DPT via IM injection?

[Sarin]

OK, so first post and I promise I U(d)TFSE - in fact used it to read every thread that mentions the substance - but couldn't find quite the info needed so if anyone could help I'm sure someone would be most grateful...

Hypothetically speaking, if someone were to aquire DPT Hcl for reasons unknown and wanted to self-administer an injection via the IM route what would be the best way they might want to go about it - what would be the best liquid to use to dissolve the DPT with and what ratio would need to be used regarding DPT:liquid?

Also what would the best site for the injection - would it be possible to inject into the calf for instance or would another site be better advised? And is there anything else this person might want to consider?

Ta muchly - the novel I'm writing would benefit greatly from this information!

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[Sarin]

OK, so I'm being a little sad and replying to my own post - but just in case anyone else is interested in this method for this substance this is what I dug up using other FSE's...

From Erowid...

Preparation of Solution for Intramuscular Injection:

I carefully measured out 1g of DPT Hcl and initially placed it into precisely 10ml of sterile 0.9% nacl solution. It would hardly dissolve at all so I further diluted it to a total of 30cc, still having some difficulty getting it to all go into solution. Applying a small amount of heat (warm tap water bath) caused it to immediately go into solution and stay in solution. It may have gone into solution at the 10ml/gm with a small amount of heat, but I'll have to leave that for future experiments. This was all done using strict sterile technique, the only material being nonsterile was the dpt. The solution was then run thru a sterile millipore (.2ug) filter for a final concentration of about 30mg/ml.

And then from a site called helpingaddicts.net...

Into your muscle (intramuscularly)

If you want to reduce the risk of infected or collapsed veins, or if you haven’t any good veins left – then you could try injecting into a muscle. The safest injection site is your upper arm. Some users choose to inject into the upper thigh but a great deal of care needs to be taken not to inject into the sciatic nerve. You can reduce the risk by picking a sight six inches below the hips and six inches above the knee. Alternate limbs each time and inject into a different place within the ‘safe’ areas each time.

As with veins, each injection will leave a residue which may leave your arm/leg feeling stiff for a while and, also as in veins, eventually you will not be able to inject there because of the residue build-up.

If you are going to inject into a muscle, remember the following:

Use blue (0.6mm) or green (0.8mm) needles - Orange needles (1ml Myjector/Insulin) are too short for injecting into muscle, they may break
The muscle should be relaxed
Ensure veins are avoided
Inject in one fluid movement
Rub the area afterwards to disperse the fluid and minimise the risk of abscess
Hit big fleshy areas such as the outside of your upper arm, the top of your thigh or your butt.
Avoid the bony areas below your elbow or knees - especially around your wrist.

TECHNIQUE

Get your leg comfortable, straight and relaxed. The more tension there is in the muscle, the more it will hurt to inject.
Clean the injection site with a sterile swab.
Take hold of the barrel of the syringe and push the needle into your leg with one quick stab. Make sure that nearly all the needle goes in.
Draw back on the plunger – if you get blood, it means you’ve hit a vein (or an artery!). Draw the needle out ¼ inch and pull back again. If no more blood, then keeping your leg relaxed - Inject slowly, pull the needle out and dispose of it safely.

From what I gathered my character would be unwise in using his calf as a possible site of IM injection and would be better off with the upper thigh - the upper arm seems a little too fiddly.

If anyone feels any of this is mistaken, or has anything to add someone would still be grateful!

[Jatelka]

"If you want to reduce the risk of infected or collapsed veins, or if you haven’t any good veins left – then you could try injecting into a muscle":

Yeah, you could, if you don't mind the possibility of abscess formation. IMing is all very well in a medical environment with clean gear and sterile water to dissolve your stuff. Realistically are you going to be able to achieve this? Every single time?

Agree your calf is a very bad place to go: Inadvertant iv administration (especially if stuff not clean) is asking for a DVT.

Bear in mind if you are going to IM then you need to think about total volume to be injected (never more than a ml or so) and be aware that it will "sting". Pain can be reduced by entering the skin at a 60 degree angle and by administering drug smoothly but not too quickly.

Please think hard about this method of administration. SWIM has seen too many complications in users to recommend it at all.

[Sarin]

Yes, the more I have read generally on the subject the more dubious this method of administration seems, paticularly as my character has no experience of needles whatsoever. I think I'll write him trying more standard routes first, seeing how he interacts with the substance to see if it's even worth considering him going the IM route.

Many thanks though for the advice.

[raven3davis]

SWIM has always wanted to IM dpt he has heard the experience is INTENSE. SWIM thinks he would mix it a bit more than 10mg/ml because that would mean 1ml would be a STRONG dose. If you accidentally got 1.1ml that would be ten extra mg. SWIM thinks you just have to be precise with this method because unlike smoking, you will get every bit of the DPT.

[allyourbase]

the best liquid would be volatized water or maybe a bit of ethyl solution. shoot it in the gluteous. it will better regulate the delivery of the substance to your blood stream. aim for the middle. it will hurt like hell, maybe for a few days. anyone whos been shot with diazapam under a plastic sheet will attest to this.

[Nagognog2]

Stanislav Groff wrote extensively on DPT used I.M. in his book: The Human Encounter With Death. The typical dosage was 70mg.

[Sarin]

Many thanks for that book info Mr. Moderator - just read up on it and it seems to fit in perfectly with my character's aims. A copy has now been duly ordered for research.

I'll be writing him as taking a careful lead up into the DPT, but will want him to have if at all possible his first encounter with it to be a full-blown one, but there are lots of avenues to explore first, not to mention a little time before it will be possible for him anyway (in regards an attempt at a full immersive experience). I was thinking of having him go the ayahuasca route and trying it with Caapi - anyone have any experience of this method?