While there are similiarities the differences are substantial- no one experienced with MDMA would likely be fooled by bk-mdma.
Generally, bk-mdma is much less euphoric, and what euphoria there is tends to be much shorter lived. Also many report bk-mdma to be "speedier", especially after the main effects have worn off. There are countless other smaller differences as well.
While a mildly interesting substance in its own right I doubt you would find many who would consider it a replacement for mdma.
My fox has found that bk-mdma is noticeably different for these reasons:
1) the onset is much more rapid and speedier
2) the peak is more focussed, less tactile, less euphoric and with more of a push
3) the come-up and peak are linear and predictable, unlikethe waves of mdma
4) at higher doses, the plateau is very speedy and egocentric (sometimes)
5) the come down is sharp and fast, alike to being told you have failed an exam
6) after effects feel more toxic on the body and sleep is often hard to achieve if the fox redoses at all
7) bk-mdma is far more effective when ingested- hardly at all when insufflated
The adjective 'speedy' is often used. I remember so-called ''speedy acid."
Perhaps is "amphetamine-like"? I some ways MDMA is shares many qualities with ordinary amphetamines, which makes my horse avoid it (and MDA which just gives him a jittery feeling, like speed). The bk's, although lacking the intense ''empathy'' felt by MDMA users, which I think is almost as fake as the enthusiasms of speed, have a cleaner feel. MDMA feels somehow coarse-grained in comparison.
Its just an anecdote, but I remember seeing a video of Genesis P-Orridge doing an acid house gig, obviously high on MDMA, and saying to a member of the audience, "I know exactly how you feel'!" The answer was, "No you don't!"
BK-MDMA seems to be more addictive than MDMA-- there is more tendency to re-dose, but I don't agree that it feels more toxic than MDMA-- quite the opposite. The late Owsley didn't the like the compound much-- it's not as ''benign'' as psychedelics.
Apart from he possible comparative toxicity of BK-MDMA I agree with the above points entirely, if 'speedy' means stimulating-- a good summary.
A negative side of BK-MDMA is that I would expect that people tend to take it many more times than they take MDMA/ E. Mostly people lose interested in MDMA as the effects get less interesting every time its taken-- BK-MDMA is more like, say, cocaine, in that it still keeps on working after repeated occasional use, although much of the "magic".
BK-MDMA certainly no ecstasy replacement, thankfully- but I think MDMA is hugely over rated anyway, and have no need for anything like it, although I accept that many DF members would not agree with me!
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The only reason why I asked is because my dog got what he was told was molly from Mr. Dealer. However my dog has reason to believe this not to be true. However an experienced individual would be able to take this and tell the difference right away?
If in doubt investing in a pill testing kit seems advisable. The two compounds are easily distinguished with Marquis reagent. Methylone will turn Marquis reagent yellow (if there's a color change at all), while MDMA, MDA and the like will yield a deep purple to black color.
For SWIM, methylone would absolutely be an MDMA-equivalent drug if its effects lasted longer. The effects are almost indistinguishable for SWIM, with methylone being slightly more energetic/euphoric than pure MDMA (she likes feeling "energized" more than "relaxed"). The shorter duration and lack of a harsh comedown/"suicide Tuesday" is another bonus when compared to MDMA. It has a less toxic, more therapeutic feel. SWIM has heard people say it feels identical to ecstasy and others who see no similarities whatsoever.
How I describe it: methylone is to MDMA what MDMA is to MDA--a shorter-acting, less neurotoxic entactogen. Codone would hate to see it banned without studying its therapeutic potential.
The link in a nutshell says that bk-mdma has far less action on the serotonin transporter than mdma does. But my fox has read that its affinity for the dopamine transporter is greater. This is likely why a lot of users report bk-mdma being more 'speedy' and having a shorter come-down period, because the body can resynthesize dopamine far faster than it can with serotonin.
My fox thinks its important to take into account that a lot of mdma is cut and sometimes is cut with amphetamines. My fox has had very pure crystal mdma before and it is far, far more of a positive experience than with bk-mdma. If a fox is sensible and keeps usage down to every few months then suicide tuesday is less likely to occur.
Well my dog reports good things about bk. Its not like he's displeased. In fact he's only done molly once, and likes the bk better. However the problem was he was told by mister dealer that he was buying molly, and he actually got bk. It leaves him with a sense that he was ripped off, and should have been told before hand. He has now started getting into this whole legal high thing, and would like some sudjestions as to what to try next.