Drug info - Propylhexedrine Basics

[Female]

Are there any foods, or OTC pain medication or drinks that would be harmful to take before, or during a propylhexedrine high? So far SWIM has heard that OJ might make it crap out, and that alcohol provides a lasting effect. Would Ibuprofen be alright to take? SWIM just bought 2 inhalers and will ingest 250mgs as soon as she figures out a night that she can stay up for, without having to get us ass crack early. SWIM will post an experience report asap.
By the way, a lot of the previous posts regarding the chemistry surrounding propylhexedrine is fascinating, SWIM regrets not paying too much attention in Chem class. A definite add to a lot of SWIY reps will ensue

[Nahbus]

SWIM says he took Ibuprofen when he got his headache on propyl. Not saying it's "safe", but SWIM walked out of it fine.

[rodent]

SWIM isn't a real big fan of stimulants but, he can confirm that 250mgs is a fine dose for mild-moderate stimulation with a fair amount of euphoria. He isn't interested in going much higher than this but he suspects many could take it up to 500mgs without too many problems (SWIM is not recommending this at all and certainly not for one's first time).

I can't afford this journal but maybe someone has access-
http://www.astm.org/cgi-bin/SoftCart....htm?E+mystore

The above link claims "Oral Overdose of Propylhexedrine" I'm assuming led to death. Certainly means all SWIM's should be very cautious and not consider Propylhexedrine safe because it's OTC.

Nabus said-

not sure about UK. Look to see if it's even legal there. In the US it's illegal, EXCEPT for use in benzedrex brand inhalers.

Wikipedia shows legal status-
Unscheduled (US)
Schedule V (Canada)
Of course, as said before, Wiki is created by fools like us so, take with grain of salt.

A link with some interesting tidbits-

http://www.factbites.com/topics/Propylhexedrine


-rodent

[jesusfreak666er]

interesting find, swim doesnt feel like dishing out the cash, but intreging... Swim has read quite a few ods linked to extraction and IV dosing but thats the first oral, swim will google around see if he can find a free oral od report of some sort.

[IHrtHalucingens]

Very interesting nicaine. SWIM has found that redosing wiht the propyl doesnt have the best effects, he found that its better to take all at once. 2 cotton rods(500mg) gives a very good bit of euphoria. You are corect though in the statement htat street drugs have nothing ot worry about, but it is under rated in SWIMS opinion. Hope the advertising enlightens a few, especially those of you out there on probation or some kind of drug tests.

[Female]

Interesting...SWIM has bought two 250 mgs and hasn't tried them yet, because she's afraid of staying up for two days straight which she can't afford to do at the moment. So what SWIM gathers is that SWINicaine didn't get the up all night effect?

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Female

Interesting...SWIM has bought two 250 mgs and hasn't tried them yet, because she's afraid of staying up for two days straight which she can't afford to do at the moment. So what SWIM gathers is that SWINicaine didn't get the up all night effect?

He did, but he's been staying up all night lately anyway. The stuff's only supposed to last for 3-5 hours, SWIM *highly* doubts it will keep anyone up for two days straight.

Will report back though... if SWIM manages to sleep later on today it's a good sign that the stimulating effects don't last that long.

P.S. SWIY might like it better than SWIM (who's been doing coke weekly for the past couple months & has pretty high standards when it comes to stimulants... a person gets used to being way, way WAY up there & something like propylhexedrine doesn't really compete, but for the neophyte or person who rarely indulges it could be rather more impressive).

[IHrtHalucingens]

Nicaine, SWIM also noticed the difficulty to reach erection while on the stuff, but with the proper coersion from SWIMs girlfriend SWIM was up and ready for action and had one of the best sexual experiences hes ever had. And he also noticed that multiple orgasms were reached with ease.

[Nicaine]

LOL, SWIM just noticed he's been awake around 33 hrs straight .

last night when SWIM started to come down around 3am he took 6 benadryl and drank like 3 shots of vodka to try and fall asleep. suprisingly that didnt work.

Actually that's what worries SWIM a bit. He went on a cola run from Fri. night thru early Mon. morning, & did a little bit during the day Monday too after he woke up. Then he started eating these stink-sticks from the drugstore, LOL. Only thing worse than rolling too long on stims is the crash after rolling too long on stims. So one rolls longer to postpone the inevitable. Anyone who likes uppers will be aware of this dilemma. SWIM should be feeling damn tired but isn't. If this stuff wears off reeeaalll sssllooowww, the temptation to eat another one might be hard to resist.

[mindnumbinglyfun]

sorry about the rules thing. i found out about all that in another thread just a little while ago.


i have one more question. not that i or swim plans to do a heroic dose, but how many mg of propylhexedrine before theres a danger of overdose? i saw in the first post he mentioned that theres a lot of euphoria between 250mg and 750mg. so im assuming someone in good health could take 500-750 without any real chance for anything to go wrong?

id just like to learn as much as i can about this. all drugs fascinate me like nothing else. not necessarily swim being high, but basicly anything and everything about most drugs. i mainly like to know about otc stuff so i can keep some kids around here out of trouble. you wouldnt believe how man of my friends little brothers and sisters use to pop triple c's like they were candy. i cant imagen how bad things will get when news of this finally makes its way around here.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by mindnumbinglyfun

sorry about the rules thing. i found out about all that in another thread just a little while ago.


i have one more question. not that i or swim plans to do a heroic dose, but how many mg of propylhexedrine before theres a danger of overdose? i saw in the first post he mentioned that theres a lot of euphoria between 250mg and 750mg. so im assuming someone in good health could take 500-750 without any real chance for anything to go wrong?

Don't take anyone's word for it. SWIM's been extensively reading up on this stuff, but hasn't yet found anything related to either dosage or half-life. Propylhexedrine has apparently been used as a diet aid before, but there doesn't seem to be any web info on that. Probably was many years ago.

Re: real chances of anything going wrong... depends on heart rate/blood pressure and how well your veins hold up, among other things. Stimulants have never been real safe or healthy for the body. Thought I remember reading even caffeine can supposedly raise the risk of a heart attack.

you wouldnt believe how man of my friends little brothers and sisters use to pop triple c's like they were candy. i cant imagen how bad things will get when news of this finally makes its way around here.

Hmmm... cutting a piece of lavender and menthol perfumed cotton into pieces & trying to get 'em all down without choking to death? That'd go over real well with just about anybody .

BTW, SWIM found today that most drugstores that carry these have either two or four boxes in stock/on shelves at once & that's it. A few big fans could really deplete a geographical area of the stuff.

[mindnumbinglyfun]

i was just talking to this one guy i know who tried some yesterday(technically the day before. its almost 3am). he said the first time was great, he had some fun and liked it even more than alcohol, but it wasnt quite as good as weed.

last night it wasnt really a big deal that he couldnt sleep because he had the next day off. he got a short 2 hour nap in, but stupidly ate another325mg or so around 6pm. he still cant get to sleep, and he has to leave for work in about 3-4 hours. if hes lucky he might get a full 2 hours in. if hes lucky. the benadryl he took (only 3) isnt even touching this.

so he has about 125mg left (i just had one of those nasty lavender burps) and is wondering how safe it would be to dose one more time in the early afternoon just so he can make it through the day. he noticed today (2nd time using it) that even though he took the same ammount, it wasnt really what it was the day before. hes afraid it might just end up making him feel shittier than having 4 hours of sleep in 3 days.

im also curious about the whole eating cotton thing. i know its natural, but can our bodies deal with it alright? like, it wont get lodged in your colon somewhere and cause a traffic jam? something about eating cotton just doesnt seem right.

thanks for any help.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Thylli

Swim found its best to extract prop from the cotton and the menthol and lavender just seems to burn off when cooked.

SWIM finds the menthol doesn't, the lavender does. Unfortunately, extraction makes anything used in the process (including drain pipes) smell like rancid lavender oil, and good luck getting rid of it...

Swim found by extracting with HCI and H2O, and injecting it you can control your dose better.

You can die, too... SWIM strongly recommends people avoid injecting propylhexedrine. No offense, but pumping potent vasoconstrictors directly into veins/muscles is asking for serious trouble. SWIM likes the propyl high, but it's nowhere near worth a risk like that.

[Thylli]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

SWIM finds the menthol doesn't, the lavender does. Unfortunately, extraction makes anything used in the process (including drain pipes) smell like rancid lavender oil, and good luck getting rid of it...

You can die, too... SWIM strongly recommends people avoid injecting propylhexedrine. No offense, but pumping potent vasoconstrictors directly into veins/muscles is asking for serious trouble. SWIM likes the propyl high, but it's nowhere near worth a risk like that.

Any Nasal decongestant is a vasoconstrictor, including ephedrine. Meth can do the samething. Watching the way everybody has been experimenting with this stuff can kill you. This is an old school drug. Swim has injected prop off and on for nine years, never has hurt swim yet. The guy who taught swim how to do it had been doing it for over twenty years. And swim knows many other people that injects prop.
A sure way to extract Prop. Take a small square glass dish, put something under one end of the dish so it will be tilted up. Swim uses the pot holders that swim holds the dish with while cooking it. For one cotton put three teaspoons of distilled water into the dish. Place one cotton in the dish. Using a medicine dropper, place 5 drops of Muratic acid evenly across the cotton. Let stand for a minute. Using a sterl pair of pliers, mash the cotton several time until everything comes out. Pull the cotton out of the water. Sqeeze the cotton dry with the pliers. If you like, keep the cotton for a second batch. Cook over the stove on medium heat until water evaporates. While cooking keep dish about 2 inches above burner, and keep water moving around so it won't burn. After its done make sure not to let the dish bump into anything or hit anything cold right away, it may bust or explode. Swim always put the dish in front of a fan to let it cool. Once it is cool, scrap it up with a razorblade, and it will be a pure white crystalized powder. This stuff melts very easily, keep away from heat. At least room temp or below. Swim also noticed someone on here said theirs turned yellow after they extracted it. If that happens to much acid was used. But this has always been a good recipe. Swim can extract 2 Benzy cottons and have them ready in 15 minutes. Swim always extracts two at a time. For some reason you get a better yield. Swim has tried every other way. From making 1 at a time, up to 12 at a time when there was alot of other friends with swim. Swim has seen way more problems with injecting meth or cocaine. Actually swim was able to kick the coke and meth habit using prop, because it isn't addictive like coke and meth. The FDA did a study on Prop once to see whether it could be classified as an amphetamine. But it was proven not to be addictive and very few side effects, and only seven know overdose. They did this study after they found out people was injecting it. As far as I know, prop isn't illegal. When confronted with people using prop, State and local authorities would just sat around and scratch their heads on the subject. And never could figure out what to do with the issue.

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[Nicaine]

Turns out the "crash" from this stuff is greatly overrated, LOL. SWIM just went to bed last night and dropped sweetly off to sleep, despite still having a fast heartbeat. Compared to the *real* crash from cola or meth, this stuff is a joke. It really is somewhere between caffeine and speed, but quite honestly it leans a bit more toward the caffeine side. Guess for an over-the-counter drugstore product there ain't much to complain about though.

Originally Posted by mindnumbinglyfun

last night it wasnt really a big deal that he couldnt sleep because he had the next day off. he got a short 2 hour nap in, but stupidly ate another325mg or so around 6pm.

Not that stupid... according to SWIM the stuff is a little bit compulsive, like a lot of uppers. Sometimes hard to resist if there's some lying around. The solution -- never have more sitting around than SWIY plans on doing at once.

Originally Posted by mindnumbinglyfun

im also curious about the whole eating cotton thing. i know its natural, but can our bodies deal with it alright? like, it wont get lodged in your colon somewhere and cause a traffic jam?

Get a pair of scissors and cut it up into very small pieces... like, twenty or thirty. That should cut down on any possibility of gumming up your digestive tract. But even if you didn't, it seems unlikely to cause any problems... it should just come right out the other end with all the rest of it.

P.S. SWIM noticed the stuff seems to give him diarrhea, unless something else has been causing it.

BTW, tolerance to propylhexedrine's effects (or at least some) appears to increase rapidly. About three days of use later, SWIM is longer feeling those nice tingling effects, and a single 250mg is doing little or nothing (it takes 500mg for a worthwhile feeling). When will SWIM ever learn that using a substance more often means enjoying it less, not more (sigh).

Edit -- SWIM just noticed that at doses above 250mg this stuff makes his face flush red. Dayum. This is definitely the last Propyl SWIM will be doing in quite awhile, but it's nice to add another easy-to-obtain substance to the arsenal. Still wanting to try kanna (5:1 extract), which is supposed to be a decent buzz.

[Nicaine]

SWIM has been enjoying propylhexedrine about every 2 to 3 days. In SWIM's opinion it's not that expensive, because a single buzz (one inhaler's worth of cotton) is so much cheaper than buying a 'g' of cola or practically any standard amount of another stimulant (except maybe Adderall or Ritalin tablets, but SWIM has no access to those).

It seems the stuff does raise SWIM's blood pressure quite a bit, and cause a rapid heart rate as well. Nothing too unusual for stimulants, but probably not safe if used heavily on a regular basis. The full body tingling rocks! According to SWIM, the stuff turns out to be a half decent substitute for stimulant fans who are either poor or don't want to spend the $$$ on street stuff.

[IHrtHalucingens]

Very solid advice and guidlines! The only issue i have with them is this:

"(8) To save money, 2/3 of a cotton bar is reasonably close to the high produced by a full cotton bar. One free high for every two paid ones." ~nicaine

As one cannot assure the even distribution of the propyl accross the cotton SWIM would not suggest this. He abtained 4 inhalers and cut them all up into a pile then put in capsules and split with his buddy. He came to the realization that it is not evenly distributed as his friend had a very intense time causing him to vomit, while SWIM had a threshold experience at best.

His only suggestion is to take a whole cotton rod at a time and capsule them as you go and keep track as to assure a good experience.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by IHrtHalucingens

As one cannot assure the even distribution of the propyl accross the cotton SWIM would not suggest this. He abtained 4 inhalers and cut them all up into a pile then put in capsules and split with his buddy. He came to the realization that it is not evenly distributed as his friend had a very intense time causing him to vomit, while SWIM had a threshold experience at best.

Did SWIY take a specific part of the inhalers for himself, or something? Cuz it seems unlikely that out of a pile of cotton cuttings from 4 inhalers, one person would get a lot of effect and another person get just a little, even if it WAS distributed unevenly. In other words, cutting up 4 inhalers & putting the pieces into a pile should have randomized the whole thing at least somewhat.

SWIM would like to experiment further to see how even the distribution is... he'll try just left ends/middles/right ends one of these times (he'll need 3 inhalers available) & see if the effects vary over three highs.

[IHrtHalucingens]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

In other words, cutting up 4 inhalers & putting the pieces into a pile should have randomized the whole thing at least somewhat.

SWIM had the same thoughts. But the two SWIMS in this experience had eaten the same food for 24 prior to experience, had the same recovery time since last experience, and have the same body type and weight.

SWIM might be missing something but he figured those were all the main factors to cause such a different response, when normally they both react with the same intensity. I agree it is a statistical inprobability but i think SWIM was one of the unlucky ones in ever 1,000 or w/e.

Anyway i was just including that in a "just to be safe" sort of sense. Ive become staunch supporter of better safe than sorry in all parts of my life lately so i figured it worth contributing.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by IHrtHalucingens

SWIM had the same thoughts. But the two SWIMS in this experience had eaten the same food for 24 prior to experience, had the same recovery time since last experience, and have the same body type and weight.

SWIM might be missing something but he figured those were all the main factors to cause such a different response, when normally they both react with the same intensity. I agree it is a statistical inprobability but i think SWIM was one of the unlucky ones in ever 1,000 or w/e.

Anyway i was just including that in a "just to be safe" sort of sense. Ive become staunch supporter of better safe than sorry in all parts of my life lately so i figured it worth contributing.

Makes sense, although in SWIM's opinion using propylhexedrine in general is probably no safer than using adderall or ritalin... maybe less safe, because the dosages involved (250mg+) could put a major load on the liver. In other words, SWIM doubts that propyl is a "safe" substance as the OP suggested... it's a fairly strong stimulant, and all of those carry certain well known health risks.

P.S. If the distribution of substance is uneven like SWIY says, one way around it would be to cut the cotton rod into *tiny* pieces (although this would take some time), then mix all the pieces together randomly. That should guarantee the ability to divide it into portions and have each portion be approximately equal in potency. I went ahead and deleted the original suggestion to use 2/3 to save money tho, because I doubt most people would be willing to go to that much trouble.

[bewilderment]

I've been following this thread since around the time it started and shortly after seeing it for the first time, swim decided to test out the substance. So, I thought I'd contribute this experience report:

The first time swim used this compound, no effects were really noted. Swim still isn't sure why, but since she hears that it works by dumping glucose into the bloodstream she thinks that it could have been related to the fact that Swim had hardly been eating anything at all for the past few days due to either tripping or just not having an appetite. She had also used adderall within the past week so that could've played a role although swim doesn't have any kind of high tolerance for adderall. She took one cotton rod at 250mg.

The next time she tried, she took one and a half cotton rods. This time, she felt very strong effects. It was definately more intense than the first time she had taken adderall (the only real stimulant she has to compare this to, although she has tried meth she was already speeded up on another compound and couldn't distinguish between effects). The full-body tingles lasted throughout the duration of the experience. She's unsure of how long the experience lasted, but at least 8 hours before she took a benzo and went to bed.

Since then, she has used numerous times. She usually goes for the 500mg dosage. She cuts off one and a half rods into small pieces and wraps them up in pieces of paper towel and parachutes. Then, usually 1hr-1.5hr later she usally goes ahead and takes the other half of the second inhaler. She has never experienced the crash aside from once. Before, she would be buzzing until it was time to go to sleep so she never really saw the end of it. Last week, she took some in the morning and finally did experience the crash that evening. It wasn't that bad, but she did feel too drained to really do much of anything at all which was uncomfortable.

Swim's usual dose with adderall is 30mg so comparing that to 500mg of propylhexedrine...the propylhexedrine feels much more "pushy" and even though she can focus on things FOREVER, her mind doesn't feel quite as sharp as it does on adderall. There is a bit of confusion experienced at times, but it's not very negative. She feels that, for her personally, the propylhexedrine is best used as a recreational substance when she just wants to sit around and enjoy the body high and still be very alert and aware. Adderall is better for actually getting things done and focusing, but the body high is nowhere near as good as that of the propylhexedrine. And the adderall is also much shorter lived for swim.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by bewilderment

She feels that, for her personally, the propylhexedrine is best used as a recreational substance when she just wants to sit around and enjoy the body high and still be very alert and aware. Adderall is better for actually getting things done and focusing, but the body high is nowhere near as good as that of the propylhexedrine. And the adderall is also much shorter lived for swim.

If SWIY ever gets a chance (i.e. right circumstances), check out and see if Propyl has the sexual boosting effect it has for SWIM.

Advance warning, SWIM won't be shy about saying this: it's the only substance outside of coke that enables him to have orgasms with very little male refractory period in between (5-10 minutes at most), basically on a continuous basis throughout the entire high. As SWIY could probably guess, that's a powerful enhancement to sitting around and feeling pleasant tingles! Substances that hit dopamine hard always do this to SWIM, so that has to be the explanation.

[bewilderment]

Swim doesn't recall having sex on propyl YET. But, she's in a loving marriage and is sure that she an her partner will try this out sometime in the near future Although swim's spouse can't do the propyl because just a few months ago she was having faint spells that she thought could've been related to having hypoglycemia, the doc said that she didn't seem to actually have it yet but she was quite possibly heading in that direction. If it were a substance that they could actually enjoy together then this aspect of the compound would have been explored already, I'm sure

It could be interesting because swim has never been able to have an orgasm for some reason she has yet to figure out. This was discussed in a thread I started quite some time ago here: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...=female+orgasm

Swim thinks that she'll bring this up with her partner to ensure that the next time she experiments with this substance that some play time will be involved :P

[mindnumbinglyfun]

from now on im just going to say PHD instead of propylhexedrine.

tonight swim plans to take 250mg of phd for the first time since that 3 day bender that sucked ass. this time swim only has enough for one dose so theres no chance of that crap happening. swim also plans to take 300mg of dxm via those new zicam cough melts (10 30mg chaulky tabs that melt in your mouth). last time swim used phd he had no ill physical effects and no "crash" whatsoever. swim is also in pretty good shape. whats the harm in mixing DXM and PHD at these low doses?

swim will eat both if he doesnt have an answer in the next 30 minutes.

[mindnumbinglyfun]

what now?

anyway, swim didnt puss out. absolutley, hands down, best euphoira ever. swims been talkin to some random chick online all this time and swims clear headed as shit. this has been an amazing experinece.

swim would reccomend that if anyone trys this, dont do it more than once every couple weeks. propylhexebaba is much worse than dxm from what i gather, and mixing the two cant be good. swim is also in fairly good shape and last experience had no ill effects (till redose)

my computer wont let me edit for some reason... anyway i just wanted to add the doses. it was 250mg propylhambla and 300mg dxm in the form of the new zicam cough melts. swim had no ill effects at all. swim was smoking the occasional bong now and then but it was only middies. overall swim rates this a 10/10. not as deep and trippy as shrooms, but way more fun. its one of the rare cases when thinking is not impaired at all, but ehnaced.

know you shit, be careful, and always use moderation.