Why can't I feel it?

[brink]

I started smoking pot a few months ago and seized the opportunity to try ecstasy for the first time on New Year's. I took one red pill and I never felt like it kicked in. I assumed that it was just first-time jitters and that I maybe didn't notice exactly what the drug was doing and that's why I didn't feel it. So this past weekend I tried to roll again, this time with two Molly-filled capsules. They were each filled with powder that measured about 1/6 of the capsule and I swallowed the powder and then the capsules. Once again, I didn't feel any different. Is there something wrong with me? All my friends rave about ecstasy (haha) and I can't seem to understand what the big deal is. Help?

[pharmapsyche]

MDMA is an extremely unique drug. SWIM has only got the chance to try it once, but has researched it for a long time now. SWIM's experience was totally not what she was expecting, at all! SWIM wasn't disapointed, just a bit shocked by the effects of MDMA. SWIM thought it would feel more like taking a very high dose of Adderall and figured it would feel much more like speeing. But really, it was actually a clam sort of drug, by that i mean, SWIM doesn't ever remeber feeling too overwhelmed execpt at the begining of her experience when we was walking through a trail and started puking because she couldn't make it up the stairs because she her body was getting worn out easily and was getting dehydrated, and although that happen SWIM still doesn't remeber her body feeling bad at all or even worn out for that matter, SWIM just needed some water! But basically, the point i'm trying to get across to you is that, maybe you are feeling the effects of MDMA, but it's not what you expected. SWIM doesn't understand how anyone could see it as a "lets get fucked up" pill, because as Alexander Shulgin said, "MDMA is like, nothing. It's just makes you feel as if a new window has been opened".

[Nagognog2]

Not being able to do a chemical analysis on the pills your lab rat may have encountered (read the rules and look up SWIM in the search engine. TY!), I can't tell you. It could be your rat is immune to the effects of MDMA. It could be that the rat was given bogus pills. Could be the rat's friends were rolling on a placebo. Did the rat have an empty stomach before it swallowed these items? Is the rat taking an anti-depressant such as prozac or paxil? If the rat is taking an SSRI anti-depressant, which is very common these days, then the effects were likely blocked. Do let us know.

[bcStoner420]

It woulda helped if you could say if someone else used the same stuff and felt it. It could have merely been weak mdma, mabey as pharmapsyche said, mabey you felt it and didn't notice. I have a thread on here about how the amount of receptors you have for a drug increases as you use it, mabey your just a little short on receptors and needs to give it one more go? Mabey you have an overly high tolerance to the substance naturally. There are many possibilities. Did you eat just before taking the pill? explain a little more please. If what was suppose to be in the capsules was pure MDMA, telling us the color will also help. MDMA in it's purest form is colorless (white).

[Nature Boy]

You could have a fucked up high tolerance for MDMA. A guy SWIM knows needs at least five pills to get any effects at all.

[triptonaut]

Originally Posted by nature_boy_liam

You could have a fucked up high tolerance for MDMA. A guy SWIM knows needs at least five pills to get any effects at all.

One of swims friends has this same problem as well. If swim takes 2 he has to take double the amount to feel the same effects. he has a high tolerance for every drug.

[oldman]

many users have expectations for MDMA that are way off form what really happens. swim thought it would be like LSD and VIAGRA (he had never done the two but that's what his guess was).

he and MRS. swim were somewhat dissapointed initially. basically they just kinda felt nautious and uncomfortable that first time and definitely didn't feel sexy or close. Mrs. Swim did note though that although sleep that evening was somewhat fretful, she felt smarter and more introspective through the night. seemed to have pleasant feelings. they figured they did about 65-75mgs. a small dose but they were just interested in finding out if they could handle it the next time in a public setting.

about 10 days later they increased the dose to a whole pill from the same batch (about 125-150mgs) while going to see a cirque de soliel show in Vegas. this time it was completely mind blowing. after about an hour from dosing Mrs. swim had to run to the bathroom cause she was shaking and thought she' might puke. she says she sat on the toilet and her legs were just bouncing off the floor. she took a few breaths relaxed some, splashed some water on her face and went back out and fromthat time on felt like she never had in her entire life. the night got way wild after the show at a club and they rolled until about 6am. sex was great they said.

mdma seems to be one that definitely is influenced by setting and mood prior to ingestion. to feel the max effects swim says you should probably not drink a lot the first few times. definitely agrees with the empty stomach thing (no food for about 4 hours before would be best) has heard that a potato can eat those rolls right up.

you don't even know if those rolls were bunk or not either or the dosage weight so who's to say what you got. people can have the placebo effect I can imagine.

one more thing swim can agree on is that he has noticed with other first or first few times users that the effects are more easily noticed with each use. provided that it isn't to soon back. many chems need to find the shortest way to your soul he figures. some get so lost up there they're too tired to do anything once they make it. using lots of other subs when initially trying e will make the roll harder to notice and you don't have so much insight.

just swim's opinion

[brink]

I apologize for not clarifing it was a lab rat, in the future I will be more mindful. There were somewhat extentuating circumstances revolving around both experiments and I will do my best to recollect them in full.

The first time my lab rat, Ray, injested a red pill of what the thought to be ecstasy, he couldn't tell any significant difference in the way he felt. However, it was his first time trying any drug beyond pot (you should have seen the mini-bong I made for his tiny rat mouth!), and his second month trying drugs entirely. He had injested some marijuana two hours before taking the pill and swallowed it whole without anything on his stomach. Noticed no difference in mood or atmosphere and upon further reflection, assumed the pill was not very good and it must take more than one time to feel the effects.

So, enter round two. There has been much experimentation going on here in my lab and I had to use a rat that had tried LSD the night before the first time. It just so happened that I got some pure MDMA ("molly" as it's known on the streets), and I had to try it out on my rat! Especially since this particular night the rat would be attending a dance and this dance happened to be playing loud music. So I didn't let the rat smoke pot all the next day because he had just tripped acid the night before, and I gave him the two capsules, each a 1/6th filled with molly (almost pure white powder, just a hint of yellow). We went out to dinner beforehand (the capsules have to have acid to empty, correct?) and the rat and I both ate a good meal. The rat came along with me to the dance and I noticed no change in his mood or demeanor. No other rats were used in the experiment so he was the only one to judge, so the molly may have been wack.

[brink]

Any more help would be greatly appreciated. There is a light show at the Planetarium in my town next weekend and I would very much like to roll, but I don't want to waste my money if I'm not going to feel anything again. And I don't want to die if I decide to take three or four pills because I have a high innate tolerance, as some of you suggested.

Thanks.

[FrankenChrist]

Did the molly look like very fine table salt?

I'm guessing the first one was fake, and the second time the rat got cross tolerance, from using it after the acid.

[jduba]

are you on any anti-depressants? they will lock your seritonin reuptake inhibitors up and makes it very possible you will not roll. ex. celexa, zoloft

[raven3davis]

SWIM thinks you got bunk X, straight up. Tolerance might be a factor but if the X is good, you will feel it alomst definitely. The MDMA in 4tabs of X wont be enough to kill you but there could be enough caffiene and meth to cause some adverse side effects. Hell, there could even be some research chemicals there is not telling.

Maybe you need to get a test kit. If that molly is real then the person who gave it to you should know how many mg are in each pill and they should let you test it. It seems to SWIM that you were just unlucky and got some bunk tabs. If they were bomb then you surely would have felt something.

Out of all the rats SWIM knows none of them have had to take more than one GOOD tab to roll. There might be a few exceptions to this but you should have atleast felt something from one tab or two molly capsules.

Try a different source and a different tab. Check pillreports to see if anyone has tested the tab and what they think of it. Try testing a tab that has been confirmed to be good by some friends or foafs.

[nanobrain]

^there's an idea. why dont you just test the flippin powder with the standard reagents? if it is indeed MDMA, 2mg/kg on an empty stomach should definitely produce the desired fx.

[brink]

Thank you for all the advice, I appreciate it. As far as the molly being fake, it's possible as I went through a friend of a friend. I don't really know him, though, and I don't want to waste any more money on test kits and more capsules. I asked my dealer about the first pill the rat took, and he confirmed it was a red apple. Apparently these are not very good, so I might just need to use more. Once again, thank you for all your help.

[a-SalviaLover]

In my opinion it just didn't contain MDMA. I just can't imagine not feeling the effects of MDMA at all. Although this happens to some people during the first tries with weed, where I can't imagine it, too.

[nanobrain]

in my not so fucking humble opinion, brink, i suggest you stop being a cheapskate and fork over the money for the reagent testers. simple economics - you will never have to buy nonfunctional pills and powders again. you said they are weak so you need more. how do you / he know what they contain? buy a damned tester, not more shitty pills.

p.s. did you catch the empty stomach bit?

[raven3davis]

In SWIMs experience tabs with apples have not been very good but this is just by region though. Some tabs do tend to suck a bit more than others and SWIm has noticed that the apple press tablets have been bunk. One batch felt like caffiene and another was just some other random mix of bunk chemicals. You should really get a tester instead of taking more than one of the apple tabs. If one tab doesnt get you somewhat desired effects then the tab sucks.

Even if the tab is pretty bad, if it has a bit of mdma like atleast 50mg you should have felt it. If one tab doesnt do anyhting to you then two tabs will probably do the same. Stick with a tab that has been confirmed to be active. The presses always change but SWIM has noticed that apple tabs are generally bunk. He has seen two different bunk apple tabs actually not that this matters.

[addicted2hc]

SWIM has been having the same problem. SWIM has tried rolling 2 different times now, once with 1 pill of Green Motorola, the other time with a green pill with a Batman symbol on it, and each time he felt close to nothing. Each time his friends both reported feeling the roll pretty hard the first time, and one claiming it was he was rolling "harder then ever before".

SWIM was prescribed zoloft, and is now prescribed lexapro, could this be the cause? Whats the best way to avoid not feeling the roll? stop taking the medication for a few days?

[nanobrain]

gee. SSRI's making MDMA not work? hmmm. where oh where have we heard this before? oh, that's right, everywhere.

SSRI's comletely negate any MDMA effects.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by addicted2hc

SWIM has been having the same problem. SWIM has tried rolling 2 different times now, once with 1 pill of Green Motorola, the other time with a green pill with a Batman symbol on it, and each time he felt close to nothing. Each time his friends both reported feeling the roll pretty hard the first time, and one claiming it was he was rolling "harder then ever before".

SWIM was prescribed zoloft, and is now prescribed lexapro, could this be the cause? Whats the best way to avoid not feeling the roll? stop taking the medication for a few days?

yeah, swim was on effexor (another ssri for those that don't know) he was aware of the interference with mdma and was not happy with the effects of the antidepressant and went off it after 6 months or so. he had been off for 2 weeks and tried to roll but never really got anywhere. through research here I was able to find that effexor as well as most ssri's can still remain in your blood for up to month after going off.

the only antidepressant that doesn't seem to have the ssri's dulling effects (at least not as bad that is) seems to be welbutrin. probably because it's a dopamine agonist.

as for acid in the stomach after eating as mentioned above -- there's always acid in the stomach dude. food tends to neutralize acids. any substance will usualy be dulled when taken with food. the only reason to ever take food with meds would be if you needed to buffer the substance from upsetting your stomach. shouldn't need that for mdma.

swim recommends maybe using a more reliable source and or getting the mentioned test regents. it usually depends on your area as to whether they have good beans or not. and you cannot always rely on web sites. a red apple or blue dolphin from Frisco might not be the same as the same thing from dayton ohio. many people use the online tests to duplicate and try to pass off pills that look similar. it can be a hassle finding the real deal.

[jduba]

SWEAR had o friend on zoloft who couldnt roll cause of the meds. ani-depressants will kill you chances to roll. or you coulda got ripped!

[Nagognog2]

For anyone out there who is chemically inclined and knows how to read a molecular diagram: Look up Zoloft and compare it's structure to MDA/MDMA. You'll howl!

[oldman]

utopianpharm is a long paper on e and it's relationships with popular antidepressants. welbutrin (and swim attests)seems to be one of the few that don't get in the way.

can't remember about maoi's but don't think it's a good thing. if your doc is prescribing thoes than nothings worked so far, just do yourself a favor stay away from anything like mdma or any other crap someone sells ya.

[jduba]

i have no clue about the molecular formulas! NONE so no howling here (sorry) but for some reason after not taking meds for a couple weeks rolling was a breeze. sorry to get any panties in a wad