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Old 10-03-2011, 07:35
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Can kissing someone transfer the xanax?

Hey whats up?

So one of my friends, his girlfriends nephew was wondering about something.

This is the story I heard:

The nephew who we will call Daisy the yellow goblin was making out with a person at a club who had apparently snorted a couple xanax sticks earlier on in the night.

Daisy the yellow goblin heard about this after they had been kissing and became paranoid that some of that xanax would get into her system, causing her to test positive on a drug test this friday.

Does this story sound too ridiculous to be possible- or should Daisy the yellow goblin be concerned?

Bottom line, can making out with someone who has snorted xanax cause some xanax to get into the other persons system?

Daisy says she did not detect any high/xanax effects.

Daisy is probably just paranoid as hell. What do you think? Wouldn't the xanax have been dissolved/ingested already? How could it linger in mouth to be transferred?
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Old 10-03-2011, 08:00
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Re: Can kissing someone transfer the xanax?

Unlikely. Saliva is 98% water. Any part of Xanax (Alprazolam) that is maintained in the saliva is likely to contain only very small trace amounts of it's worthless inactive metabolites, which would be quickly broken down by the receiving kisser's body if they were actually ingested.

The only way SWIM can conceive of the yellow goblin testing positive is if kisser in question crushed and snorted a xanax, then immediately initiated the make-out session. Now what most club druggie idiots don't know is that Alprazolam is largely not soluble in water and is therefore almost worthless to snort, but if that is the case it is possible that some of the "drip" from a xanax snort could have been exchanged in the saliva.

However even if it was exchanged, SWIM would guess that the chances of daisy the yellow goblin testing positive for metabolites of alprazolam is pretty low.

Alprazolam has a veeeeeeery short half life, and around 90% of Alprazolam is converted into alpha-hydroxy-alprazolam by the liver, the rest is excreted by itself in the urine. The alpha-hydroxy metabolite has a half life of 10-15 hours depending on metabolism; so it SHOULD be gone from the goblin's body by friday; assuming any was ingested at all.

The person would literally have to be spitting wads of xanax filled mucosa out of their mouth and into the goblin's in order for them to test positive. If the individual snorted the Xanax an hour or several hours before, this really wouldn't be possible.

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Old 10-03-2011, 08:15
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Re: Can kissing someone transfer the xanax?

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Unlikely. Saliva is 98% water. Any part of Xanax (Alprazolam) that is maintained in the saliva is likely to contain only very small trace amounts of it's worthless inactive metabolites, which would be quickly broken down by the receiving kisser's body if they were actually ingested.

The only way SWIM can conceive of the yellow goblin testing positive is if kisser in question crushed and snorted a xanax, then immediately initiated the make-out session. Now what most club druggie idiots don't know is that Alprazolam is largely not soluble in water and is therefore almost worthless to snort, but if that is the case it is possible that some of the "drip" from a xanax snort could have been exchanged in the saliva.

However even if it was exchanged, SWIM would guess that the chances of daisy the yellow goblin testing positive for metabolites of alprazolam is pretty low.

Alprazolam has a veeeeeeery short half life, and around 90% of Alprazolam is converted into alpha-hydroxy-alprazolam by the liver, the rest is excreted by itself in the urine. The alpha-hydroxy metabolite has a half life of 10-15 hours depending on metabolism; so it SHOULD be gone from the goblin's body by friday; assuming any was ingested at all.

The person would literally have to be spitting wads of xanax filled mucosa out of their mouth and into the goblin's in order for them to test positive. If the individual snorted the Xanax an hour or several hours before, this really wouldn't be possible.
Daisy the yellow goblin thanks you for the intelligent and informative reply- Daisy the yellow goblin is impressed by this forum.

Daisy the yellow goblin doesnt believe that "wads of xanax filled mucosa" were spit into her mouth- she didnt taste it or feel any effects. And Daisy is certain that the snorting of the sticks did not occur right before the kissing, might not have been hours before, but certainly not immediately preceding the making out.

But Daisy wants to clarify one thing- SWIM is saying that even if some small amount in saliva was transferred, by the exaggerated scenario suggested (the spitting of wads of xanax mucous), that by friday 2pm daisy would be OK on the test?
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Old 10-03-2011, 08:21
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Re: Can kissing someone transfer the xanax?

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Daisy the yellow goblin thanks you for the intelligent and informative reply- Daisy the yellow goblin is impressed by this forum.

Daisy the yellow goblin doesnt believe that "wads of xanax filled mucosa" were spit into her mouth- she didnt taste it or feel any effects. And Daisy is certain that the snorting of the sticks did not occur right before the kissing, might not have been hours before, but certainly not immediately preceding the making out.

But Daisy wants to clarify one thing- SWIM is saying that even if some small amount in saliva was transferred, by the exaggerated scenario suggested (the spitting of wads of xanax mucous), that by friday 2pm daisy would be OK on the test?
Correct, SWIM is 99% sure that diasy will be good to go by friday. If Daisy is not... well, then daisy ingested some metabolites of alprazolam from that kiss and has EXTREMELY poor liver function to the point where the metabolites would still be present in urine... it really is next to the impossible in SWIMs estimation however. Daisy would have to have the liver enzymes of a 80 year old woman to metabolize that slowly.

hope this helps.


edit: if Daisy's paranoia still prevails, SWIM would recommend drinking as much water as possible (100+ ounces a day if necessary) to flush her system, as Alprazolam and metabolites are excreted primarily through urea produced by the kidneys. Exercise, sweating, vomiting and pooping will not aid significantly in its removal from the body.

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Old 10-03-2011, 09:44
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Re: Can kissing someone transfer the xanax?

Actually, it can.

I have a friend (I'll call her Katie) who is a recovering heroin addict. Part of her treatment/punishment for getting caught was to participate in Drug Court. She was also ordered to stay off drugs (obviously).

I have another friend (I'll call her Crazy) who, once a year goes on a cocaine binge. Last year, the two of them and a little kitten I have drove together to go get it. When they got home Crazy pulls out the bag, cuts up some lines, and she and the kitten both get feeling good.

About this time they realize Katie is going to be late for drug court. So rather than drop everyone off at their separate vehicles, they all go together to the court house. Crazy tends to get very horny while under the influence of..well...anything, and Katie has a thing for Crazy, so they end up making out before we all go inside.

Three of us went in, two of us came out. Katie was drug-tested, as usual, and popped positive for cocaine, and sent to County. It took us a week to figure out that the drip transferred from Crazy's throat to her mouth, and then from her tongue to Katie's. Drug Court did some research, figured out it was in fact plausible, and let her go.

So. Yes, it's possible. If you're snorting the xanax. Anything with a drip can be transferred. Just from popping them though would be unlikely.
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Old 10-03-2011, 11:33
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Re: Can kissing someone transfer the xanax?

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Actually, it can.

I have a friend (I'll call her Katie) who is a recovering heroin addict. Part of her treatment/punishment for getting caught was to participate in Drug Court. She was also ordered to stay off drugs (obviously).

I have another friend (I'll call her Crazy) who, once a year goes on a cocaine binge. Last year, the two of them and a little kitten I have drove together to go get it. When they got home Crazy pulls out the bag, cuts up some lines, and she and the kitten both get feeling good.

About this time they realize Katie is going to be late for drug court. So rather than drop everyone off at their separate vehicles, they all go together to the court house. Crazy tends to get very horny while under the influence of..well...anything, and Katie has a thing for Crazy, so they end up making out before we all go inside.

Three of us went in, two of us came out. Katie was drug-tested, as usual, and popped positive for cocaine, and sent to County. It took us a week to figure out that the drip transferred from Crazy's throat to her mouth, and then from her tongue to Katie's. Drug Court did some research, figured out it was in fact plausible, and let her go.

So. Yes, it's possible. If you're snorting the xanax. Anything with a drip can be transferred. Just from popping them though would be unlikely.
A great example of a failed court ordered drug test, but metabolites of cocaine last several days longer than metabolites of Alprazolam,not too mention that cocaine's water solubility is vastly different from a benzodiazepine like alprazolam, so a comparison isn't realistically comprehensible. Sorry to point out that it just isn't comparable.

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Re: Can kissing someone transfer the xanax?

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Actually, it can.

I have a friend (I'll call her Katie) who is a recovering heroin addict. Part of her treatment/punishment for getting caught was to participate in Drug Court. She was also ordered to stay off drugs (obviously).

I have another friend (I'll call her Crazy) who, once a year goes on a cocaine binge. Last year, the two of them and a little kitten I have drove together to go get it. When they got home Crazy pulls out the bag, cuts up some lines, and she and the kitten both get feeling good.

About this time they realize Katie is going to be late for drug court. So rather than drop everyone off at their separate vehicles, they all go together to the court house. Crazy tends to get very horny while under the influence of..well...anything, and Katie has a thing for Crazy, so they end up making out before we all go inside.

Three of us went in, two of us came out. Katie was drug-tested, as usual, and popped positive for cocaine, and sent to County. It took us a week to figure out that the drip transferred from Crazy's throat to her mouth, and then from her tongue to Katie's. Drug Court did some research, figured out it was in fact plausible, and let her go.

So. Yes, it's possible. If you're snorting the xanax. Anything with a drip can be transferred. Just from popping them though would be unlikely.
This all is highly speculatory.
The Case of Katie's was Cocaine which has totally other metabolistic features than Alprazolam.
Like said above, one would have to have the metabolism of an eighty-year old to have remains of metabolites caught up by kissing in the urine until Friday.
So I think it is nearly impossible that Daisy the yellow goblin will be Alprazolam-tested positively. Drinking much will help.

Inadequate answers to the OPs question should not unsettle Daisy.

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Old 10-03-2011, 12:03
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Re: Can kissing someone transfer the xanax?

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This all is highly speculatory.
The Case of Katie's was Cocaine which has totally other metabolistic features than Alprazolam.
Like said above, one would have to have the metabolism of an eighty-year old to have remains of metabolites caught up by kissing in the urine until Friday.
So I think it is nearly impossible that Daisy the yellow goblin will be Alprazolam-tested positively. Drinking much will help.

Inadequate answers to the OPs question should not unsettle Daisy.

Love and good vibes

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Agreed. Also worthy of note, straight alprazolam has a noticeably yucky chemical taste to it that is QUITE distinguishable from normal human saliva/H2O, to the point where it would make it uncomfortable or even gross to vapidly make out with someone who has been crushing and snorting the drug. It really is quite disgusting tasting. Really; really just gross, rancid saliva; and this is coming from someone who takes Xanax (alprazolam) every day for medicinal purposes.

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Old 10-03-2011, 12:21
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Re: Can kissing someone transfer the xanax?

Well Damn. I stand corrected.

You have a point Roads. It does taste pretty bad.
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Re: Can kissing someone transfer the xanax?

Question. Daisy knows that at this point it doesn't matter now, bit she is curious whether drinking a mix of fluids is just as good as drinking only pure water in trying to flush the system?

For example, Arizona fruit punch, Arizona mango green tea, mcdonalds sweet tea, root beer,

Daisy says she also consumed some water bottles and quite a few large glasses of water.

Daisy claims that she dranks a whole gallon of Arizona fruit punch between 3AM and 6AM after having been out that night until 130AM(when Daisy claims that the kiss took place)...

Daisy is curious whether that fluid intake helped her flush her system or did that not help too much because the possible drug ingestion not reached a point yet where it could be flushed out yet. (Daisy hopes that she doesn't sound too irrational and SWIM can understand her worries)

Daisy the yellow goblin took her screen on friday and wont know if she has a problem for another couple days. She keeps telling herself that if she didnt taste any xanax or feel any effects of xanax then how could it show up in a drug screen. But then Daisy the yellow goblins ocd charges back with assertions that she did actually taste xanax (but daisy the yellow goblin suspects it was probably bad breath, daisy the yellow goblin also doesnt think that a person could withstand a xanax drip without getting something to drink due to its horrid taste, so how could a person have xanax drip residue present in mouth during kiss unless it happened at same time as snorting... and the wheel keeps turning....

Daisy the yellow goblin hopes someone will find this amusing as a glimpse into how ocd can affect a yellow goblin, but the yellow goblin isnt amused at all...

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