International - Hiding Stash

[wgoff]

ive heard that using lockers in public places may not be a bad idea....example if you have a gym that you go to regularly... rent a locker out from them.... the locker rooms are generally in the dressing room where there are no cameras also

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I like this idea...also easy to go there once or twice a day!

[adzket]

in the uk there is a company called beterware they make hosehold items one thing i have used from there is this stone that has a removible bottom and is holow inside you can hid quiet alot in them place in your house with other stones or in your garden. also i dont know about the states but in the uk if they find scals that could be used for waighing drugs that ives them resion to surch your premisis but if you leave some gold or silver jelery with it you say its for waighing shuch things and they dont bother you. luckly in the uk you cant get aressted for parifinalia so pipes bongs and the shuch cant get you into trouble. if your hiding drugs it would be a good idea to wrap it in something that sniffer dogs dont like i have heard black peper can work and am shure there is other things to

[sidewalkpharmacist]

COGNITIVE

JIU-JITSU
© 1999 by Jim Hogshire


Thieves, kidnappers, cops, and other fans of brute force don't mind breaking the law. They don't mind breaking bones. They sure don't mind breaking down doors to get at you or your stuff. Steep walls and barbed wire won't deter such goons anymore than steel vaults stop bank robbers.
The best protection against this type of foe is to hide. Crazed Vandals can't steal your collection of Hummel figurines and drag your daughters off to be sold into slavery if they think there's nothing in the place!
Of course, even the dumbest goon has eyes and ears. Sometimes he'll bring metal detectors and specially trained dogs to sniff out your valuables. These are indeed problems to creating a find-resistant hiding place, but they are not impossible to defeat.
The subtle art of camouflage (a.k.a. "hiding") substitutes a kind of cognitive jiu-jitsu – the Japanese art of disabling an adversary using his own strength and weight – for the sheer strength of thick walls. The stash itself is of secondary importance when considering a hiding place. Hiding things requires a mix of science and intuition is more than a clever trap door or a one-way mirror. To find a good hiding place you've got to consider who is looking – and consider his or her point of view.

In the Eye of the Searcher

Cognitive and mental limitations on perception influence thinking and behavior as much as social and emotional forces. Sensory organs and the brain itself work in measurable, predictable ways that can be used to create the sort of effects magicians and psychologists use every day. Human perception, especially visual perception, has been studied enough that certain psychological "constants" have been noted. Cognitive psychologists speak of the "law of proximity," "law of similarity," "law of good continuation," and so on. For example:

• People tend to see continuous lines as belonging to a single edge. In fact, the psychological need for "pattern recognition" is so strong it seems impossible to perceive something as random or just coincidence. People will "connect the dots" – even if the dots are meaningless. Disrupting patterns is almost a definition of camouflage. The amorphous leaf-and-dirt colored blobs on a soldier's uniform make his man-shaped outline far less conspicuous.
• According to the "law of proximity," things that are physically near each other are perceived to belong together. Good use of this concept can provide a misleading context to the searcher and keep your hidden stuff safe. Also, unless obviously "out of place," most things are assumed to be "where they belong."
• "Good continuation" describes how people will mentally complete partial images in logical ways. The old arrow-through-the-head gag works because of a perceptual tendency to perceive the straight line of an arrow, even if that is clearly impossible. It is also easier to recognize things we already "know." That's why so many hiding techniques depend on making something look like something else.

Hard-wiring in the Brain

There are also physical limitations to perception. In vision, for instance, there is only one part of the retina that can truly see things in sharp focus – the fovea. Anyone looking at something will situate themselves so the image falls in this area.
The best protection is to hide. Crazed Vandals can't steal your collection of Hummel figurines and drag your daughters off to be sold into slavery if they think there's nothing in the place.
Eye fatigue begins in only .002 seconds, which is why the eye constantly makes tiny and quick jumps (called "saccades") at a rate of 4-5 jumps per second. It is only between these jumps that visual information is transmitted to the brain. No information gets through during the jumps. It's impossible to really stare at anything for long without compromising perception. Getting someone to stare at something narrows his or her field of vision.
The central portion of the retina is most sensitive to color and certain ones are more readily perceived than others. Green, for example, is easiest to perceive. Peripheral vision is geared toward detecting shape and movement – especially movement. Movement is so compelling that if the corner of your eye catches sight of a train under way, you feel as if you are moving. The animal instinct to pay immediate attention to sudden disruptions in the environment (flash! bang!) can be used to derail a searcher's concentration.
Another way to occupy (and thus waste) a searcher's mental capacity is to pit the brain against itself. Here again, neuroscience gives us some concrete suggestions. For example, light flashing at three times per second (3 hertz) excites certain areas of the brain in just about everyone. An EEG machine shows this "spiking," but the brain's activity is not noticed by the subject himself. Other specific frequencies can attract and hold portions of the brain's subconscious attention, too. Some frequencies even cause seizures in susceptible individuals. So a strobe (or even a light behind a fan blade) flashing at, say, 7 hertz might interfere with a searcher's concentration – without his ever knowing it. A flashing frequency at around 4 or 5 hertz might mimic the frequency of the eye's saccades and further inhibit a searcher's ability to see much.

The Subconscious

This is where perception is most vulnerable to subversion. An active subconscious is a real nuisance to anyone trying to analyze a complex scene. And, once started, subconscious thinking is hard to suppress. And so many things can trigger subconscious thought! Smell is particularly effective for this purpose – the scent of bubble gum, burning leaves, or rotting meat that forces an unrelated, but captivating, train of thought. Sounds, including music, can stimulate the subconscious enough that it nearly obliterates conscious thinking. Ever been lost in a daydream? To effectively work this angle, take a tip from the experts (advertisers and politicians) and play to crude emotions – fear and sex are the best.

• Dedicated searchers will wade around inside septic tanks if necessary, but, like everyone else they'd prefer to avoid doing such unpleasant or uncomfortable things. A thing might be unpleasant all by itself, (feces, hardening mucus, used tampons, etc.) or it might trigger psychic discomfort – fear or embarrassment. Unpleasant sensations are especially distracting if accompanied by an irresistible fascination.
• Pornography (the kinkier the better) is great for getting people's attention. Some men cannot help but react to it. Whether they like or dislike it is immaterial. Porno gets their attention and hogs it. Same goes for any "Satanic ritual" paraphernalia found around the house. Lots of people are spooked by this kind of thing and it preys on their minds, seriously affecting their thoughts. All sorts of powerful, symbolic red herrings can distract searchers, leading to flawed lines of thinking and wrong conclusions, deflecting attention from whatever you've concealed, keeping it safe.

Always consider cultural, sexual, and other social biases when hiding something. And do not ever forget the human ego.

Self Image

That person ransacking your home has emotional needs, too, you know. He wants – even needs – positive reinforcement just like other people. His self-image is at stake here so you must cater to that and provide the right blend of carrots and sticks so he won't find what you've hidden. Again, keep the searcher's point of view in mind.
Who is the searcher anyway? Is it your mom? A thief? The police? How does the searcher view himself and the search? What's the motivation? What's the expected gain? This is important because, in the end, the searcher's identity and expectations will determine the method and intensity of the search as much as anything else.

Cops

Police won't respect your expensive or fragile property whereas your mom probably will. Then again, mom can always return for another look, while cops get just one search warrant, and that's it. Mom might feel a little bad about snooping, and there are probably things she'd rather not find so her search may not be too intense. Her tendency might be to see the benign, innocent side of things. Police aren't like that at all. Police expect to find evidence of a crime (usually a specific crime) and will interpret everything in a way that supports their expectations.
Cops see themselves as in the right. They have no misgivings about what they're doing, and blame their victim for any harm they may do. Their self-image is on the line while they are on duty. Cop peer pressure, cop boss pressure, and cop ego require them to be successful and never get caught making a mistake. They have incentives to find what they came for and they have super permission to do it, so the search can get intense... for the thing they came for.
What are they looking for and what are their preformed ideas about what and how they'll find it? If police come for drugs, they'll probably miss any illegal wildlife (such as eagle feathers or an ivory amulet), unlicensed radio transmitters, maybe even counterfeiting equipment! But it means they'll suspect anything and everything of being drugs that they perceive could be drugs. If they can't find drugs, they have a serious problem: they can either admit failure (fat chance!), start lying, or even plant something. This cop needs your help, pronto, or he could cause a lot of trouble!
A cop's need to be right, combined with natural laziness suggests two ways to handle this – although both mean "giving" them something.

"Have a cookie, won't you, officer?"

Psychology suggests that after an initial psychological "pay-off," subsequent pay-offs have got to be better than that to motivate the continuation of a behavior. All the cop needs is something to make his search "successful" and he stands a good chance of stopping if he doesn't immediately get another, incrementally larger pay-off. That's why it's worth it to give them something – even a bit of their quarry – to protect the rest. It's also possible to allow searchers to find something that looks and feels like a suitable prize when it really isn't – a mistake they don't discover until later... much later. There are other variations on this tactic – all of them playing directly to the searcher's need to succeed.
Every search has a time limit. Once police have spent a few hours ransacking someone's house, they have to leave. A second search warrant is highly unlikely. (In fact, one of the best places to hide anything is in a freshly searched house!) Knowing this, waste their limited time by increasing mental fatigue and fostering "habituation" to the search scene. The longer a person looks at a scene, the more his awareness of his surroundings decreases. He's already looked at everything a couple of times. Soon, he's seen everything. This feeling of familiarity joins his preconceived ideas about how things are supposed to look, making it easier to reinforce his observation, which is (hopefully) that the search is over – a dud.
Although police searchers are trained to do things like look up, they cannot avoid preconceived images of what is being sought, what it looks like and the places it must be. For a long time, U.S. Customs officers cleared a lot of cocaine that had been mixed into a plastic mixture and formed into – in one case – dog kennels! This clever idea uses the inspector's belief he knows what he's looking at. Cocaine, he knows, is a white powder, not a solid black plastic material in the shape of a Porta-Potty! The subtle art of camouflage substitutes a kind of cognitive jiu-jitsu – the Japanese art of disabling an adversary using his own strength and weight – for the sheer strength of thick walls. Opium has been smuggled in two interesting ways. One method used opium dissolved in water as dye for "batik" printed cloth. Here again is a case of what an inspector sees and how different that is from what he knows opium looks like and how it must be packaged. Opium has been openly "smuggled" in unsealed containers, without any special disguising at all. Perhaps it got by inspectors because it was so obvious. Opium, they knew, is not so blatantly imported. It's found in hidden compartments. Perhaps they connected the dots and concluded the stuff must be something else. There really is such a thing as "hidden in plain sight."
Which brings up another important psychological/behavioral trait: People believe labels. Like a newspaper headline, the label helps cue them what to think... and what not to think. If the bottle says "Valium," then the cop knows it's not children's aspirin! Or amphetamines for that matter. Right?
This tendency to make assumptions based on labels (or some other outer characteristic that does essentially the same thing) is very powerful. I know a guy who carried his heroin with him in a prescription bottle. When a cop caught him jumping a subway turnstile, he naturally took the opportunity to rummage through the contents of our hero's pockets. The cop never opened the bottle! Good thing, too. Instead of neat round tablets of legal medicine, the bottle was full of smack in dime bag glassines.

The "Authority Effect"

A related phenomenon is the heavy influence of one or another "authority." More frequently than is comfortable to think about, an authority's opinion is truer than reality. Erroneous, but authoritative information, will be believed over observed – but conflicting – information. If the stern airline captain tells his yammering co-pilot the wings are sufficiently de-iced, the co-pilot changes his mind, even at the risk of his own life. This is exactly what happened on a Florida-bound commercial jetliner that crashed into a freezing river in Washington, D.C. Another way to occupy (and thus waste) a searcher's mental capacity is to pit the brain against itself. Authority doesn't have to wear a dashing uniform, either. Most authorities are friends or colleagues, including that ubiquitous character known as "the boss" who is, naturally, "always right." But not as right as technology. Even a boss has less real authority than a pocket calculator – or any other sort of computer. Anyone who participates in modern public life in America today knows that information from a computer carries more weight than personal observation. If the bank says you're broke, you are. If the grocery store scanner rings up a 29-cent can of caviar, well, then it must be on sale.
Maybe the most powerful authority is known as "most people," or even, "the majority." The rule of the mob, er, majority rules, is even thought to be a good thing and is taught to children in schools across the land. When adults do this it is sometimes called "democracy" or something similar. When teenagers practice it, it is called "peer pressure," however.
Behavioral experiments in peer pressure show people will change their own observations to conform with a majority – to avoid confrontation. If the group insists the ball is orange, few individuals will argue for long that it's red – even if that is what they see. Other, more extreme experiments, show people will obey authority to an astonishing, even gruesome extent – especially if they are allowed to act as part of a group, obeying the orders of a doctor, a prison guard, or some other stereotypical manifestation of authority. In real-life, war's authoritative blessing transforms otherwise reprehensible and criminal acts into something good and noble – almost to the point of holiness.
This war mentality permeates the already hierarchical (authoritarian) world of today's para-military cop, where "authority" has even greater meaning. The cop's feeling he is above the law and all-powerful makes him less likely to back down from a bad decision creating a dangerous situation for everyone involved. But for you, it is a situation to turn back on the searcher. Such arrogance is almost assured to blind them to more than a few things. It is in these blind spots you can hide almost anything and carry out your subversive, unholy activities.

Other Ideas

• If searchers are working in a group, you can take advantage of another phenomenon of "partial report," which is the problem of perceiving something without being able to name it. This happens a lot if a person looks at a number of things, then turns away to list them out loud. Invariably, some things are left out of the list. The searcher sees things but cannot articulate them accurately. Beware, he can still make use of information he didn't report, by his co-searchers won't.
• Multiple sensory input causes confusion and can seriously distort perception. Because vision usually dominates all other senses, including hearing, it is most likely to trump all other information and be perceived as reality. Test subjects holding a rectangular object, who are also tricked into thinking the object they see is a triangle, will misinterpret tactile information and "feel" a triangle! Seeing really is believing!

Cops see themselves as in the right. They have no misgivings about what they're doing, and blame their victim for any harm they may do.

Building a Good Hiding Place

There are plenty of clever hiding places, but the good ones work because they take advantage of the built-in human flaws in perception and cognition. They make use of the constraints anyone has on his abilities to see and to process information, and the circumstances of the search. No hiding place is perfect for every situation, but there are some concepts to keep in mind when constructing a hide.

• Hollow out things that are supposed to be solid – chunks of metal, porcelain, even rocks. It's something of a chore, but a big, nondescript rock can be hollowed out then cemented back together. Almost no one thinks of rocks as hollow.
• Use things that are supposed to be sealed – canned goods, light bulbs, even a tube of toothpaste are all candidates. How about fruit? A banana, an apple, a pear, even a bunch of grapes could be modified.
• Turning things that are supposed solid into a liquid. Most drugs and other illicit substances can be dissolved in legal-looking liquids and later retrieved by evaporation, filtration, etc.
• Make something that's usually short and squat into something flat and thin. Things that are supposed to be a single unit (a statue, for instance) can be broken down into several pieces and then scattered around.
• Whenever possible change the thing's color, shape, place it is normally found, and especially its position. A lava lamp lying on its side can be almost invisible... especially to someone looking for a lava lamp! This technique takes advantage of the searcher's pre-formed expectations.
• Things that are already "empty" or "full" can be made otherwise. How about that pot of cold coagulating stew on the kitchen stove? There is a lot of room just under its lardy surface for anything you want. How about hiding things in the walls of a strongbox? Once the box is opened, it's been inspected, right?
• Some things supposedly have no interior, like a painting... unless the thing you're hiding is in the paint or the canvas!

The "perfect" hiding place will change an object's expected form, then put it where it is not usually found, placed at an unusual angle in a place that is difficult to inspect – preferably where there are lots of distractions and chaos.

One Last Thing

Of all the things to hide, information lends itself to the most inventive solutions. Besides memorization there are codes and microdots and techniques of embedding text into a picture or even another text where it can't be read or even recognized, without knowing just how to do it. The "perfect hiding" place will change an object's expected form, then put it where it is not usually found, place at an unusual angle in a place that is difficult to inspect. The most difficult thing to hide is probably people. Humans are big things that require air, food, water, even companionship. They excrete waste material, make involuntary noises, give off smells and it's hard to really alter their shape or divide them into pieces for later reconstruction. Remember this when setting up an underground railroad.l
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	a very nice post.!.
	Oh yeah, thats good info dude!
	Excellent post
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[notquitebrilliant]

Hiding your stashes at home- I used to dig a hole in my yard and bury all my stuff there when I thought the heat was coming down (it wasn't, really, I was just totally geeked on amphetamines). If you're sure to put everything in a completely sealed bag, and it is fairly compact, then the toilet tank makes for an ideal space.

Hiding drugs while driving is a little harder I think. My general rule of thumb used to be if I see a cop somewhere behind me, I take my stash and shove it in my underwear, right by my dick. Kinda gross, but that's the one place where they can miss something from doing a pat-down. In actuality though, if I was getting pulled over and had enough distance from the cop car still, I'd just chuck my shit out the window.

[fryingsquirrel]

Swim had something taped to the top of a ceiling fan and it wasn't found. Not saying that would always be the case.

[Pinkavvy]

the le has a warrent to search your home, they already know what you have and probably even know where it's hidden. but even if not, they will search and search until it's found. they can go as far as tearing holes in your walls to find what they have a warrent to find.

so, "hiding" it in your home is useless. if they have enough evidence to get a warrent to search your home, and it's in your home, then you're fucked.

depending on your city, there are many places that offer "anonymous security boxes" ... for example my town has a place that has anonymouse po boxes and security boxes available. this is one of the few safe places.

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Good point, if its at the point they've busted down your door...you are likely busted...

[KorSare]

Buy one of those nice hollowed out weighted pop cans, with a screw off top... I've seen em on ebay and online head shops... and keep your fridge stocked with legit coca cola....

[garbled]

SWIM had a psychotic girlfriend who would G him out at night and take his car apart. During the day while he was at work, she would tear the house apart. It got to be a competition.

A bottle of ear drops for SWIMs dog had a notoriously salty taste to it. So did bottles of saline solution for contacts. Blue bottles of plant food also passed the test.

Ketamine lives well inside of food flavoring extract bottles. A milliter or two of vanilla actually improves the taste.

A few pills can be stashed in between your cell phone and the leather cover you have around it.

Most cars today have the air filter separated from the engine by a hose connected to the filter box. Take the cover off the filter box, lift the filter and you have access to a rather significant empty area.

If your car has a console, take the screws out that hold the storage compartment in so that you can lift the compartment out of the console intact. Lots of room under there.

Many auto remotes open up to allow you to change batteries. Room for a gram in there.

Take a felt-tip pen, pull it apart and discard the felt ink cartridge. Stuff some tissue into each end snug enough to take the "shake" out of whatever you stash in there. No noise, nothing odd here. Damned thing still writes for a while too!

Light switch covers, electrical outlet covers, shower curtain rods, toilet paper holders, faux soda cans, pop bottles, etc. are all already known to LEO. Don't try these, they'll be checked first. Electronics and computer hiding places usually are already known to LEO as well.

As far as stashing items in personal things, such as the cold stew in the fridge, that can only serve to incriminate the owner of the stew. If, on the other hand, you hide something within the physical structure of the building, you might get by with saying it had been there since before you occupied the structure. If it's inside the burger patties in your freezer, it'd be hard to pull that one off.

You can usually find adaquate space inside heating/AC units, stoves, refridgerators, washing machines/dryers. The more effort it takes, the less chance of being discovered.

Most apartment complexes have utility panels for access to cable TV connections, telephone lines, water cutoffs that can be used. Just find one close to you and then determine if it's accessed often. Even those locked are usually easy to gain entry to.

Common areas like laundry facilities can usually provide something of use. Boiler rooms are also good, and if your apartment has a basement or access area under the building, you are in luck. Older buildings with trash chutes are great places to drop a package into attached to a rope. Just let it hang until you need it. Avoid recreation areas since they are so heavily trafficked and usually occupied by children.

A post above mentioned avoiding the obvious. An 8ball dissolved in water and kept in a Sinex bottle won't attract as much attention as a baggie in your closet. Both achieve the same result. SWIM heard of a guy who put an ounce of meth in a glass of water, no one ever noticed. SWIM knew someone else who had two grams of meth inside of a Sharpie pen. He got arrested and they never found it on him.

Just remember that in a search, it will take the LEO as much time to find your stash as it took you to hide it in the first place. Lengthen the amount of time it takes for you to hide it and increase the chance of getting away with it. Most of these ideas are null and void in the presense of canines.

Oh, and if someone above thought freshly dug dirt looked suspicious, what makes you think a fresh square of sod doesn't look equally as suspicious?

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	thanx, you gave good suggestions.!.
	great ideas and some sound advice as well!

[psyki]

FYI everything I have read about safes indicates that they are NOT
exempt from search warrants. The warrant does not even have to
say "safe" on it, if it's in your house it is fair game.

[Muirner]

Originally Posted by psyki

FYI everything I have read about safes indicates that they are NOT exempt from search warrants. The warrant does not even have to say "safe" on it, if it's in your house it is fair game.

Exactly, it is on the premisis of your house, there is no reason to believe that it would be safe from a search. Now the only rule i could think that would midigate it from a search is that Police are not aloud to open a closed bag/safe unless they have probable cause or it is a threat to them. Now this could be said that "oh we thought he was selling drugs so we need to get the safe open."

I saw something tonight u might wanna think about... Go to an Army Navy surplus store and look for surplus Ammo containers. These are airtight, and water proof. get a few of these and bury them somewhere and it could work. I've never heard of a search where they use metal detectors, but if your gonna bury them in your back yard have Sod to cover the spot that you just dug up or it'll look fishy


Muirner

[psyki]

Originally Posted by Muirner

Exactly, it is on the premisis of
your house, there is no reason to believe that it would be safe from a
search. Now the only rule i could think that would midigate it
from a search is that Police are not aloud to open a closed bag/safe
unless they have probable cause or it is a threat to them. Now
this could be said that "oh we thought he was selling drugs so we need
to get the safe open."

I saw something tonight u might wanna
think about... Go to an Army Navy surplus store and look for
surplus Ammo containers. These are airtight, and water
proof. get a few of these and bury them somewhere and it could
work. I've never heard of a search where they use metal
detectors, but if your gonna bury them in your back yard have Sod to
cover the spot that you just dug up or it'll look fishy


Muirner

If the warrant specifies something that could fit inside a safe, like
drugs, weapons, or cash, then opening a safe would most definitely
would fall under jurisdiction of the warrant.

[Muirner]

Very true psyki, but also even if they didnt take that tact, the new Homeland Security laws enable them to do shit that was previously illegal, such as Search your Trunk, Glovebox, open closed bags in your car, and i'm sure it's the same type of thing at home too


Muirner

[circsee1]

what about unscrewing a wall switch and placing something inside? the insides are always well protected so you would have to worry about shocking yourself and their is a fair amount of room. How about inside door knobs? take apart the door lock and if the wood is right you can stuff quite a bit of stuff inside, then put the door handle back on. that may be a little bit of overkill but just an idea.

[kemistudent]

A vacuum bag *(2x) and mother earth is your bestest friend.

[genaro]

stereo is a bad idea: much too much people already had the same idea...I even saw cops seraching two guys in the street, they were seraching their bags and even opening their sandwiches!

if cops take the time to come to your home with a warrant (be careful in some countries no warrant is needed!) then be sure they won't forget to take a look at your car too, that's obvious.

[genaro]

just kiddin:

magicians are the best, they can make a canary appear our of their hands and then make it disapppear it again in front of 100 very attentive & concentrated spectators

Swim has some knowledge of illusionism....swim could make a big white empty room which is 1/4 full of stuff appear completely empty (as long as one doesn't approach too close to the special corner of this room)
This does also applies to boxes (of any size) which have the advantage of never ever beeing entered by anyone...but also the disadvantage of beeing possibly shaked or hand-lifted (which reveals their weight) and thus revealing it's not empty even if it looks so (also note that if someone would put his hand in the empty-looking box, then this would also reveal the illusion)

This beeing said, dogs don't care about eye-tricks, they use their nose

no swim won't reveal how the magic works hehehe

[MrMouse]

Depends how paranoid one is but certainly concealing items outside is an option. One should never co-locate smelly items with those which have little or no odour.

Subterfuge in plain sight is the best option as has already been stated. Obvious places like under a bed, in a freezer, behind drawers or medicine cabinets should always be avoided. Ok maybe family/friends won't look in such places but it's the first port of call for LE.

Think of robust everyday items which with a little ingenuity can be altered to suit your needs. Electronic/Electrical goods or consumbales are a good option but they must also function, appear completely intact and be easily accessible to the user after the modifications but not so the searcher. A set of hinges, some glue and an extra locking screw ... voila

[kemistudent]

the le has a warrent to search your home, they already know what you have and probably even know where it's hidden. but even if not, they will search and search until it's found. they can go as far as tearing holes in your walls to find what they have a warrent to find.

Very insightful, this happened to my cousin. They tore holes in the dry wall looking for a safe they thought he had installed in a recent addition to his house. Nothing was ever found in the walls, but that didn't stop them from tearing the whole house appart. Had they found something, they would have stopped.

[Thirdedge]

Some good ideas people, heres a few more . . .

Smear a female dog when in heat onto scwabs and freeze. Take out and scatter before or even during a raid. Dogs much like men will soon loose interest in drugs if theres pussy to be had

Set up fake / dummy drugs in more obvious places, eg: some of those fake buds from hightimes, kitchen herbs in a plastic bag, white powder . . . get creative and make sure there is a legitamite reason for having the fake substance besides tricking the DEA.

Get rid of all rubbish imediatly. If you have purchased Cannabis, cut off any stalk or cabbage and discard. The police will weigh stalk etc and count it as bud. Bury it under the compost or whatever. Likewise poppystraw, cactus scraps etc.

Mimimise utensils, and try and use things that have a legitimate usage. Clean pipes with the dishes after use.

If you only smoke Cannabis it may pay to buy a pack of tobacco to store lighters, papers etc with.

Aviod looking at the place where you have stashed your stuff, this may sound obvious, but Police often take the victim for a walk of the premises and monitor his eye movements. Try and focus on a neutral part of the building.

Inside of a pepper shaker is a good quick hiding place.

[Nagognog2]

It's so nice of you all to inform law enforcement where to look (and tear apart) in your homes, vehicles...etc. I'll bet this thread is being copied and mailed to local police all over the world!

[TheTrueBlackMeat]

...Truly the best way to hide the "pirate's booty" is to have it off your property, since in many ways that is an excellent legal protection. Let's hope nothing gets dusted for fingerprints, and that your fingerprints are on file.

Essentially, obscurity is the best option in this case, and then legal wiseness.

I have many ideas upon this subject but will not submit them as they are very creative, and since the authorities may watch this forum it would thus be worthless to submit them.

Walk around in your own house and pretend your a cop searching a suspects house...

...If you had a pet kangaroo you could keep a pouch of "sugar and spices" in his baby pouch. Have a blowup doll and fuck it creamy regularily, use the shit out of it, stuff the crap up her/his lovin' portal. You think a cop wants to search that? Be gross, and messy, having a messy shitty nasty house makes no one want to be there, let alone know where to search. Do you think a cop would want to stick his fingers in a fake pussy? Plus if its hidden, its understandable... Hiding the stash in a gross place wards people away.

That's a tip I will give because now cops will think of searching gross things, and they probably won't find anything, so it is a cruel mockery to them! Ha!

[matti_2003]

Originally Posted by TheTrueBlackMeat

Do you think a cop would want to stick his fingers in a fake pussy? Plus if its hidden, its understandable... Hiding the stash in a gross place wards people away.

That's a tip I will give because now cops will think of searching gross things, and they probably won't find anything, so it is a cruel mockery to them! Ha!

HaHa You could invest im a "fleshlight" to hide your stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleshlight

[Police Officer]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

It's so nice of you all to inform law enforcement where to look (and tear apart) in your homes, vehicles...etc. I'll bet this thread is being copied and mailed to local police all over the world!

I agree.

Unfortunately I already look in all of those areas. The fake pop cans and bottles are old. We found out about them along time ago. Same with the shaving cream cans.

Yes, we search the gross areas. And it seems as if the drug users have more gross areas than other ppl. Just an observation. Mainly meth users.

On a separate note, why would you have a "gross place" in your house to begin with?

Putting the stuff in pens and markers seems to be becoming popular.

[Sitbcknchill]

Originally Posted by Police Officer

I agree.

Unfortunately I already look in all of those areas. The fake pop cans and bottles are old. We found out about them along time ago. Same with the shaving cream cans.

Yes, we search the gross areas. And it seems as if the drug users have more gross areas than other ppl. Just an observation. Mainly meth users.

On a separate note, why would you have a "gross place" in your house to begin with?

Putting the stuff in pens and markers seems to be becoming popular.

Well...........

Hello officer,

My question for you.

Where is the most common hiding place that you guys find drugs/illegal shit?

[Police Officer]

Originally Posted by sitbcknchill

Well...........

Hello officer,

My question for you.

Where is the most common hiding place that you guys find drugs/illegal shit?

For the love of god, the pants pocket. When I call a drug user a "Doper," its a generic term coined by law enforcement. It seems as if most Dopers are way too lazy to put any effort into anything, which would include hiding the dope. Cops are, by the nature of the game, a step behind all day long. But, when you're a step behind, you catch up quickly. Thats why we learn about the hiding spots quickly. You cant get away with something forever, and that includes using illicit and illegal narcotics. Not trying to be condecending, just trying to call it how I see it.

Anyways, its the pants pocket. BTW, hiding dope in the jock is dangerous. Police dogs that search ppl...well you can imagine.