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Old 27-01-2011, 00:18
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Adderall binge?

I know that I have already posted about my cat on this forum. This one is asking what the after affects she is feeling could mean or if it's just in her head? Also she wants to know if and by how much she should cut back. She did enjoy adderall, and has felt fine until last night.

Since last tuesday (the day my cat took her first dose of adderall, not perscribed), she has been doing it pretty much nonstop every day. Neither she nor I know that much about adderall or what is considered normal for recreational use. She's looked into a bit and has found mainly reports of using what she would consider smaller doses. The question she has is was (is?) she on what one would consider a full on binge? And if so, how much damage do you think has been done?

Here's the run down of the last week (Her pot usage isn't going to be listed, but that's been a daily thing as well):

TUESDAY (Day one)
Swallowed 20 mg
Snorted 70 mg
Chewed 30 mg

WEDNESDAY (Day two)
Snorted 120 mg

THURSDAY (Day three)
Snorted 120 mg

FRIDAY (Day four)
Snorted 120 mg

SATURDAY (Day five)
Swallowed 20 mg
Snorted 1 thizz pill (not sure of how much exactly)
Swallowed 2 more thizz pills
(Very little sleep)

SUNDAY (Day six)
Snorted 150 mg
(No food, no sleep)

MONDAY (Day seven)
Snorted 150 mg
(No food, no sleep)

TUESDAY (Day eight)
Snorted 60 mg
Swallowed 20 mg
(No food, but got some sleep)

WEDNESY-TODAY
Swallowed 20 mg

That's been her past week and half. Typing it all out my cat has realized just how much adderall that really is... it seems like a fucking LOT. But she also doesn't know. None of her friends seemed too concerned, only when she did a lot all at once did they say anything. Now she feels absolutely terrible. Headaches, upset stomach, irritable, antsy, exhausted but at the same time doesn't want to slow down. She wouldn't by any means consider herself an addict, another reason why she wants to know if this seems like an unusual amount.

My cat feels dumb asking this question, but nothing else on the internet has really helped. My cat is a female, 5'5", and has no idea how much she weighs after she started the adderall.

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Old 27-01-2011, 00:37
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Re: Adderall binge?

Hello again cat! haha, swim saw an adderal post in the new posts section and had to check it out as it is the drug he does the most of. Now, swim sees the dosage and the size of the cat and would call this an adderal binge for sure. Swim loves these kinds of binges but must say that they are very taxing on the body. Firstly, damage. Amphetamine causes neurotoxicity at an psychoactive dose, not to mention your cats dose. However, not to worry. In swims opinion this will not have any noticable psychological effects in the long-term, however, swim is concerned about swiys cats short-term outlook. Your cats just used up a lot of dopamine. This will depress your cat after the binge for a few weeks. Swim recommends L-tyrosine (amino acid) and bananas (Especially will brown spots on the fruit) to raise those dopamine levels back up. As hard as it will be, your cat should stay away from the ampets for a week or two, give her body sometime to rest, hope that helps!
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Old 27-01-2011, 00:41
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Re: Adderall binge?

thats a hell of a binge. she should definitely cease ASAP so she can eat and get some sleep. as far as long term health consequences, she really doesnt have much to worry about.

adderal and all generics are 1/4 Dextro-amphetamine Saccharate; 1/4 Dextro-amphetamine Sulfate(USP); 1/4 Racemic-amphetamine Aspartate;1/4 Racemic-amphetamine Sulfate. if your cat doesn't know what that means its ok its really superflous to the general point i'm trying to make. Most drug, be they recreational or not are usually 1 salt of the drug & either a 50/50 mix of isomers or just 1. Adderal is designed to have a relatively slow onset, a steady come up and a slow comedown, regardless of xr or ir. Because of this, short term tolerance can occur rapidly, even within one day of using. In simple terms, if someone uses adderal in the night and again in the morning, 6 hours apart the morning dose will not be as effective.

150 mgs of adderal is a lot to be taking in a single dose in an accademic setting, typically most students find themselve too high to get any work done at a much lower dose, but for 'getting high' thats a bit on the high end, but nothing too bad. SWIM wouldn't reccomend taking that much for more than a day or 2 in a row due to tolerance issues, but doesn't see any real harm in it
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Old 27-01-2011, 00:42
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Re: Adderall binge?

Haha, my cat thought she might be able to count on your (FinnishPharmer) for a reply
It's good to know that no long term damage has been done. Poor kitty... she doesn't like the whole idea of being depressed for a few weeks. Would remedies such as St. John's Wort or anything along those lines help her?

The one other thing that she was a little curious about is that she didn't really get all that high. The biggest change she felt was that she was a lot more talkative. Other than that she felt normal, just more alert. My cat wound up being able to get almost all of her work caught up, hence why she continued doing it. And it added up so much because she'd rail 30 mg's or so, go for a few hours, then feel a little sleepy. So she'd rail another.
Keep in mind she'd never done anything like this before, so there was no tolerance built up...
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Old 27-01-2011, 00:45
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Re: Adderall binge?

whoops, hit reply before he was done
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Old 27-01-2011, 01:01
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Re: Adderall binge?

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thats a hell of a binge. she should definitely cease ASAP so she can eat and get some sleep. as far as long term health consequences, she really doesnt have much to worry about.

adderal and all generics are 1/4 Dextro-amphetamine Saccharate; 1/4 Dextro-amphetamine Sulfate(USP); 1/4 Racemic-amphetamine Aspartate;1/4 Racemic-amphetamine Sulfate. if your cat doesn't know what that means its ok its really superflous to the general point i'm trying to make. Most drug, be they recreational or not are usually 1 salt of the drug & either a 50/50 mix of isomers or just 1. Adderal is designed to have a relatively slow onset, a steady come up and a slow comedown, regardless of xr or ir. Because of this, short term tolerance can occur rapidly, even within one day of using. In simple terms, if someone uses adderal in the night and again in the morning, 6 hours apart the morning dose will not be as effective.

150 mgs of adderal is a lot to be taking in a single dose in an accademic setting, typically most students find themselve too high to get any work done at a much lower dose, but for 'getting high' thats a bit on the high end, but nothing too bad. SWIM wouldn't reccomend taking that much for more than a day or 2 in a row due to tolerance issues, but doesn't see any real harm in it
The time duration on ir adderall should not concern her cat, it becomes a problem in xr preparations. One should keep meths long duration in mind, as it lasts much longer the ir adderall.

Now, that herb is good for overall mood, so if your cat has it, it wouldnt hurt to take. Your cats primary goal should be to get her sleep on once the tweaks gone. Using Calme's forte will help put her to sleep and will boost her mood a lil'. If your cat is anything like swim, this will only be a break and there is intention of future adderall use. So, your cat might want to take some magnesium supplements. These have been shown to reduce an amphetamine tolerance quite a bit during a break so that the reunion with her bud speedy will be even more enjoyable . Swim loves adderall and has definately gone on that kinda binge before, he has to have his friends hide his ir pills cuz other wise he eats em like candy when hes already tweakd. Take it easy cat!

FinnishPharmer added 8 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...

Well, if your cat wants to get some more bang for her buck outta her tweak tabs, she might consider takin the magnesium supps like swim mentions and takin her adderall with antacids, like Tums. Acid will destroy amphets and cause then to be processed quickly, pop a few tums n all the amphets intact and it will be retained. Swim finds that just like mdma, redosing amps doesn't add to that initial euphoria quite like that first rush. Swim takes em all at once an rides it out, throwin an xr or vyvanse into the mix will cause the speed to last longer. but thats just swim

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Old 27-01-2011, 01:09
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Re: Adderall binge?

sniffing (insuflation) vs oral administration of adderal is a highly debated topic on this site. SWIM tries to stay out of this one as much as he can, so he'll keep this brief. Snorting, sniffing, snooting, tooting, (or whatever else kids call it) adderal has been observed in lots of high schools around the country, so the manufactures of adderal for the US have modified the format of the pills to prevent users from getting much of a "rush" from insuflation. Basically there is crap in the pills that gunks up the nose, so once both notsrils are good and coated there's not going to be much absorption going on over those mucous membranes.

to help with the comedown from a binge, SWIM reccomends 5-htp, a precursor to serotonin which can be purchased from most major chain american pharmacies. this helps with some of the mental effects and any rebound depression your cat may experience. Magnesium; its been shown in studies that children taking adderal tend to have lower Mg levels after treatment than before. Mg can reduce the side effects of long term or binge use .
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Old 27-01-2011, 01:19
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Re: Adderall binge?

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sniffing (insuflation) vs oral administration of adderal is a highly debated topic on this site. SWIM tries to stay out of this one as much as he can, so he'll keep this brief. Snorting, sniffing, snooting, tooting, (or whatever else kids call it) adderal has been observed in lots of high schools around the country, so the manufactures of adderal for the US have modified the format of the pills to prevent users from getting much of a "rush" from insuflation. Basically there is crap in the pills that gunks up the nose, so once both notsrils are good and coated there's not going to be much absorption going on over those mucous membranes.

to help with the comedown from a binge, SWIM reccomends 5-htp, a precursor to serotonin which can be purchased from most major chain american pharmacies. this helps with some of the mental effects and any rebound depression your cat may experience. Magnesium; its been shown in studies that children taking adderal tend to have lower Mg levels after treatment than before. Mg can reduce the side effects of long term or binge use .
Great point about insufflation! Swim personally finds that taking adderall orally works far better for him and isnt nearly as nasty. About magnesium, most Americans in general have a magnesium deficiency, so swim thinks your cat should get some for her health anyway.
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Old 27-01-2011, 01:39
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Re: Adderall binge?

My cat thanks you both dearly.
She's been considering NOT railing these next few that she just got.. they're orange flavored and have (so she tells me) horribly disgusting drips.
But railing them for her is just a nicer feeling, once the drips stop.
In what ways does it feel different when you take it orally? Or is there not much of a difference, just the nastiness factor?
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Old 27-01-2011, 03:19
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Re: Adderall binge?

Adderall has a very high bioavailablity when taken orally. So the body basically can use most of the amphetamine as it is not metabolized very much before it hits her dome. Adderall contains only 10-30mg amphetamine in a tablet that weighs at least half a gram, the mystery of the extra weight is fillers, such as clay derivatives, to hold together the pill. This makes the pill nasty to snort, smelling like the color orange, which isnt good. However, this makes the amphetamine a needle in a haystack for nasal ingestion, so your cat already knows what oral adderall feels like b/c most of the amphetamine goes to her stomach in the drip! So your cat should save her nose and her dignity (sneezing orange turns some heads, swims problem was blue), and take it orally.
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Old 27-01-2011, 04:04
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Re: Adderall binge?

Bahaha.
My cat definitely loved that response (she prefers the off-brand 30mgs. They're bright pink. Her and her cat friends get a kick out of railing pink lines).
Her only thing is that she's heard that it hits you a lot harder when you rail it. Is that not true?
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Old 27-01-2011, 04:15
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Re: Adderall binge?

Swims glad your cat liked it! Anyway, theoretically, it should hit harder if railed b/c this way, it goes right from her mirror to her blood brain barrier. Problem is those damn fillers! If your cat had pure amphet layin around, swim says do it up like Tony Montana on a snow binge, but from swims experience with taking oral adderall and blowin it, he definately thinks with a few tums, oral ingestion is much better. And its not like swim doesn't like insufflation, but the only things he really will ever rail are snow, H n mali. N swim knows those lil pink poppers all too well, cor 135s what he can get around here, 20mg, but pretty pink none the less
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Old 27-01-2011, 06:48
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Re: Adderall binge?

Oh god.
My cat just railed another 60 mg of adderall... that nasty orange stuff mentioned earlier.
It's hurting more now than it ever has, and more than when she railed a thizz pill, which had been the worst until now, which is weird. Poor kitty
Haha, and now she just realized that this whole post was because she decided she was done with her binge. Although now, to her, doing 60 mgs feels like almost nothing ha.

And this might seem a little odd/gross, but my cat found it quite amusing.
Sitting down, if she blows out of the side of her mouth up her right nostril (not the ones she snoots with) it makes a normal sound like you were blowing air at your nose. But when she blows air up the side that she does snoot with, it whistles.
My cat had never experienced this before, never tried it haha. She just got pretty bored and found that out.

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Old 27-01-2011, 14:02
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Re: Adderall binge?

Hahaha , the things drugs can reveal to a person.
Aww, poor kitty, swim just took a 30mg adderall xr cause hes tired, but swim really recommends takin a break, your cat may find herself deeper into the amphet hole then she wants to be . But trust swim, your cat will come back from the break with no tolerance and normal dopamine reserves to start hittin the adderall like its her first time all over again.
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Re: Adderall binge?

WOW!

I know this threads old and all.
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I know I am new here, but that just seems like your flirting with the dark side of the force there taking that much. 40mgs gets my pet goat Mohammad goin' like a house of fire. I cannot imagine him taking 60mgs+. If 40mgs is enough to keep him "Baahhh"ing all night, and most of the day the next day, makes it seem like a hell of alot.

He normally gets the 20mg XR's, but he knows a friend who gets the 20mg IR's. Which he seems to prefer. For some reason, if he takes the xr's, he gets the shakes and shit. BUt with the IR's he doesn't. He just gets the full blown speed feeling. He is afraid to ask his veterinarian(did I spell that right?)to change to IR's. THinking his vet wont do it, and take him completely off them for some stupid reason.
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Re: Adderall binge?

The amount of amphetamine you have taken is formidable, and I have great sympathy for the hell you are going to go through coming off it. I know for a fact even 50mg over a few hours will give you a damn hard time in 12 hours time.

With amphets, the more you take, the higher you fly, the harder you crash.

When you finally find yourself coming down (amphetamine can stay in your system for a good half-day), you will experience exactly what you've already listed: mental and physical lethargy, irritability, no motivation what-so-ever, and just generally feeling like absolute shit.

My advice would be to sleep it off -- that's probably all you will be able to do. Perhaps take some substances that sedate and relax you to get your mind off the pain and discomfort (marihuana is a good start).

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