Does boiling the kratom powder increase the strength of the effects?

[ramjet]

Warning: I'm going to ask a question, but first you're going to have to read a whole lot of shit about my background with kratom. Skip it if you wish ;-)

I've tried the 6gm powder twice. The first time was my first kratom experience and I got a nice euphoria, quite a strong sedated "warm blanket" effect, I felt sexually aroused and my pupils were like pin pricks. Great! I smoked a couple of joints too, which seemed to enhance the effect. Really good combo ) On this occasion I boiled the powder for about 20 mins in a pan, stiring constantly. The powder wouldn't really disolve properly. Although the effects were good, drinking this foul brew was quite possibly the most disgusting thing humanly imaginable. I mean SERIOUSLY disgusting. Extremely bitter and putrid, with small granuels unelegantly sticking to the back of my throat. [wretch] Still, it was worth it for the effects, which I loved on this occasion.

Next time I tried the same amount, in powdered form after a shroom strip. Just experienced a heavy feeling, nothing that great. Definitely not worth the pain of drinking that revolting broth.

The next few times after that I tried making a tea with the resin. Much easier to drink. Still really bitter, but not as putrid and with no nasty bits of powder flowting around in the drink. The first time with the resin was OK, but I got annoying itchy and restless feeling toward the end of the experience. The second time was better, on account of me having weed to hand. Again, I was in an extremely pleasant mood, all my muscles were extremely relaxed and I was enjoying just chilling on my nice comfy chairs, playing on my PS2. Still not as good as my first experience.

Yesterday I bought 6gm powder again (around 3-4 months since I last did kratom), but, on recommendation by the shop ass., mixed it with 1 litre of orange juice (with bits in - important). Amazingly I hardly tasted the kratom at all. The taste was still there, but it was 50 times better than drinking that horrible tea. Only prob. is: I experienced very little i the way of effects. I felt nicely relaxed and definitely in a more positive mood for a few hours, but that was it. So do you have to make a tea with the powder to experience it's full effects or is this just a tolerance thing? Maybe it's something else?

[snapper]

Thanks. We need more info on people's favorite way of ingesting this stuff.
Keep in mind that your batches were probably all different, so this could account for varying effects.
In SWIMs opinion, eating powder seems to work as well as tea, and encapsulating takes all of the revolting taste out of the picture.

Snapper

[sands of time]

Snapper, there are a few topics regaurding favorite methods of consumption -http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14550

Ramjet, I have been consuming the powder in pudding for the last 4-6 months. I would say it is the longest lasting method, and when I first tried it, it was the strongest. Lately I have been wondering if taking the powder first and redosing later with the tea would be the best method. I find that if I take 1 dose I will get decent effects, but if I redose it will be almost useless.

The tea method should be the fastest acting method, so I can see why it could be the strongest for some. Tolerance could also be an issue if you are taking more than a few times a week or 2 days in a row. It is very easy to build a quick tolerance.

[panchovilla]

A very simple way to mask the tea is to add honey and some sort of cream like soy milk, milk, coffee creamer.

My first choice is soy milk. The liquid coffee creamer probably isn't that healthy but it taste damn good.

[snapper]

I actually posted in that thread, Sands of Time..

SWIM feels that after having worked with the same material for some time now, it dosn't really matter how it is taken. SWIM has been most interested in the availability of alkaloids with each method, and so far they all seem about the same. Capsules slowest to come on, and work less well on full stomach, powder loose (applesauce, pudding) next fastest, then tea. Typical change in dose / response time (ie-shorter duration has more intense effects).
Another method SWIM has been working with is smoking extract AFTER oral ingestion. It gives a noticable boost to the effects. Smoking on its own does not seem to do much, but on top of oral dosing it has a distinct effect.

SNAPPER

[sands of time]

Hmm, I have never heard that smoking extract can boost the effects. How do you smoke it? I've seen people try it and all they ended up doing was burning it with very little smoke. I would suspect that using a hot poker to stab the resin might work better. What do you think about using the tea as a booster? Kratom increases the amounts of stomach acid, so I think that might be a reason why booster doses of kratom powder are useless for me.

[ramjet]

what do you mean by consuming it in pudding Sands of Time? What pudding are you refering to, how do you mix the powder in with the pudding, does it require heating or cooking?

[sands of time]

I just dump a tablespoon or 2 of kratom powder in pudding. After that, I mix it all together and eat it. With each bite, I take a swig of water and mix it all in my mouth. It's much better than using apple sauce.

[snapper]

Smoking by several different routes has worked. Placing small amount of resin into herbal carrier of choice and burning seems to work fine (melt it into the herb, like with 'herbal hash-like products' in tobacco). SWIM has not tried glass pipe yet, but will at some point. Preliminary attempt by SWIM with vaporizer was promising, but more work is needed.

SWIM has found boosting with caps works fine, but higher doses are needed to acheive peak effects again. SWIM simply cannot stomach tea or even in pudding / applesauce. Somehow, over time SWIM has developed a strong aversion to this plant - the thought of it makes SWIM want to chuck!

SWIM feels that stomach acid does not break this one down, but makes it more absorbable, hence it works better on an empty stomach. If you wanted to bypass stomach acid and get intestinal absorption, a full stomach would be a better route to buffer some of the acid. SWIM finds that first thing in the morning on an empty stomach with a big cup of coffee really kicks it in.

There is also the possibility that grapefruit juice potentiates the effects but blocking liver enzymes. This trick was discovered by the DXM crowd years ago, and really work similar to harmala alkaloids with tryptamines. There was a thread somewhere where someone tried it and it seemed to boost the effects. This is another area of valuable research.

I guess SWIM is really motivated to find a convenient and non-disgusting route of ingestion, and so far the capsules win. Resin would approximate it, but SWIM finds better effects overall from the leaf orally (and cheaper!), and uses resin only for smoking at this point. SWIM feels that all you SWIMs out there should do some 'research' of your own to help optomize the beneficial properties of this relatively expensive herbal incense.


Snapper

[zenben]

SWIM grinds the 41% alkaloid resin with a coffee grinder and uses his home gel-cap making kit to make easy to swallow gel-caps (about 3.5-4g necessary for good opiate-like effects). This method works just as well as tea without the foul taste. SWIM finds that the most important factors are 1. always take on an empty stomach 2. ingesting with gel caps requires more time to digest than tea but the overall effects are exactly the same. When SWIM used to make the tea, he found that to get the full effects, he would have to eat the leftover material anyway, so why bother?

[Ninja]

That pudding method is amazing, SWIMs gunna have to try that next time. Cause SWIM cant stand kratoms shitty taste.

[freshair1]

If you're using tea method,leave it to cool for,say 5mins and add dilutable juice concentrate-I find blackcurrannt or raspberry best.Obviously use as much as you need to mask the foul muck,but for me it is a simple and effective solution.

[snapper]

SWIM decided a while back that tea was about the same as eating powder or leaves straight on an empty stomach. SWIM cannot tolerate the taste of the leaf, but never has any nausea with encapsulated material.
The tolerance thing has not borne out for SWIM. Daily use (SWIM knows - BAD!) has actually caused a decrease in weight per dose. SWIM gets a way better effect with a 2-4 g than with 10 g, and this smaller dose actually seems to stay the same with daily use. SWIM has taken quite a bit of time to get to know this plant, and has found teh effort rewarding.
Snapper