Rip off deals

[Woodman]

I HATE rip-offs with a passion!!



The reason there are so many rip-off culprits is because there are so many users who TOLERATE them as a part of doing business.



That is NOT RIGHT!



Bring down rip-offs in whatever way you can. Spread the word about them. Take photos if you have to and show them around, Or just snitch the f*ckers out.



Just get rid of them.



Out-of-sight = out-of-mind.

Remember that, and MAKE them go away.



Okay, enough rant!

Sorry!

Now, back on topic.

[davidBuster23]

I get the feeling that there will always be an endless supply of scam artists. Take a few off the streets and there will be a few more to take their place. It's no different than crooked government officials, auto mechanics,or get-rich-quick schemes. We can rant all we want and fight all we want, but in the end it's up to us as consumers to know when to avoid a scam.

I believe if u get scammed u deserve it.. and also its a good thing... cause it will teach u not to go to person you dont know for goods... cause it could have been worse could of been a sting against u... so your lucky not to be in jail.. .so go through who u know.. dont be dumb... otherwise except your fate...

[Woodman]

<blockquote>Originally posted by ImAjEw on 10 June 2004 <hr>
... your lucky not to be in jail.. .so go through who u know.. dont be dumb... otherwise except your fate...<hr></blockquote>

I must respectfully disagree.



I could expound on this perspective by applying it to other instances of breach (personal property, individual rights, etc.) but why bother.



Just because some drugs have been subjectively criminalized be myopic political institutions and authoritarian governments doesn't relegate ME to underworld status; nor is it the DETERMINANT of my capitulation to underworld standards!



Imagine YOUR CAR being stolen just because YOU were momentarily unaware of where your car keys were. Imagine a cop arriving on scene. you explain what happened, then he tells you, "Don't be dumb! Accept your fate."



This shit is NOT ACCEPTABLE!



You can take your chances and CHOOSE to live in the jungle amidst wild animals.



I, however, CHOOSE to live in a community of men, among civilized people.



By the way: “Ratting (snitching) out” someone is only a crime AMONG CRIMINALS. If you’re squared away (ie.: not a criminal, not a rip-off), you’ve got little to fear.



Okay, this is REALLY far off topic so if the next post isn't Neds (Netherlands) related then I recommend moving all relavent posts to a newer (more appropriaely titled) topic, so if you respond you'll still be heard.



Fair enough?

i meant dont be dumb not in that way... but as in dont just go up to people and ask if they have drugs... not dont be dumb as in dont question why it happened... so just use common sense and go to people that are more reliable... that have had business that u know of...



this could happen even in netherlands... um is that on topic now?

[hollywood]

In Georgia, you only rip someone off one time. They will never do it again............................................. .................................................. ..........In the south, we have ways of dealing with people like that. Also people who talk too much to................................................ .........................................

[sunyata]

I once got old opium, when I had asked for hash, but I didn't really complaint. It is one of the most immoral things you can do as a pusher, though. Don't sell stuff under the pretense of it being something else. Besides, I agree with all of you, if you buy from someone you don't know you should calculate a certain risk, but that shouldn't stop you from fucking up the guy/girl who ripped you of. You deserve what you get from them, and they deserve what they get from you.

[D.U.M.B]

I have only been ripped off a few times and at the end of the day what did I do? . Ever person who has ripped me off, has gotten a lecture and I have never dealt with again and recommend friends NOT to go to him/her. In one case I had to punch out a guy, who tried to run away with 50 euro's of mine, dumb bastard was too cocky and thought I didn't know him (went to school with him). I met him the next day and well I don't need to give details, made a profit of 20 euro and a quater of hash and haven't spoken to this guy since

[hosh]

I would alwasys be cautious of all purchases aside from the quality of what your buying you can check the weight for all inexperienced buyers if your dealer has a postal scale the weigh a nickel and it should read 5 grams so if he has tampered with it it will weigh heavy just remember that an ounce is 28.7g 1/2 is 14.35 1/4 is 7.175 1/8 is 3.587and 1/16 is 1.793

[P!MPJU!C3]

Originally Posted by ImAjEw

this could happen even in netherlands...

what a great quote, on the record.

Rip offs r part of a free market. I dont believe in the free market. The free market is an ideal system, in an ideal situation. Socialisme would have worked in Germany, not in Russia.

What kind off rip offs r we talkin bout? Drug rip-offs, clothes rip-offs, softdrink rip-offs or rip-offs in general?

[ToxicMind]

Dealers that rip people off will regret it in the end. I was ripped off one time, when i came home and weighed my stuff on my scale it came up short. I never went to that dealer again and neither did my friends. So in the end he is losing thousands of dollars and we are happy doing business with someone else. -K

[club222]

I always go through people I know. On occasion though I will go through
somebody new. Whenever I go, I always ask them if it's ok if I weigh it
while I'm still there. I've actually had a couple people be like, "yeah
thats cool, hold on I'll be right back." They would then take the bag
with them and I'm assuming that they added more to the bag because when
they come back, it always seems to be a little more full Not many
people I know take scales with them when they buy so I think it just
comes as a shock to the dealer when I pull one out. I've never had
anybody tell me no I can't weigh it. Works every time.

Im gonna play an asshole for a minute and snich on a famous rapper...

I have a friend who works at a local brewery where they often times let bands play. One day, for a celebration, Del The Funky Homosapien played there... Welllllll, my friend is a dealer of weed. Only does it among friends and people he trusts. Well del had heard that he dealt, so he went up to him and asked him for an ounce. My friend didnt have any marijuana on him at the time, only like a50 bag for himself. a personal stash.
Well del wanted to see it to check the quality, and right as he pulled out the bag, my friend's boss walked up and saw him dealing, the boss said "Finsh ur drug-deal and get back to work before i fire you". Del pulled out a 5$ bill, hands it to my friend, and grabbs the bag, then says "Hey man, at least you still got your job" and walked back to the bus.

THE NERVE OF THAT ASSHOLE!!!!!!

To make the entire situation even more annoying, in the middle of the show, Del pulled out a joint and started smokin it on stage...... a joing containing my friend's stash.... fucking rappers.....


The moral? Download Del's music instead of buying it... serves his ass right.

[lolomgwtfbbq]

Do you guys think it's acceptable to narc on somebody
who rips people off? I've heard of people doing this before & I
personally think that narcing is narcing no matter how much of an
asshole the person you're narcing on is.</font>

[sunyata]

It's a little bit cowardly, if you don't have the guts to fuck him up yourself, should you send someone else to do it? Besides, if his a dishonest pusher he might drag others down with him just to get a lower sentence.Gather some friends, arm yourselves with steel-pipes and pay him a visit. Or just leave the fucker alone, vengeance isn't likely to make him a more honest pusher, so why bother? Just spread the word that he's a hustler, put him out of business.

[Woodman]

Originally Posted by lolomgwtfbbq

Do you guys think it's
acceptable to narc on somebody who rips people
off? I've heard of people doing this before & I
personally think that narcing is narcing no matter
how much of an asshole the person you're narcing
on is.*

If you ever expect to see drug use decriminalized it is
incumbent upon YOU, as a user, to remove the
criminal elements that are associated with it.

Perpetuating a jailhouse "No snitch" policy is fine, as
long as it's confined to criminals in the jailhouse, but
when you bring that kind of behavior into a free
society you are fostering acceptance of criminal
behavior as a general practice in a free economy.

I do not find that to be an acceptable way of doing
business, on ANY level.

Drugs are doomed to remain criminalized, as long
as users continue to tolerate the criminal behavior
that has become commonplace in the commerce of
drugs.

[sunyata]

I don't really think drugs are illegal because people are ripping each other off. Besides, it is the laws that generate the criminal behaviour in drug-users. If a junkie needs 50 euro a day for his habit, he has to finance this in some way, otherwise he gets sick. In switzerland they had/have a project in which the junkies gets free shots(heroin) at health-clinics, and they are offered jobs. Needless to say, these people don't steal or cheat, because they don't have to. So I think it has to be the other way around, if society wants to get rid of crime asociated to drugs, they have to make them available at reasonable prices and quit excluding drug-users from society. That doesn't mean they should be sold unrestricted to everyone, only to those who are heavily addicted. At the same time you could monitor the health of these individuals and give them medical treatment if needed, as well as getting them into some kind of dialogue about voluntarily quitting. I'm not saying it would be easy, but a lot more likely to succeed than the War on Drugs.

[Woodman]

I don't understand how this relates to rip-offs.

Are you suggesting that decriminalization should be
restricted for purposes of recovery that is limited to
the hardest users while the more casual drug users
should be subject to criminal penalties and criminal
predators of the underground market?

If so, I say to hell with that!

Let's get drug use AND drug commerce out in the
open, once-and-for-all!

You do that and you will effectively eliminate the
criminal element, both on the street corner and the in
the organized cartels that are responsible for
production and distribution.

[sunyata]

Woodman, it seems we have the same opinion, no, of course I don't think hard drug users should be decriminalized and not recreational users, all drug use should be decriminalized. It just sounded to me like you thougt the reason drugs were illegal was because pushers were hustling, reading your post again I see I may have been interpreting it differently than you intended, my apologies. I agree that drug-related crime is usually a function of the laws, rather than the drugs themselves. It would be very silly to allow people to do heroin when their addicted and at the same time criminalize weed smokers for not being addicted.

[enquirewithin]

Its true that the illegal drug trade is caused by the illegality of drugs, NOT the other way round. As far "snitching" on people who rip you off, isn't that just helping the authorities who caused the problem? (Could you be next?)


As for long time heroin addicts, many can't give up and should be given quality opiates (not methadone, which is in many ways worse!), for ever if need be, but it is unfair that soft drug users still get busted!

[axeman]

in canberra,australia i believe you will not be in trouble if you are caught with an ounce of pot on you for personal use or have a max of 5 plants growing on your property, im not sure of the exact details, but is it any cheaper than anywhere else? NO.&nb sp;&nb sp;&nb sp;&nb sp;&nb sp;&nb sp;&nb sp;&nb sp;


as for snitching,think of it as helping the opposition.(the polizi)


when i called the cops for seeing a husband beat his wife,they never came. 2 days later when someone called the same cops to bust me for smoking pot,they were there instantaneously.


sorry to say, but getting ripped off (with drugs)is a part of the whole scene.all the good deals and the bad ones balance eachother out.





ps make your own!!!

[Woodman]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

... As far "snitching" on
people who rip you off, isn't that just helping the
authorities who caused the problem? (Could you be
next?)

That's how it works in prison, but prison life means
to live in a world of criminals and endure criminal
behavior.

For those of us who have no wish to harm, cheat,
steal, or in any other way hurt or defraud others, this
concept is unacceptable in a civilized society.

If you went to a car dealer and paid for a Porsche,
only to have some fucker drive up three days later to
deliver a rusty old Yugo to your house, would you
NOT use the law in order to get some measure of
recompense, if not at least to prevent the
continuation of such an overtly underhanded
practice?

Why is it that you're willing to tolerate cheats and act
like a con when it comes to use drugs, but if you got
ripped of in any legal transaction you'ld report it?


I don't see the logic in this mindset.

It doesn't make sense to operate by criminal
standards if you ever expect to turn public opinion
toward legitimate drug use.

By removing a cheat, you're not helping the cops, but
you are helping to clean-up the commercial
underground where drug trafficking takes place; that
means you're helping you, me and everyone else
who buys a bag to make sure that they get a square
deal.

I look at it as one small step that we all can take as
advocates working toward legitimizing recreational
drug use.

Since we're not all living in the penn, don't you think
it's time to start thinking outside of the box?

[enquirewithin]

I take your point Woodman. It is a good one in many ways-- in fact, there are some individuals who I can think of some who would richly deserve some kind of punishment. Yes, we should expect dealers to have business ethics (many do, so I am told!) and too many think they are doing the customer a favour instead of providing a service. The so-called 'war o drugs' effectively funds them!


There are some problems though: (a) who decides when a dealer shloud be 'punished'? (b) How to stop 'come backs' to your self.

[Woodman]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

]There are some problems
though: (a) who decides when a dealer shloud be
'punished'? (b) How to stop 'come backs' to your self.

(a) Any merchant is responsible for his product,
regardless of the manufacturers defects.

Any dispute between a merchant and his
manufacturer is between THEM, and not the
consumer!

I doubt that you're actually from online in china (as
your profile says) because you risk exposure by way
of government observance, but in the US we have a
very old proverb that remains as simple as it is wise:
"The customer is ALWAYS right."

The critical term here is "customer".

Some people pose as customers, but eventually
prove themselves to be opportunists or outright
mooches. They don't count.

As far as how to stop "come backs"; please, first
define "come backs" .

I'm not familiar with how you are using this term..

[axeman]

well put woodman,merchants ARE responsible for their product.if all merchants feared being busted, we`d rarely get a bum deal.


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