Data Collection Survey on Less Researched Compounds (so called ‘Research Chemicals’)

[illuminati boy]

Data Collection Survey on Less Researched Compounds (so called ‘Research Chemicals’)

Below are links to the results from the surveys on various largely unresearched compounds. Each post should have an overview of the results and some commentary as well as 5 attached files. The one marked ‘Final’ should have a graphic overview of the results. The other files contain much more detailed data suitable for performing more involved analysis.

Below are the results from a range of phenethylamines.


2C-B-FLY http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17456



2C-C http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17461



2C-D http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17463



2C-E http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17469



2C-I http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17470



2C-P http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17472



2C-T-2 http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17476



2C-T-7 http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17478



DOI http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17514



DOC http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17509





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	It seems he is doing a survey of some of the less researched chemicals. there really isnt much info about these chemica...
	Much needed.
	good idea
	Thanks for your dedication to the psychedelic community with such data collection.

[Solidly-here]

Dear Illuminati,

One of the Rules here at the Forum is: Do not Post links to outside websites.

It appears that you have violated that Rule. This might be a good time to EDIT your Post, before one of the Moderators does it.

[illuminati boy]

The Forum Rules do list the following:


Do not post links to warez, warez sites or sites with pornographic or objectionable content.
NO Blatant Advertising. This forum is not free advertising space. Commercial messages will be deleted on sight.
Because of attempts of several other drug discussion sites to steal members, by spamming, etc. it is no longer allowed to post links to other discussion boards.
NO Spamming.
No commercial posts or flooding the forum with useless content.


Since this is not a link to warez, does not appear to be really objectionable (it is actual research), is not commercial advertising, is not a link to another board in an attempt to ‘raid’ the board, is not spam, and is anything but useless content; I would guess it is kosher.

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[Toltec]

This is surly an exception to that rule. We are front liners to something bigger. I feel that all information pertaining to these URC's are justified. Even though the information is from Swims point of view, and is second hand info at best.

[illuminati boy]

Data Collection Survey on Less Researched Compounds (so called ‘Research Chemicals’) (the Tryptamines)

Below are links to a number of fairly comprehensive surveys on a range of tryptamines. Each survey covers one discreet compound and takes only a few minutes to complete. While they were created by this writer, just to be on the safe side you may wish to use an IP anonymizer before clicking on the link. Once a fairly decent pool of data is available this writer will post the aggregate data to this forum.


AMT

DPT

4-AcO-DET

4-AcO-DiPT

4-AcO-MiPT

4-HO-MiPT

4-HO-DiPT

4-HO-DET

5-MeO-AMT

5-MeO-DALT

5-MeO-DET

5-MeO-DiPT

5-MeO-DMT

5-MeO-DPT

5-MeO-MiPT




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[nanobrain]

i reckon this is useful. if concerned of privacy, use an IP anonymiser.

[Alfa]

I see no problem with those links. In contrary: a very good initiative IB!

[radiometer]

It seems to me that the outside links rule pertains to posts which may be interpreted as trying to poach members by other discussion boards. These links are to surveys.

I encourage members to spend some time adding to this data if they have experience with any of the named compounds. I have a feeling that this project may prove quite fruitful.

[dondante]

These surveys don't take into account dosage, which I would say is a hugely important variable. Now, I'm not saying dosage is everything, but the subjective experience of a low dose and a high dose can be entirely different. This will make it difficult to get too much useful information out of these surveys. The surveys done by sulfurous samadhi on the 2C-Ts is very good.

But ... given that we are comparing all the synthetic tryptamines and phenethylamines, I guess this is a good start. It would take a lot of work to get the same amount of detail that the 2C-T surveys got.

If it's possible, these should at least include dosage ranges, so you can separate the results for low, medium, and high doses.

Good start though...

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[illuminati boy]

Yea one would love to see something like a comprehensive dose/response study or survey done, but it is kind of tricky without getting accurate information on each and every dose and each and every experience.

Some of the persons who have taken this survey have checked the 100+ uses box while many others have only used a given compound 1 time. It would be hard to design an item to accurately capture retrospective data from such a diverse group (one that wouldn’t involve some sort of mental ‘averaging’ by the people responding, or ‘weighting’ responses, etc.). Also regarding dose, alas, one is not confident that the data here would be as accurate as it could be.

While one wants to get as much data as feasibly possible, the primary purpose of this item is to assist in providing (fairly) reliable data to promote informed decisions/harm-reduction. While some of the interesting aggregate data might end up in The Entheogen Review etc. this project will not magically convert any of these compounds into ‘researched chemicals,’ as in more traditional research terms this would be at best a pilot study, if that.

Hopefully it encourages some academics who might see it to go ‘aha dissertation idea.’ And if they do not… one might just have to do a dissertation on it themselves.

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[raven3davis]

Nice surveys. Cant believe that people have checked theover 100 box! Thats a lot of unresearched chemicals. Very good idea man this is a god contribution to this field of study. SWIM wishes you the best of luck on your research.....he has taken two surveys so far, more to come in the moring because SWIM is tired......okay maybe one more tonight!

[Alfa]

Still some of the persons who have taken the survey will most likely have entered irregular data, due to extreme dosage. This will have a distortion effect on the total outcome. I know this from experience. If you have the dosages included, you can filter out that factor and use that for new conclusions. i.e. let's say 12% of the persons who took RC A have gone above the dosage level of B and have all suffered adverse reactions C,D & E. That will give you very valuable info on RC A that IMO should not be left out in such a survey.

The same goes for the opposite: to determine the threshold dose. Users that go below the threshold dose will be disappointed as well. Their rating of the substance says nothing about the substance itself, but only about the dose they toke. This to will distort the outcome of your current survey.

Then there is the aspect of combinations. With substance surveys this is an aspect that will arise again and again. Without taking this factor into consideration the results will be distorted as well. The effects of other compounds will influence all the questions in the survey.

Getting accurate dosage info is a big problem and will also distort the survey. But if the survey attracts enough users this will be evened out quite a bit.

[napoleon in rags]

Great survey, perhaps you should post it on some other large forums and see how much of a response you get.

[Alfa]

What makes you think he hasn't?

[raven3davis]

yea this survey is posted in a few different forums. SWIM has filled out all the surveys for which he has experimentation knowledge in. Some data might be skewed but this is the first survey of this kind that SWIM has encountered. Once this survey is over, IB can get teh results and alter the next surveys if he wants. These questions are pretty basic but that is good to get the general knowledge about each substance. Dose is a big variable but maybe he can add it in to the next survey. Very good idea though and good job promoting this survey. Surely many people have filled it out so the results should be pretty accurate.

[fatal]

You left DOB-FLY off the list of phens. thought id point this out as this is one of the compounds with the least available info and it fits the list too since you have 2C-B-FLY on it.

pz

[illuminati boy]

How about this:


Bromo-Dragonfly / DOB-DFLY http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17516


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[Brie]

it's really usefullthat somebody is starting a servey , this way people can getinformed alot more.

[raven3davis]

Are these surveys just for unscheduled PEAS and tryptamines. DOB and DOM are along these same lines but illegal so SWIM is unsure if they should be part of your survery. They are unresearched chemicals though and you could obtain more information on them from surveys. SWIM noticed 2c-t-7 is on there and it is scheduled and AMT is on there too. SWIM is just wondering how you are choosing which ones to do a survey on and which ones not to do a survey on.

[nanobrain]

ultimately, i'd really love to see the consolidated data 'cleaned up' w/some robust stat analysis, so some sense can be made given all the confounds...

very good show, I_B, keep up the good work.

[illuminati boy]

As for the ones picked… I just picked the ones that seemed to be both ‘floating around’ and have otherwise generally little data on them. Pretty much most of the 2C-x and 4-HO-x and 5-MeO-xxx series are included. I can always add more (and will) it is just a little bit time consuming so I try to add to them when I have time.

Also each new survey is a little more ‘fine tuned’ than the previous ones. I wish I could go back and redo the earlier surveys to match the format of the DOB-DFLY survey, but I can’t w/o dumping the data I already have.

As for the data itself, I have access to all the data, but it is an unwieldy format at present (I would have to do some manual transformations). Once the surveys are a bit further along, I will pay to ‘upgrade’ and export the data directly to Excel &/or SPSS. I will post complete data sets to the public domain.

Hope this clears a few things up…

I am pretty optimistic about getting some at least moderately decent data. I just have been pretty busy with some other projects (believe it or not I have a life beyond computers and statistics LOL!).

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( FYI a few surveys are around the 70 response mark at this point most are in the 10-20 range and 2 are still w/o responses )

[illuminati boy]

Since these two appear to be floating around and there is VERY little data on them; I am adding a 4-AcO-MET and 4-HO-MET survey.

Neither of these surveys received any response, so there is no data to report.

4-AcO-MET


4-HO-MET



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[illuminati boy]

Ok folks, here should be some interesting attachments (HTML ZIP) that each show a brief total overview of the compounds in question. All 25 compounds that received survey responses are included in the folder. The results are in an easy to view and understand format, for those who might not be interested in full data sets.

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{Edit Funny Synchronicity… this was the 23rd response in this thread and my 42nd post…}

[illuminati boy]

Ok, will only be collecting data for about another 3-4 weeks and then all (non-identifying) data will be posted. There are currently over 463 responses to the 28 different surveys. So if you have not yet participated and would like to, the tentative cut off date is March 31st.

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[dmax]

Jeebus, someone's used DOC more than 75 times. That's (let's estimate low) 12 hours duration times 75 = 900 hours spent on DOC, or, dividing by 24 = 37 and a half days. Possible, but it feels like maybe someone checked the wrong box. Especially since this one is relatively new to popularity.

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