Do you trust your supplier?

[radiometer]

Here's a sobering post I read this morning on another forum:

Originally Posted by Urbie

I will be breif I can.

I received a packet of 2CI....

Only took 5mg sample to test it, because I have taken 2ci in the past, and liked it in 15-ish mg doses. I have never sampled this batch from this certain non-asian source.

I tasted....knew something was not right......this 2ci sample tasted like burnt rubber. Not bitter or something like that.

Last night... it send me to pure madness.....that ended up at the Hospital with the most intense halluications, just got lost with reailty, I actually almost died today, from the the biggest massive high blood pressure I have ever expereinced.

My BP rate was 180/100, for almost 4 hours straight.

The nurse said, I was shivering, expereincing chills, fever, shakes, eyes rolling backwards, jaw clenching, pretty much everything, all these signs keep coming in waves for couple of hours.

I will no longer play with RC's from now on... I have seen enough of them, I have witnessed hell and came back and surivived to share the tale.

I was just way gone.... far gone with reality, I had no idea where I was, the visuals very very strong mushroom-like effects, with intense visuals like black and white with hint of rainbow like fractual psychedelic swirled visuals covered everything and I just could no longer tell what objects was real or not.

Was taken to the hospital by Lifeguard/Ambo boat, I was given 10mg diazepams to calm me down, but the rough sea conditions and the intense halluications didn't help at all. So I had very bumpy scarey shaken ride to the Hospital.

The effects almost lasted for 17 hours. 2ci doesnt last for 17 hours.

Only took 5mg... what I thought it was supposed to be 2ci.

Just very happy I test drived 5mg... not the usual 15-ishmg dose of 2ci, I shudder at the thought of the effects would have ten-folded or whatever or even died if I took 15mg.

Will write more later, just bit shaken, and would just wanted to warn fellow RC's test dummies munchers, just never assume you are getting what you ordered.

I think Nanobrain or someone always said that RC's are not for everyone, just 0.001% of the people in this forum or something, I can't remember, I am still bit dopey from diazepams the hospital just gave me a box to help me recover for the next couple of days.

Just remember you are skating on thin ice when it comes to RC's, and I cracked that thin ice......almost never made back alive from the frozen seas...

Please take care, they are very potent and dangerous.

Its like past 23-26 hours now, and I am still slightly tripping...just the effects are fading away now....just feeling a lot better.

Its good to be back with reality again.

Cheers, Urbie :\

[GDxCAT]

I read that earlier today aswell.

I cant really say that im surprised such a thing happened.
I think the supplier either mixed up his DOI with his 2c-i or maybe it was urbie that mixed them up.

I tried contacting him for more info but he hasnt replied yet

[slickstick]

It'd be nice if there was some sort of test kit. I would say its definitely possible.

[Alfa]

Although it would not give you a full analysis, there are test kits for sale, which give you a good indication of what you have. If the substance gives the same color reaction as it is supposed to give, the chance that the substance is not as described is minimal.

[joechip666]

Trace amounts of a substance purported to be 2C-I were once tested with the following reagents and had these color changes:

Marquis: Brown quickly changing to green-yellow then turquoise on the edges.

Simon's: Lavender. This seems odd. Could this be a result of impurites? Would DOI react this way?

Mecke: Maroon slowly changing to lemon.

Does this sound about right for 2C-I?

How would DOI test?

[radiometer]

This just in from another forum:

In December, a now defunct company prefixed with two identical consonants based in the US was selling 2c-i. This 2c-i sent to customers was in fact DOI (possibly DOC or another DOx) rather than 2c-i... There are numerous reports of overdoses and hospitalizations popping up, and anyone who should ordered 2c-i in early to late December from this source (before they started offering DOI for a second time at a reduced rate) should proceed with the utmost caution when testing their product.

(What's the reasoning this was DOI? Well, this company began selling 2c-i in early December, and at the end of the year 2c-i was no longer in stock but DOI, a product that the seller stated it would be discontinuing, was back in stock, at a vastly reduced price. It would seem that the seller got DOI instead of 2c-i mistakenly from his source, didn't test it, and sold it as 2c-i. They found out later it was not actually 2c-i, but didn't bother to tell the customers they'd sold to about the mix-up)

[Alfa]

As Nagognog2 predicted: that source was a train-wreck waiting to happen!

[N0ly]

thats messed up. I hope this isnt a common mistake.

[Lotuseater]

That is a very sobering report. Thanks for the warning. It's all too easy to lose slight of the dangers involved in this kind of activity.

[raven3davis]

SWIM has now been informing other swims to test a few mg of a compound first just incase it is the wrong chemical. It is so hard to tell the difference between two chemicals, a chemical analysis would be necessary to identify one compound from another. SWIM does trust his sources to some extent, but mixups happen. No one is perfect so there will likely be a mixup somewhere along the way.

Up until a few months ago DOX chemicals really werent being offered too much so a mixup between say 2c-e and 4-ho-mipt really wouldnt be TOO big of a deal. It is a whole different story now that the DOX series has gained popularity. Mistaking 20mg of DOC for 20mg of 2c-i could definitely be someone's last mistake to make. SWIM will definitely think twice before taking a compound and will likely taste a small amount before jumping into the deep end. This kind of accident is by no means isolated and SWIm heard of many mixups before operation WEB tryptamine even went down. Luckliy the mixups were between two tryptamines with similar doses. A mix-up is definitely not anything and SWIM would want but a mixup between DOI and 2c-i seems like one of the worst possible. Luckily SWIM did not take a normal dose of 2c-i (~25mg). This would have likely landed SWIM in the hosiptal and he might even have died.

5mg of DOI is a high dose but by no means an over dose. SWIM was probably just tripping way too hard and decided he needed medical attention. Scary shit if you ask SWIM, so everyone be safe and taste a few mg before hand just to be sure. Its your life we are talking about.

[GDxCAT]

Very good advice Raven.

After hearing about thhis the first time SWIG has tested all chemicals he has gotten since then at 1-2mg just to be sure.

[radio879]

Actually i know now that there is a *lot* of "2c-i" that was or is being sold right now that really is DOI. I actually ran into a friend of a friend today, he said he took 16mg 2c-i, couple hours later he said oh shit its DOI (he has a separate supply of DOI he was sold). This stuff is being sold everywhere it seems.. (a bunch of chems). We were in a car and he said BENZO'S so the girl driving drove to another friends house that had some he could eat - which he did and he's fine now just tripping.

Benzo's - always fuckin' good to have around for these kinds of things or whatever reason, "ah oh..shit! oh good, benzo's.."

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[radiometer]

^^ I think that sort of thing was bound to happen at some point once vendors started selling DOx family drugs. Frankly I'm surprised there have been relatively few trainwrecks and no reported deaths.

[Sick Jack]

I trust my vendors, but I will definitely in the future beginning by sampling just 1 or 2 mg of the stuff before dosing the first time.

[Nagognog2]

radio879: You state this happened to your friend, but you did not indicate where the problem was. Did this mix-up happen from a large distributor of 2-CI & DOI? Or at a local level? No source names, of course. But also don't shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre.

[nanobrain]

^he's not, Nag. the error is, of course, mid-level whole-retailers. the distribution scope is, as with anything these days, global

as always, caveat emptor and test your shit low - otherwise you may run out of rats quick.

microgram amounts are advised as a first run with anything. your body is different.

[Nagognog2]

Then we need a little meeting in the ol' back room to sort whomsoever is letting this go down. Funerals and more idiotic laws can ruin one's day.

[radio879]

Well this guy, friend of a friend, paid some guy out east (a city like 45 mins east of here) $200-something for a decent amount of 2c-c (looks like several grams, at least), then he has a baggie of DOI, and the "2c-i" thats really DOI.

I think its either a lab sent DOI to one or more suppliers by accident as 2C-I, or just one bigger supplier mixed them up.

Now, there was a time when a supplier was sent "DOC", and it was really 2C-I!!

... how the FUCK do they screw THAT up?

There was a order for DOC paid for a while back and the supplier got a huge load of 2c-i instead. For a short while there until some people analysed it (I posted one of those MS's) people just thought DOC just really sucked.. From then on said supplier received stuff, but before selling anything would send a sample to a friend to analyse first. Thats what a friend of some other friend who knows a guy that ran into a girl on the street said anyway, and i'd hope that supplier continued to do the same with each new shipment of a chemical. But thats just one supplier.

This guy with the DOI and DOI labeled as 2C-I can't get any DOC from whoever he got it from so who knows what supplier thats coming from, but i'd think if it was the same one he would have gotten some DOC too (I sure would have knowing DOC). All i know is there's a lot of fucking DOI going around seemingly everywhere...but not so much DOC (yet?).

[fatal]

it seems like a shame that such mistakes are being made. thankfully as far as swim has heard no one has died yet so this is a good thing. hopefully such foolish mistakes can be corrected and no one will end up being hurt too badly(knock on wood). otherwise though... as far as swim is conccerned if he were to purchase such a thing he tells me that he would be very happy to pay 2C-I prices for DOI or especially 2C-C prices for DOC. that part maybe not such a bad thing. try to test a sample wqith reagent if you have the available material and data to do so. otherwise i would say test low to be sure cause it couldnt hurt.

[r-evolution]

yeah, such mistakes are made, but only because there is no quality check. it could be all much better if they would finally get a rational mind and stop the "war against the users of certain drugs"

[fatal]

dear scape,
this is probably not the best place to talk about what you are buying etc. just a thought
lovingly yours,
a horribly obese man in his underwear who stole fatal's account and is smearing mustard across his chest because it feels good... soooo good...

[Pinkavvy]

Scape- Fatal is right, incriminating yourself on here is a BAD idea. The cop that lives down the street from you reads everything you type on here. Not only that, but self-incrimination is against the forum rules... which you should read.

Also, you say you'll keep us updated? How so? plan on telling us that it came or didnt come and you ordered from xyz company? If so, think again. Sources and their reliability can only be discussed in the sources forum.

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[fatal]

dear scape,
i read everything you write... and i dont like to wear pants... and i have a very strange fixation with mustard... sweet savory mustard... mmm... bear mace and mustard for breakfast lunch and dinner...
sexily yours,
the naked cop in his underwear that lives down the street who has been spying on your ecrimes(the warrant should be served next tuesday...3 oclock... please be home?)