only the first time

[arman]

SWIM used ketamine for the first time about a year ago. and thats the only nice experience SWIM ever had. after that experience SWIM used ketamine for about 6 months but SWIM cant remember any of them. the first time SWIM was very frightened and SWIM think his inner self somehow prevent his brain to remember experiences any more because of that experience. Now SWIM has been waiting for about 5 months without using any ketamine, SWIM hopes the next time he use it he remember the experience.

SWIM wants to know if anyone experienced something like his experience? or if any one has any suggestion/idea???

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by arman

I want to know if anyone experienced something like my experience? or if any one has any suggestion/idea???

If you can't remember anything, you probably took too much. Remember it's a general anesthetic. Trying sniffing 50 mg to start with, then perhaps 100mg. More isn't necessarily better.

However, ketatmine experiences are notoriously hard to remember, partly because you have no way of comparing them with other experiences once you are back in everyday reality!

[arman]

well, thanks,

SWIM has taken anything from 35 mg to 200 mg IM injection.
in dosage less than 60 mg SWIM just enter a hallucination state that is not k-hole (or anything like that). more than 60 mg I can't remember anything else.
SWIM has also tried snorting ( ) the stuff but it only gives him the hallucinations, nothing more. But SWIM just wants to have an NDE or OBE.

SWIM has also tried IV and oral way.
BTW SWIM is 20 years old male, 120 lb.

[raven3davis]

SWIM was thinking you should lower your dose but it seems you have done just about every imaginable dose through every injestion method! Maybe y should try to write about yor experiences immedietly after you are done tripping or record yourself with a voice recorder. Another good idea would be to simply video tape yourself. Maybe it will somehow aid you in recalling what happened to you.

[arman]

SWIM has also used video tape and that doesn't help because what was recorded was just some movement and SWIM can't remember what was reason behind those movements that SWIM has done in bed.
writing reports seems to be quite nice idea but if SWIM can remember anything.
and BTW as enquirewithin said it is just meaningless for this world.

[Muirner]

try to have a friend come over, and be straight. I used to have my current g/f come over and be my "sitter" true i didnt need it sense it was only dxm, but still she could tell some funny stories...

Also sense it's a dissociative, it seems to me that when your in the k-hole your not in "true reality" and your "out of your body" (that's how i can compair it when i'm dexing)... this leads to hard to explain, or put together into one piece situations.

just a thought

Muirner

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by arman

i have also used video tape and that doesn't help because what was recorded was just some movement and I cant remember what was these movements that i have done in my bed for.
writing reports seems to be quite nice idea but if can remember anything.
and BTW as enquirewithin said it is just meaningless for this world.

OK! (I think I can get NDE experinces sniffing K, but many say they can't.)

There is another way. Take a stimulant first (like MDMA or methylone, perhaps-- or I suppose speed). This allows you to remain more conscious (and you don't need very much K) with and have some ego intact. You can remember some aspects of the experience clearly for a long time afterwards. I would advise you to go very carefully with it though, because you end up in a VERY exotic frame of mind with VERY vivid OEVs. I'm not sure you will really get to the point of an NDE this way, though, as your personality is rather dismantled but you still know who you are.

You still don't have any frame of reference for K experiences. I even find my brain trying to form new words, and apparently evn 'voice' some of them sometimes.

Marcia Moore wrote some amazingly detaled reports of her K experinces in Journeys into the Bright World, but it even if you take K they are still hard to relate to.

Just some thoughts!

[JewishNazi]

Originally Posted by raven3davis

Maybe y should try to write about yor experiences immedietly after you are done tripping or record yourself with a voice recorder. Another good idea would be to simply video tape yourself.

SWIM isnt even able to comprehend the outer world when in his 'usual' dose of ketamine letalone move. For this reason, I dont think that much speaking or writing will be done. I also dont think a video camera wil show much; it would just be a 40 minute video of SWIM lying there

[arman]

SWIM is going to try 80mg ketamine IM and SWIM has taken 20 mg Ritalin (orally) about 1 hour ago.

I will send the SWIM's experience tomorrow.

wishing SWIM & others nice trip...

[enquirewithin]

^What was that like?

[arman]

it was nice, but SWIM has a little illness before experience SWIM thinks this cause some problems during experience and overall that was nice but still can't remember the main part.

SWIM will try again next week

thanks