Can you stop using cocaine when you said you would?

[u4ic]

Who here can accually stop when they said they were going to. I know this is possible, but it's hit or miss for swim, mostly miss. It wouldn't be as big of an issue if swim could stop when he planned to. It's so f-ing hard to come of that cloud and fall soooo far down. How do you do it?

[Ace]

SWIMs pretty lucky with this, since most people have the same prob with blow, but swim can pretty much always stop whenever he tells himself that he should stop. That doesnt mean hes not "fiending" it, but swim can jsut tell himself to chill, and he'll even have the rest of the yay to look forward to next time he does it. this may seem odd, but swim finds that he thinks about yay more often when he doesnt actaully have it, as opposed to having it but holding back. swims kept small ammounts of yay for about 2 weeks before even, and just that thought that he'll be doing it some time when he's chillin with his friends or w/e helps quite a bit to keep him from doing it.

the intensity of the high also determines the extent to which swim is fiending the coke. If he does a few nice lines and feels the proper coke euphoria, then he's satisfied and doesnt feel the need to do anymore for a while. Swim actually feels the opposite of fiending during this sort of high, and even a bit after. On the other hand, if the coke sucks, or he just has a little bit of it, swim is fiending it because he just got a taste of it and wants more.

The best remedy for this type of situation would probably be to tell yourself that you'll have the rest of the yay for next time, which can be tomorow, next weekend, w/e, but its very important to learn to control this and limit your use. drugs are great, and i love yay, but they shouldnt be abused to the level where you feel that you actually NEED them.

[FutureMovieStar]

Someone who REALLY isn't me...has a serious problem with stopping...so bad, that one time at thier house I spray painted a big S C on thier wall when they and swim were high as a kite.

The S C stands for SELF CONTROL!!

Swim can stop...though its difficult cause swim works till 3am anyway so stopping at 10am is like stopping at 4am for people with regular work hours. Swim finds going to parties with co-workers that don't use cola or use it only slightly really helps out a lot. But it can be hard when swim works in an industry were you party late to early in the morning and the drugs be it cola or whatever is everywhere.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by u4ic

It's so f-ing hard to come of that cloud and fall soooo far down. How do you do it?

I did it by quiting. After so long you get to a point where its either-"Well i can stay on this fucking rollercoaster of ups and downs till it takes me to oblivion" or "well i better smarten up" Yeah, this swim could only stop when the dope and the money was gone. She's 'sneaky sneaky' that one.

[epiphanyx]

SWIM has found that the only guaranteed way of stopping is to absolutely remove herself from any proximity to it. Once it's in the vicinity SWIM's gonna do it - that's just the way it is. Cocaine has got to be the most moreish drug ever.

[u4ic]

Swim did a little experiment last night to see if he could do this. The goal was to do .5g and stop. Each additional line was a lower grade. He got a "D", barely passing but with some self control exercised. He went to a friends house real late and felt the need for one more just to be somewhat social and not a crashing freak. Well one turned into another. He was at the point where no more would go up there anyway and I don't think it was helping much anymore. They were some pretty big rails. Swim said he would try doing less and see if he could stop then. Cause the more you do the harder you crash.

[u4ic]

All I can say is that it takes a stronger man than swim to stop half-way though the blow. That shit is playing with fire and you're likely to get burned. I agree that the best way and possibly the only way is by making it impossible or at least very hard to get more, like having to drive 30 miles or something. That stuff messes with your mind to a degree that is unimaginable to someone who isn't there. I think swim should stay away. And anyone else with an addictive personality. I don't understand how people can do this stuff for long periods of time or only do it on weekends or whatever. I don't get it.

[AceOvArts]

its bad bad stuff...if its in the house Ill do it, I can get tired of it then crash but will get straight back to it the following day.
I excersize self control by staying away from it, but I want it still. I want it now
*sigh*

[u4ic]

Yeah it's just crazy how much it can change and warp you. You'll want to throw it down the toilet the previous night only to wish you had it the next day. Your brain chooses to be selective in it's memory and remember the 20 min of heaven and overlook the 4 hours of hell that is the aftermath. It really doesn't make any sense. I know exactly how you feel aceovarts I'm in the same boat. Swim has got to stop soon for sure but he keeps putting it off. And to make things even worse he's totally hooked on the opiates too. What a mess!

[AceOvArts]

Ive done things like, delete all my contact numbers for dealers etc. Only to goto my damn phone bill to find the number again. I mean, whats up with that ?
Its crazy stuff, Im glad I have enough responsibilities and things to do to take my mind off of it for some of the time else I would be at it all the time (of course I would be broke then). u4ic...mate...dont start soon, try and start now bro !! Im with ya all the way!

[u4ic]

Thanks Bro swim appreciates the encouragement. Swim is still f***ing around trying to play with fire. He is trying to find some formula or protocol to justify his use. Or to at least minimize the problems it causes. Definately an uphill battle, one that he's losing. I think that maybe there are more cons than pros. Let's think about it, it's expensive can easily blow $50 a day. Damaging to the nose, and probably not good for your heart and god knows what else. The crash lasts longer than the high. It can aggrevate depression and anxiety in individuals with prexisting conditions. The only pro is that it makes you feel like a million bucks for about an half hour. Is it worth it? Who am I to say you can only speak for yourself. I would just like to add that the doses freud was working with when he did his initial research was like 50mg a day. Thats like a line that weighed .05g not much. I think that the problem is that people are taking way too much. You body is not equiped to respond to a .1g line every 20 min. In swims experience less is more. You might realize this the morning after when you salvage what you missed the night before, the night before when you thought you were going to die or go crazy and considered throwing it in the toilet. I'll post the article about coke by freud if I can figure it out.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/...s/cu/CU35.html

[AceOvArts]

Last night swim was about to lapse, swim had ordered 3g from his dealer. What a relief when he couldnt supply it ! Swim was so happy it was almost as good as the first line. This has made swim stronger for the battle, yet 8.50 am as he still longs for the hit.

[u4ic]

Funny how that works. Based on that scenario you could simply apply the end result to the next situation. Something like: wanting coke, not getting coke, feeling much better without the coke. With coke, less is more and nothing is as less as you can get. You abuse your coke privledges you lose your coke privledges. That seems to be the trend. Also I don't think coke is a drug meant to be used for long periods. It's kind of a phase thing, you get over it with time. As soon as you cross the line from hobby to habit all the fun goes out the window. You just have to weigh out all the factors and see if the pro's outweigh the con's. You have to think logically and not emotionally. Emotions are the root of all evil. Coke withdrawal isn't really all that bad compared to opiate withdrawal which is mainly physical as opposed to emotional. The coke addiction I think is incorrectly labeled as mental. I don't think that's the case. If you think about it logically the con's greatly outweigh the pro's. It's the emotional part that draws you back. If you read freud's findings it makes much more sense. I'll post another good article by the king of physcology. I'm not saying I fully agree with everything he deducted but most of it makes perfect sense.http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/freud.html

[voirdires1]

It's always the same. SWIM is out drinking with friends and the alcohol lowers the will power and SWIM orders the cola. SWIM ditches the friends and goes home and puts it away. SWIM always says 'I won't take it...just keep if for a reminder not to do it'. This lasts until the next morning. By the end of they day at least a ball is gone. Even after SWIM has used so much the high is gone, he has to keep going with shorter and shorter time in between uses. SWIM has flushed large quantities, deleted contact numbers, tried to drink so much to pass out and tried to stop drinking altogether, made countless pacts with God, and even donated every spare dollar to charity...only to fall and use again. It's a helluva drug.

[liquidsnowboards]

you know what honestly I have never done cocaine and from reading what everyone says I think it is impossible to do the drug and not get addicted...I mean can anyone argue against me??? It seems to me like it is so not worth it to try it...any ideas???

[AceOvArts]

In SWIMs experience he has seen many people try it and because of the cost involved not get to into Coke. He has friends that very rarely do it and get away with it. This is not to say that if its being offered they turn it down because if its free they are like vultures around carrion. The thing about coke is to start with its very nice, its too nice really. Seems easy enough to do, no big deal. But isnt that the same with ALL addictive drugs ? The reason they are addictive is cos they make you feel so damn good ...... to start with.
So SWIMs advice is to stay away from coke, yes its nice for a while.....until like all the bad drugs it grips you and pulls you down.
d.d.d.d.d dont dont do it....ba.ba.ba.baby.....ba.ba.ba.baby

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by liquidsnowboards

you know what honestly I have never done cocaine and from reading what everyone says I think it is impossible to do the drug and not get addicted...I mean can anyone argue against me??? It seems to me like it is so not worth it to try it...any ideas???

A certain Mouse read this, and couldn't help but start an argument! This is what he told me -

"Cocaine was one of the later drugs in the list of things ingested, partly for similar reasons to those stated above, at least when younger, partly because he had an aversion to insufflation and things that remind him of the dentist, and later on because of experiencing coke-heads first hand and not particularly liking what he saw! The arrogance, the self-centredness, the 'Me!me!me!'-ness, the tetchiness, the inflexibility, the 'Gotta get some more!' when the bag ran out, the list goes on... Basically, all the things pointed to a generally worthless experience, with no scope for personal growth or exploration, unless you count exploring your more arrogant and super-confident side in the short term.

Now, after a lot of thought and in the right company, the certain Mouse got over his own arrogance towards this particular substance, and thought 'Well, why ever not?' By this time he was a little older, and had met people who liked Charlie a lot, but were by no means addicted - they'd buy a bag every so often, share it out, and have a giggle with people they liked. Nowt wrong with that. The first few times, he really couldn't see what all the fuss was about - it was nice and all that, lovely feeling of being just fine and dandy, increased confidence and talkativeness he supposed, but still couldn't see how this could be a valid life choice. Although it did take a few goes on separate occasions to really 'get' what was going on with it, luckily, this feeling for the drug hasn't really changed.

Interestingly, this Mouse has a distinct predilection for dopamine agonists - is a confirmed smoker and caffeine junkie, and came a serious cropper through amphetamines a while back - but cocaine, although he enjoy it every now and again, just doesn't have that same pull or attraction."

So there you go, a certain Mouse's perspective and experience. It is possible to pick up coke and then put it down again. The problem is that there is no real way of knowing if you are going to be one of those individuals who are able to do this

[kemistudent]

Good question U4IC, I would have to say 8/10 times I would not, but when it comes to coke, 2/10 times I would actually spend my own cash on it. I am very much against street coke. I have this thing about purity.

[u4ic]

Yeah same here. I think an acetone wash is a good idea. Been researching the topic of being able to stop extensively lately. Taking notes through out the day and stuff. Its amazing how this stuff can disolve your resolve and take control. The best thing you can do is not get in too deep. Less is more.

[Sickness Life]

swim said...

Originally Posted by u4ic

Something like: wanting coke, not getting coke, feeling much better without the coke. With coke, less is more and nothing is as less as you can get. You abuse your coke privledges you lose your coke privledges.perfect sense.http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/freud.html

That is generally what it should look like.

It will always be hard to not get more but it is MENTAL.. not the coke, You can resist it or you may not if you cant you should stop for awhile and if you decide you really like it get back in slow real slow.

Always make sure before you go buy your shit that your not getting more then you would want to do in one night worst case scenario b/c no matter who you are it happens sometimes you cant resist but for the most part try and stop around a certain time usually to keep yourself being able to gtoo bed which is where the real drug problem an shitty downers come from.

People confuse lack of sleep and food with a coke down often

This is my routine,

I decide i want some coke, I call up some buddies drop the code
It goes into process later that night or a few nights later ill get some, I make sure its not more then what i want to do, I usually break it into a few days just with my own self control once that night is done i take it off my body and put it away one rule once its away its away i dont touch it i lay down and goto bed.

sleep is the BEST cure for a craving you dont crave when your asleep if you can make sure to stop at a time where it doesnt affect your sleep patterns to much you will be fine on the craving part. Also going thru a friend and not a dealer is preferable for me with coke b/c your buddies will just hang up an say goto bed its the number one thing i recomend no matter what just as a safety line if you are worried and we should all be atleast concerned with that.

[Cokabuzer]

swim said....

After a while of regularly snorting, I got to that point where stopping at the wanted time got very difficult. I usually buy 7grams at a time and have often been so out of control that I ended up taking 3.5 to myself in 24 hours. It's so bad that I'd continue snorting even after my nose was totally congestioned, forcing real hard to get the stuff to come up... I do wonder if there are many users who've been this bad as well.

I'm lucky that I can't contact the seller directly, he is very secretive so I have to ask one of my friends to get it for me and it's at least a 20-minute drive, which discourages me to call for more when I run out.

At some point, I was so sick of going overboard that I asked my friend to have the 7grams separated into seven bags of 1gram and to keep them for me, and had him promise he wouldn't give me more than one bag at once, for a max of two per week, no matter what I said. That helped.

One day I asked him to bring two 1g. bags: one for my immediate usage, the other to hide carefully in my apartment to save him a trip next time, only having to call him and ask where he hid it. I knew he'd hide it somewhere I'd never find it even if I searched for a year! Well, right after I was done with the first gram, of course I started looking everywhere for the hidden one even if I knew I wouldn't find it. I gave up after an hour of searching.

The following week I called him to ask where he had hidden the other bag... I live alone and never selled drugs or had to hide some carefully in my home, so although his hiding spot might not surprise some of you (???), I was amazed when he told me it was under the cap that goes over the metal screw on top of my fridge!!! You know what I mean? It's true, I never would have found it.

Just to show you the lenghts I had to go to in order to limit my intake! I envy those users who can have an eightball last for weeks, who can take one or two or three or four reasonable size lines in a day and no more! I wish I was like that!

[sky_man]

I have a friend who is terrible, he'd get 3-4g, then he'd do it in (he did 2g in 25mins the other week) and be on the phone to his dealer asking for another 2g, this might last a little longer if he's trying to restrain himself, but when that goes he'd be back on the phone. After the 3rd or 4th time the dealer would get too paranoid my friend is bringing it on top for him and would refuse, my friend would start sending begging texts. It's really pathetic to see them too, things like "please, last time, promise", etc, etc.

I can't ever imagine myself in that position. If it's not around I don't really bother, I don't stress over it and don't immediately rush out to get any. However, if someone came round and offered me a line it's hard to say no, you want to, but you start thinking of that feeling and it's easy to cave in. When it's run out though I tend to be "meh, that's that" and get on with things.

If there's a large amount about though, say for example when I used to sit on a bit for the friend I described earlier and ration it out to him (half / full oz a week he'd have), although I might not bother during the day, once it gets to 9-10pm I might start dipping in and having a few lines, and this could continue every night until he'd done the majority of it in (he didn't mind me helping myself btw).

thing is, with really good coke, you don't get that horrible moreish feeling, it's that good your brain is telling you more isn't necessary. unfortunately most coke about these days is pretty crap, even when you think you're getting from someone reputable.

[dcrn]

SWIM recently quit coke about a week ago and is still very happy about quitting. SWIM would encourage anyone to quit this drug because it brings no good, trust SWIM. SWIM tried to quit couple of times cold turkey but just wasn't too serious about it, this time he is.

[Snowdayagain]

Swim normally does all of his coke in one night and NEVER has any leftover to tempt him the next day, and he rarely even wants to do it the next day either. The second day however swim is moodier than a mother. That being said he is not sure if he could stop if he still had some bust out, like if he needed to get some rest.

He does stop doing big lines around 4am during the week and does a couple of bumps if his come down is going bad to take the edge off but definitely doesn't do lines after that.

Then he waits normally three or four days at the least before he starts again.....

Swim is pretty disciplined I suppose.

[bl0whydr0420]

swim doesn't have enough self control to stop right when he wants, ususally goes on like two or three hours after swim originally wanted to quit, to finally stop.

swim never uses it all in one go because swim usually uses it on his own time, and never buys less then an eightball, and the full eightball is a bit much for one night. haha.