Hmdma

[sipreme]

what's this shit?
i found it on a japan dealer, what is?
Is an HIGH mdma??

[sipreme]

they also sell PDB PMMA, (??)

[Nagognog2]

I can only venture a guess that it MIGHT be a 4-hydroxy - MDMA. Send them an email and ask them. Regards PDB PMMA I have no clue whatsoever. I hope it nothing like PMA, which has sickened and killed quite a few people.

If this bunch does not answer an email, you certainly do not want to do any business with them. Without naming names outside of the sources forum, do let us know what they have to say - or not say.

[joechip666]

"During MDMA synthesis, deliberate or mistaken substitution of the butanone for the propanone, followed by reductive amination, results in the formation of 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl-3-butanamine (HMDMA)." - E is for Ecstasy by Nicholas Saunders

[Nagognog2]

Very interesting! Does anyone have any information on the effects of this molecule in rats?

[enquirewithin]

"The effects of 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA or 'ecstacy') and two structurally related compounds, N-methyl-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-1-ethanamine (MDM1EA) and N-methyl-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-3-butanamine (HMDMA) were examined in two preparations: (i) a drug discrimination procedure in MDMA-trained rats and (ii) the chicken embryo, for determination of the direct effects of these compounds on the developing organism. The highest doses of MDM1EA and HMDMA partially substituted for MDMA, whereas higher (30-60 mg/kg) doses of HMDMA evoked clonic seizures in a separate group of rats. In chicken embryos MDMA had no effect on body, brain or liver weight, while the highest dose of MDM1EA decreased body weight and the 2 lowest doses of HMDMA increased body weight. All doses of HMDMA decreased liver weight (expressed as % body weight) when compared with contemporaneous water-treated controls. Taken together, the results of these experiments suggest that structurally related compounds share some stimulus properties with MDMA and may therefore share abuse liability. Furthermore, both MDMA-related compounds produced adverse effects on the developing organism, whereas MDMA did not."

http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=476

Clonic seizures don't sound nice!

PMMA is related to PMA, making it very dangerous. Shulgin says of PMA: "...the effects of PMA? At low levels, a seductive psychotropic buzz. Nice. At slightly higher levels, the clear effects of heart stimulation and blood pressure rise. Not nice. There have been reports of deaths associated with the use of PMA.

I would suggest staying away from this compound."


http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/pma.htm

[sipreme]

4ho-dipt ?

[Nagognog2]

UTFSE! (Use The Fucking Search Engine!)

[mixmike007]

Hmdma is like mdma ?

[joechip666]

Originally Posted by mixmike007

Hmdma is like mdma ?

On one day old chickens:
"...With the exception of MDM1EA, all of the drugs [d-amphetamine, MDMA, HMDMA, BDB] produced effects such as distress vocalization, wing extension, tremor, flat body posture, bursting forward movements, loss of righting reflex, and convulsant-like kicking..."

Which doesn't mean that it's "like" MDMA, but it at least is active in some way.

[mixmike007]

huum, ok. Thanks

[Alfa]

See this file in the file archive: HMDMA

[Nagognog2]

"File is damaged and could not be repaired." Ah well...

[Alfa]

I don't know why it won't open, but if you right click it and select 'save as', you should be able to save it to your pc.