International - Hiding Stash

[Broxy]

Soft black is doing the rounds in swims neck of the woods but it is gash. Smells great in a spliff but not much of a high. Skunk is the the only other option, well apart from that rubbish that"s called soap bar which for the last six months has been mixed with something that makes the smoke smell almost like insence (sp?). swim remembers back in the day ,god,makes swim sound ancient ! when you could get all them different names that MarkyMayhem mentioned , it used to be fun peeling off the red/gold tape from the hash ha ha .

Broxy added 5 Minutes and 45 Seconds later...

EEK, sorry salviablue , swim should have paid more attention as it was you that mentioned the different names , sorry again.

Broxy added 915 Minutes and 24 Seconds later...

Swim had a section 18 served on his house a couple of years back. The old bill unscrewed his light switches , took the back off stereo"S , tv"S etc.. the whole nine yards basically. If it"s only personal bits swiy has the police usually would not bother coming through swiy door with their big red key , it"s only when swiy becomes a pain in the ass , people coming and going from swiy door every 5 mins they have to be seen to act and i"m sure that does not apply to swiy. As for bigger things swiy may have , Take swiy dog for a walk late at night to some woods , find a tree and bury the bits under that, making sure all"s well wrapped of course . Always leave a marker , like a twig , half buried so you can see it about a step away from where the bits swiy wants to stash ones bits. Most of the time on the first search the police usually don"t look in the most obvious place , leaving swiy thinking they are mugs for not looking there but you can be sure if they come a knocking again they"ll look there for sure.

[MarkyMayhem]

Originally Posted by Broxy

when you could get all them different names that MarkyMayhem mentioned , it used to be fun peeling off the red/gold tape from the hash ha ha .

Broxy added 5 Minutes and 45 Seconds later...

EEK, sorry salviablue , swim should have paid more attention as it was you that mentioned the different names , sorry again.

hehe thanks for the clarification.... I thought I'd totally lost it,
"WTF? When did I say THAT?"

[Deadlove]

Bleh...that's such a headache.

Live under the radar.

You'll never need to worry about hiding anything if noone is looking or suspecting!

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Not helpful at all.

[MatRespect]

Hi all

I previously stated that under UK law drugs carried in the body of a car are not in anyone's possession. This message was pulled from the system and I was asked to validate the information. I did so with Release England expect resource on drugs and the law.

Their lawyer confirmed that I was in fact wrong. Under Section 5 drugs in the body of a car would be in the possession of the driver unless someone else claimed them.

I am grateful to the quality checking on this system, firstly because it prevented my mistake from being spread on this system and secondly because I have been following this guidance since it was given to me. I must have been told it by someone who's view I trust to take it on but for the life of me I can't remember who it was.

Apologies for the misinformation and thanks to the quality checking team.

Best wishes

MatRespect

[ullyeus]

Originally Posted by MatRespect

SWIN would never store drugs in the car but if you are in the UK it is worth remembering that drugs in the body of a car are not in your personal possession. SWIN would always place drugs in a smell proof container or bag, making sure not to transfer finger prints in the process, and then leaving the container lose in the car. If stopped by the police, SWIN would remember the odd hitch hiker that had traveled in the car and guess that this was the source of the discarded drugs in the car. SWIN would lose the drugs but be less vulnerable to prosecution. Remember that you'd need to be able to survive a potential follow up search of your house hence the good advice given by other members about off-site storage.

If caught remember that whatever you say, say nothing. If the police have enough information to prosecute you they will. Saying anything to them only makes matters worse. It's so frustrating to see an obvious line of defense that has been closed off because someone talked to the police. The worst and most frequent mistake for recreational users is to say: Oh they're not all for me or I was buying for me and my mates, I'm not a dealer. This is an admission of supply. Release and other legal experts have argued personal possession for 1000 ecstasy tablets on the basis that someone brought their personal supply once a year. Don't make your situation worse by giving the police more evidence.

I find that surprising and hard to believe....who's possession are they in if not the person who is driving/owns the property they are found in? If this were true couldn't you store pounds of drugs in your car and use this excuse everytime...? It makes your vehicle a perfect uncatchable cache spot...

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Good point.

[MatRespect]

A key tip around scales is to remember that you're trying to avoid being done for dealing. In the UK at least possession of scales is not in and of itself a crime. SWIN owns two sets of scales and is not a supplier. Weighing drugs is an important part of being a conscious consumer. SWIN normal supplier weighs drugs in front of him and is upfront about selling 'grams' of cocaine that are actually 0.8gs. SWIN accepts that it is better to have better quality cocaine that is not full weight rather than having the drugs stepped on.

Being able to say to your dealer that a bag of grass was 1.75g not 3.5g makes dealers either be upfront about their deals and makes them think twice about selling you deals that are light.

Of course the other reason to have scales, particularly highly sensitive ones, is to weigh out doses. This is a key harm reduction technique.

If the police raid your house and find scales they will try and use this as evidence that are supplying drugs. Look at where you store them and what else is stored alongside them to reduce this risk - don't store them alongside wights of drugs or bundles of money even if this is your rent money kept in the same safe as your scales. Think about how you would defend yourself in court.

Otherwise be clear about why you hold scales. You are a conscious consumer and practicing sensible harm reduction strategies. Store you scales in a way that reinforces this declaration.

In the UK, Release could help you with special witnesses to reinforce this position if you are busted and ownership of scales is used against you.

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Excellent advice

[terrapinzflyer]

have uploaded a pdf to the archive : "Common Vehicle Cocealment Methods used in the USA" from the DEA Microgram Dec 2003 here

Contains a long piece on the "Common vehicle concealment methods used in the USA"

Should be noted that not only is this several years out of date but is also the unclassified version

This should give swimmers an idea of how good cops are at finding hidden stashes. And keep in mind this is not only a bit outdated, but the unclassified version. And while this was published by the DEA it is made available to regular police forces...

[salviablue]

Originally Posted by terrapinzflyer

have uploaded a pdf to the archive : "Common Vehicle Cocealment Methods used in the USA" from the DEA Microgram Dec 2003 here

erm....??......damn pixies.....?

(or am I being blind??)

[terrapinzflyer]

ahh- the turtle hates the archives sometimes- its infested with gremlins. After probably a good 40 attempts the pdf is uploaded and the link above is fixed.

Thanks for the heads up

[cyberslick18]

If you think you can just vacuum seal something and hide it from a dog, think again. Most dogs can smell on a microscopic level, which includes simple dusts. Unless you were incredibly, painstakingly sure to clean off any amount of microscopic "scent" contamination, from the original product, to the multiple layers of vacuum sealed bags, odds are you have a very nicely sealed product with a ton of "smelly" dust all over the outside.

A dog will find that before it gets out of the officers car.

This is a brief explanation obviously, but a dog's nose is so powerful, it can essentially smell things in layers. If you were to smell a bag of weed encased with coffee, the coffee would be the majority of "scent particles" in the air, and that's likely all your nose could process. Think of water with one or two single grains of salt in it. Your tongue would never be able to detect that salt, but if you were to run that through a computer analyzer, it would very clearly detect the salt, because it would separate the different substances into layers.

So when you pack marijuana into a bag of coffee, the dog simply smells a bag of marijuana, and a bag of coffee. A dog often will simply find the general location of the marijuana SMELL. It doesn't find the pot, it finds the pot's SCENT. The dog doesn't know that there is a bag of weed in the tire of the car, it knows that a microscopic scent of pot is near the tire. If you handled the product, and then later touched the tire, that would trigger the dog.

Your best bet to beating a dog is:

1. Don't have drugs in the car. It warrants being said. Maybe an area, or a mode of transportation where dogs aren't an issue.

2. The dog is simply doing a "job". Like the cop, it want's to do the job, because the officer is telling it to. The "job" is very much like finding prey, which is what Labradors (most common drug dog) are genetically built to use their noses for.

If you had another "prey" in the car or vicinity, that COULD be enough to distract the dog. Roadkill, a cat, female dog menstruation, other animal scents, might work. Nothing is guaranteed in this business, and if you are moving drugs, you should know that.

3. Somehow guarantee that there simply isn't a scent. Don't bother covering up a scent, but rather, eliminate it. This unfortunately, is something I have no experience with.

These "tricks my brother's cousin did once back in 94" are the same "tricks" that land people in jail.

For every "lol stupid cop pig" out there, there is another officer dying to prove his worth. Anticipating ignorance is pretty much ignorance in and of itself.

Just my two cents on the subject.

[terrapinzflyer]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

t's so nice of you all to inform law enforcement where to look (and tear apart) in your homes, vehicles...etc. I'll bet this thread is being copied and mailed to local police all over the world!

Originally Posted by Frond

Posting something online is like shouting it out into a loudspeaker in the middle of Times Square. The Man is listening.

Turtle thinks folks must have an overly low opinion of police or an overly high opinion of this thread.

Smuggling/ hiding items has been around as long as man, and by no means limited to drugs.

Turtle would say their are two main reasons cops don't find something- they are either tired/lazy, or they don't think there is something to be found.

Luck is either with swiy, or with them. The technique that works in one case will be found in minutes in another.

Like so many aspects of drugs- its russian roulette. Whats the line from the old movie "war games"? "Silly game, the only way to win is not to play"

[Bubbakush3069]

Just FYi, vacuum sealed bags will only retain the smell for a short peroid of time.. Plastic is permiable over time it eventually will noticable to the dogs nose.. I beleive you have 48 hours at room temp..

[naddel1985]

hello,
i think the best stash is out of my house !!!!!!!!

i have see in tv that drug dogs can not detect drugs in coffee i have see it it works.

stay save

[Bubbakush3069]

Something swiy could do it this:

Take a home depot 5 gal bucket (cheapest ones around) Get some camo fabric and use some spray adhesive to adhere the fabric. Once finish youll have a water tight container that can be tossed in a bush or tree'd area..