Combinations - CandyFlippingtastic! (LSD + MDMA)

[Jatelka]

Swim’s NYE experience:

Setting: Her house, 10 people on drugs, only her and partner on acid. 3 glasses champagne drunk beforehand. Usual light diet (yoghurt, nuts, and dried fruit).

T0: 2 Microdots taken (she thinks about 250mcg). She has decided to wait before taking MDMA (normally takes 2 blotters and 150mg all at once).

T1: Starting to feel acid. Walls starting to breathe. Very sociable feeling.
T11/2: Acid kicking in. Feels much more sociable than usual. Normally she has an ”inward” trip (lying on sofa, eyes closed, going with flow). Tonight very interested in everyone. Much more like a 2C-I experience (warmth + interest/interactive). Chatting away, but with lots of lovely colours. Xmas tree (through half closed eyes) looks amazing,
T2: Takes 150mg MDMA powder (bombed in rizla). Vague nausea. Easily overcome.
T23/4 MDMA noticeable. Lovely physical rushes, hair starting to stand on end. Walls breathing in time with body rushes. Lots of tracers, Xmas tree looks even more lovely. Gorgeous. Hasn’t had body rushes like this for a while. Much more aware of separate components than when doing LSD+MDMA at same time. Even more talkative/sociable. She is informed later that over the next hour she becomes quite disinhibited (although apparently not embarrassingly so!)
T4: Very much tripping now: No anxiety or body load (for her a triumph). Beautiful OEV’s: True OEV’s, not related to lights/distortions. Nymphs dancing, twining round real people. Chatting to a close friend who she’s not seen for ages: Feeling what he’s meaning. Feeling deeply emotionally connected (LSD normally makes her feel quite detached). Have candy-flipped before, but she thinks that spacing it out has added much more depth.
T41/2: Really feeling both. Body rushes pulsate with visuals. Feel the need for olfactory input. Chanel No 5 sprayed (lightly). Synaesthesia explosion! Feeling very warm/expansive. No smothered feeling or need to be outdoors in the dark. Dealing with high stimulus environment well. Close friend says “Did you really do acid?”
Timing goes weird here: Empathy/MDMA thing really prominent. No anxiety. Time distortions rushing by. Visuals like you wouldn’t believe: Fantastic landscapes, amazing ideas. She doesn’t think she has ever felt like this before. She wishes she had words to describe….
Rushing like there’s no tomorrow. Smell=Sound=Feeling=Sound.
Have no insight really, just sensation. Was trying to write (for trip report): Incapable. All the rest from memory.
Far more social than she has ever had: MDMA/LSD/Candy-flip. Really felt like this was something different. True connectedness. Feeling completely at one with the universe. Overwhelming sense of peace. Not religious (coz she doesn’t do that!) but definitely far more spiritual than she has ever felt before.
T (approx) 8: Now outside in dark, with partner. Feeling calm, centred, and blissful. Hallucinations still strong, but all very deal able with. Not had to bump MDMA, non of that "chasing after the buzz" thing she often gets. Just feels very contented. Feels like it will never end. People drifting in and out, no irritation/edginess: Floating peacefully.
T (approx) 9: Spliff offered. 2 drags taken. Feel like back to beginning. Time/Universe looping around a fixed point (her).
T10: Definately on the downslide now. More MJ smoked, physically feels very tired but no achiness/muscle tension/nausea.
T12: And now to bed.

Talked too long: wanted to share this with you all: Despite years of experiences this is the closest thing to a ++++ she has ever had.

SWIM hasn't done it justice.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	great report, sounds like SWIJ had a nice time!
	excellent report
	nice!
	love the candyflip report
	Nice report

[Nature Boy]

SWIM's never done the LSD/MDMA flip but has done psilocybin/MDMA which unfortunately for him didn't work out too well. Stomach cramps from the shrooms and overheating from the two drugs combined made him sweat like a motherfucker and he felt like a disgusting mess. Afterwards SWIM felt like it was a waste of good drugs combining the two together. He was so glad when the effects wore off (actually rather quickly).

However, LSD is always great for SWIM. He's never had a bad experience on it (has had minor bad trips on shrooms) and he always has a great time, laughing his ass off to the point that it hurts. SWIM might do the LSD/MDMA flip someday as he has generally heard great things about it but not for a while as he is going through one of those phases where the only drug he really enjoys at the moment is marijuana.

Good report.

[ramjet]

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else has had bad experiences with the mushroom/MDMA combo as opposed to the LSD/MDMA combo. Is one generally thought to be better than the other?

Unfortunately SWIM's love affair with weed is over, about 10 years since SWIM began smoking the stuff. The only time SWIM LOVES smoking weed is after/during MDMA or mushroom experiences, which will ALWAYS produce excellent results to the extent that weed is a necessity when taking these other substances. Occasionally SWIM smokes it by itself and experiences some nice effects and a high reminiscent of the old days, but more and more frequently it just makes SWIM feel disorientated, lethargic, drugged, antisocial, overly introspective and paranoid. Shame really. Whereas before SWIM could smoke weed anywhere and at any time and guarantee a nice high, it's really dependent on set and setting nowadays. Not necessarily a bad thing I guess.

[decliningdruguse]

Sounds like a cool experience.

ramjet, SWIM is right there with ya, it is a good thing.

[Alicia]

hmmm a very interesting combination j, Swia has read about it herself and on how they seem to work together and will write her own report when she experiences. Good read.

[JumpinJackFlash]

Best trip report i've read in a while *thumbs*

[seechao]

SWIM has tried the mushroom/md(m)a combo many times, as well as the lsd/md(m)a combo, and has always loved the combination, as to which is better... SWIM thinks its realy dependant on your own preferance in the lsd/mushroom area, both are well enhanced in much the same way. SWIM thinks that many of the perceived diferances are self imposed by expectations.
SWIM personnaly loves both equaly, and finds that MD(M)A always seems to focus the trip more on the energetic properties of the body, and interpersonnal interactions, both become easier and are greatly enhanced. SWIM usualy experiances energy flowing thru his body, rushes of heat/light that are amazing. he always gets more chatty as well, and drawn to personnal interaction, more prone to open emotional connections with people, haveing very deep conversations, etc. Always a great combination for SWIM.

The best combination SWIM has had the pleasure to experiance however, was the marijuana/lsd/shrooms combo. After having taken a 6 month sabatical from pot, SWIM smoked an offered joint reflexivly while peaking on a 2 hit/3.5 gram combo, and was thrown into a ++++ where everything disolved into beautifull flowing fluorecent (arabic/sanscrit)esk writing, it all flowed to the right, and drained into some pluridimesional hole just outside his feild of vision. The hole was still visible, his feild of vision warped to allow that, and once everything was thru, he got sucked thu the hole, and floated, egoless for a while, only returning when spoken to by great effort. Everything became sacred, SWIM could "see" that it had always been so, and many experiances from SWIM's past floated by, and where dealt with on a purly emotional level, and let go. One fo SWIM's memories of the space he was in, involved a large amount of small smiling children's faces, laughing and giggling, and moving in a kaleidoscope with fractal edges flowing thru each other(again, pluridimenssional) and he could hear the laughing and playing of the children, but experianced the same kaleidoscopic fractal movement with the sound, amazing audio hallucination that can never, ever, be repeated by simple sounds, beautifull...
This was one of SWIM's top 5 psychedelic experiances, and the experiance that warped his perceptive abilities the most, my senses where capable of experiancing things that are impossible in 3d space normaly. Makes you realise what your brain is capable of, and how flimsy our accepted "reality" could be, and is. Makes SWIM want to take more pot sabaticals...

[CRUNK]

Good report. I know a guy who wishes he could get his hands on some good microdots. Because he knows some of his best trips have been off microdots.

Take it easy,
cRUNK

[toostupidtopuke!]

http://www.matrixmasters.com/podcast...eNorte2006.mp3

heres a podcast with Nick Sand talking about synergistic combinations, particularly eating E first than the L than when coming down multiple Dmt hits

[tone3721]

Originally Posted by Jatelka

Swim’s NYE experience:





T1: Starting to feel acid. Walls starting to breathe. Very sociable feeling.
T11/2: Acid kicking in. Feels much more sociable than usual. Normally she has an ”inward” trip (lying on sofa, eyes closed, going with flow). Tonight very interested in everyone. Much more like a 2C-I experience (warmth + interest/interactive). Chatting away, but with lots of lovely colours. Xmas tree (through half closed eyes) looks amazing,

T23/4 MDMA noticeable. Lovely physical rushes, hair starting to stand on end. Walls breathing in time with body rushes. Lots of tracers, Xmas tree looks even more lovely. Gorgeous. Hasn’t had body rushes like this for a while. Much more aware of separate components than when doing LSD+MDMA at same time. Even more talkative/sociable. She is informed later that over the next hour she becomes quite disinhibited (although apparently not embarrassingly so!)
T4: Very much tripping now: No anxiety or body load (for her a triumph). Beautiful OEV’s: True OEV’s, not related to lights/distortions. Nymphs dancing, twining round real people. Chatting to a close friend who she’s not seen for ages: Feeling what he’s meaning. Feeling deeply emotionally connected (LSD normally makes her feel quite detached). Have candy-flipped before, but she thinks that spacing it out has added much more depth.
T41/2: Really feeling both. Body rushes pulsate with visuals. Feel the need for olfactory input. Chanel No 5 sprayed (lightly). Synaesthesia explosion! Feeling very warm/expansive. No smothered feeling or need to be outdoors in the dark. Dealing with high stimulus environment well. Close friend says “Did you really do acid?”
Timing goes weird here: Empathy/MDMA thing really prominent. No anxiety. Time distortions rushing by. Visuals like you wouldn’t believe: Fantastic landscapes, amazing ideas. She doesn’t think she has ever felt like this before. She wishes she had words to describe….
Rushing like there’s no tomorrow. Smell=Sound=Feeling=Sound.
Have no insight really, just sensation. Was trying to write (for trip report): Incapable. All the rest from memory.
Far more social than she has ever had: MDMA/LSD/Candy-flip. Really felt like this was something different. True connectedness. Feeling completely at one with the universe. Overwhelming sense of peace. Not religious (coz she doesn’t do that!) but definitely far more spiritual than she has ever felt before.
T (approx) 8: Now outside in dark, with partner. Feeling calm, centred, and blissful. Hallucinations still strong, but all very deal able with. Not had to bump MDMA, non of that "chasing after the buzz" thing she often gets. Just feels very contented. Feels like it will never end. People drifting in and out, no irritation/edginess: Floating peacefully.


Talked too long: wanted to share this with you all: Despite years of experiences this is the closest thing to a ++++ she has ever had.

SWIM hasn't done it justice.

The affects you describe sounds more like a-LSD as apposed to d-LSD. Or, as some have called it orange spunshine. Drip, drip. Did you notice any, paisley oev's?

[Nagognog2]

What do you mean by "a-LSD"? To my meager knowledge of chemistry there is d-LSD25. There can be also l-LSD25. And d,l-LSD25. What does the 'a' represent?

[seechao]

I'm just guessing here, but probably AL-LAD(6-allyl-6-nor-lysergic acid diethylamide)I seem to remember reading somewhere that that was the chem in california sunshine blotters. Back in the 70s or 80s, somebody tried to get away with selling it, but got busted anyways because of "expert" testimony that al-lad converted into lsd by the body when injested(which as far as I can tell, is still debated)

Also: nah, sounds like lsd+mdma to me

[Nagognog2]

Almost but not quite (stay out of organic chem. labs - you'll blow your self up! LOL!). You are thinking of ALD-52 (1-Acetyl-N,N-diethyllysergamide). The '52' infers the number in the series of Lysergic Acid derivatives synthesized by Sandoz Labs in Switzerland in the 1930's & 40's. LSD-25 was...can we guess which number in the series? YES! The 25th one played with! So, despite all sorts of myths and rumors, now you know what these numbers actually refer to.

But none of this chemical history lesson answers the question of what a-LSD is. My best guess is d-Lysergicacidtypographicalerror mono-tartrate.

[tone3721]

ald-52, or acetyl-LSD, or swit supposes N-acetyl-LSD to be more correct. Or 1-Acetyl-N,N-diethyllysergamide. As opposed to N,N-diethyl-d-lysergamide. Yes, hoffmans 52nd molecule in that series. How bout D,L-Acetyllysergic acid diethylamide. Would be the acetylated (-C(O)CH3), derivative would it not? Swit, could be a bit off here, off the top of his head. a-LSD is more slang for swit, not nomenclature. Hell be exact from now on when referring to it.

[Jatelka]

Goodness: People have started speaking in tongues (or chemistry, as others may call it)!

tone: The visuals were as they have always been for SWIJ with LSD, just with an added layer of MDMA empathy.

She has absolute faith in the provenance of the substance and is sure (or as sure sure as she can be, without actually manufacturing it) that it was d-LSD

[tone3721]

ALD, is usually much more of an outward trip, as you described. While LSD is inward, with much more of a "head trip" which sometimes, has caused anxiety in individuals. In swits experience, the visuals are very melty, and drippy, and wavy like gravy.....lol, often seeing paisley. Never on anyhting, swit knew for sure was d-LSD, has he seen the paisley patterns, somewhat like fractal paisley. On d-LSD, they seem more precise, spirals, usually in czecherboard patterns. Dont think however, that getting ALD would be a bad thing, or even misrepresented. Its usually considered very special, and quite lucky. Swit remembers the first time he waded through the jell-o, lol Unfortunate for swit tho, that batch was a tribute, to a personal hero who passed and left us somewhat early. The wheel keeps turning, that trip taught swit to learn from his elders, not repeat their mistakes or shortcomings. After all, their is still so much furthur to go.

"I sing the song
because I love the man
I know that some
of you don't understand
Milk-blood
to keep from running out.

"I've seen the needle
and the damage done
A little part of it in everyone
But every junkie's
like a settin' sun."

"Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreaming"

[Jatelka]

SWIJ has to say that she attributes the "outwardness" of this experience predominantly to the set and setting: NYE, party atmosphere, dear friend who she hadn't seen for a long time, general festiveness because of Xmas tree etc. The emotional connectedness felt later she attributes firmly to the MDMA.

As for the "quality" of the hallucinations: SWIJ has always tended towards drippy/melty/pulsating. Not only on LSD but also with 2-CI, 2-CB, MDMA and marijuana (eaten mainly, but to a lesser degree also when smoked). Precise/Geometric visuals have only been encountered with DMT.

SWIJ thinks (for her at least) the type of hallucinations are based on expectation and state dependant learning. She expected DMT to be different, ergo...

[tone3721]

Swit likes pinwheels, lol. Swit thinks alot of it can be setting too, of course this is all from swits perspective, could be different for everyone he supposes. Probably was dextro-LSD, in swits experience, ALD is very rare. Usually a more significant occasion than christmas, brings it around, but you never know.......

Also, to get precise geometric patterns on LSD, you gotta eat a bunch, at least in swits experience. Ie: mg's.

[podge]

Originally Posted by tone3721

Probably was dextro-LSD, in swits experience, ALD is very rare. Usually a more significant occasion than christmas, brings it around, but you never know.......

.

ALD turns into LSD when it combines with water so swim guesses that they both feel the exact same as ALD will turn to LSD when it enters the human body.

[D.U.M.B]

SWIM has done both lsd/mdma and mushrooms/mdma. Personally SWIM says he prefers the lsd/mdma combo. Like nature boy pointed out, from time to time mushrooms can give (depending on the person) stomach cramps and that happened me. And having stomach cramps while tripping balls isn't exactly ideal.

SWIM did some MDMA and LSD in combination just two weekends ago. SWIM hadn't taken anything for a few months and so decided to have some MDMA and it was nice as can be expected. Then a friend showed up and had some LSD tabs for everyone. So SWIM ended up taking the acid too. The mdma had been in his system for maybe two hours or so already so it was a new experience. Generally SWIM takes the LSD first and then the mdma once he feels come up from LSD.

It was a nice night defiantly. The combination worked very strongly, uncontrollable laughter, open and closed eyed visuals, walking funny etc.

Pity SWIM didn't know he was going to be doing the combination or he would have wrote a trip report. Next time.

LSD+MDMA = Kickass Trip

[Jatelka]

^^^ Indeed. SWIJ loves those LSD giggles

[tone3721]

Of course, ALD hydrolyzes to LSD, in the presence of H2O. Funny thing tho, it doesnt feel the same, exactly. Then again, anyone who has ever absorbed a bunch of it knows that. Could be that it only partially hydrolyzes, in the body, possibly? Swit, has no formal biochem.

[Spare Chaynge]

mdma and mescaline is what swim likes the best. very good body high and crazy visuals

[questforstarfish]

That was the loveliest trip report swim has ever read and has made candyflipping swim's next goal now!