Marge. You make their lunch for school, and I'll shove these down their throats!

Haha didn't notice the description, who the hell comes up with those taglines?

[Alicia]

I know there sad arn'nt they.