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Old 08-01-2011, 02:29
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Why isn't Ether more popular?

SWIM huffs ether every now and then and has absolutely no idea why people frown upon it so heavily. It's like tripping on LSD, but darker. The hallucinations SWIM gets on ether are crazier than hallucinations SWIM gets on LSD/Mushrooms. SWIM has never had a headache from ether and feels it has never lowered his IQ. SWIM feels a little stupid after huffing for about an hour or two, but after that there are absolutely no after effects. Ether is a great cheap trip. 3 bucks at the gas station and SWIY can huff it as long as you want. The only problems SWIM has experienced with ether is the smell. People complain about that. SWIM would probably rank ether in his top 5 favorite drugs and is wondering why people don't like it. So let's hear it... why do you guys dislike ether?
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Old 08-01-2011, 02:35
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

I'm not fond "huffing" anything. Mainly the stigma attached to it. I picture a 15 year old huffing out of a paper bag and having spray paint all around their mouth.
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Old 08-01-2011, 02:40
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

The "ether" you're buying at the gas station for $3 bucks isn't pure ether. It's starter fluid mixed with abunch of other way more dangerous/toxic chemicals. Pure ether is relatively safe but that is not what you are getting. You're getting an ether/heptane (I think it's heptane) mix. It's way more dangerous than real ether. And that "water extraction" on starter fluid doesn't work either.

Pure ether is definitley on my friend's to-do list but he isn't going to huff a can of engine starter fluid.

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Starting fluid is a mixture of volatile hydrocarbons (heptane, butane or propane), diethyl ether, and carbon dioxide(as a propellant). It is often useful when starting direct injected diesel engines or lean burn spark engines running on alcohol fuel. Starting fluid works due to the low autoignition temperature of diethyl ether: 160 °C (320 °F)

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Starter fluid is sometimes used as an inhalant. Sometimes referred to as "passing the shirt," the starting fluid is sprayed on a piece of cloth and held up to one's face for inhalation. This trend has gradually picked up since the turn of the century, as phrases such as "etherized" and "ethervision" have gained popularity. The effects of inhalation vary, but have been known to include lightheadedness, loss of coordination, paranoia, and sometimes hallucinations.
It should be noted that the constituents of starting fluid, most especially the solvents, are significantly harmful to the health, especially relative to pure diethyl ether, which is less harmful

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Old 08-01-2011, 02:49
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

Yes I know the starting fluid isn't pure, but SWIM has had no negative consequences from huffing it. SWIM once broke into a university chemistry lab... though has no recollection of this... and stole lab grade ether. Ether has given SWIM the some of the craziest hallucinations in his drug use. DMT and IV 2ce currently are the top with 10 hits of LSD and 2 rolls and Ether ranking 3/4.

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Also why do people pour it on cloths and huff like that? SWIM just sprays it into a bottle and inhales the fumes directly from the bottle through his nose. This way you don't get your face covered in the fumes and you don't have to keep pouring it on the cloth.

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Old 08-01-2011, 23:06
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

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but SWIM has had no negative consequences from huffing it
would blacking out and stealing ether not be a negative consequence.

and to answer your question, ether isnt popular because its a dissasociative not a psychedelic, dissasociatives are typically not as popular, plus the stigma of huffing, and the fact that the experience is typically described as dirty.
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

SWIM always thought all solvents were fairly dangerous, perhaps pure ether is not that bad but is not without risks, see the following from "A Treatise On Therapeutics, And Pharmacology Or Materia Medica Vol1", by George B. Wood"

This is a very important medico-legal fact. Should the inhalation be persevered in, there is risk of a suspension of the function of the respiratory centre in the medulla oblongata, and of death from asphyxia. Some instances of this kind are on record; but they are extremely rare. With ordinary care, and in an ordinary state of system, death can scarcely result from this cause under the influence of ether.* Indeed, I believe that the ethereal intoxication is much less dangerous even than the alcoholic. But an undue perseverance in its use, in cases which resist the stupefying influence of the ether, is sometimes followed by serious nervous disorders, and injurious if not dangerous sanguineous determinations, which may last for a considerable time
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:15
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

Wouldn't ether just make most people feel drunk, or actually make them pass out, rather than being psychedelic? Maybe I'm a bit out of date but I always thought it was a general CNS depressant, a bit like alcohol.
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Old 09-01-2011, 22:46
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

Is ether not toxic to the liver?
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

Its actually a dissociative and can produce powerful trips like high doses of nitrous. Only the duration is longer, and levels of ether seem to build in the blood.

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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

Also, the heptane in the starter fluid is psychoactive on it's own. It's known for causing hallucinations.

Pure ether, from what I've heard, is far less hallucinogenic than the heptane/ether mix. It's supposed to be a strong "drunk" feeling with some dissasociation.

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Is ether not toxic to the liver?
I haven't read anything that says ether is particularly hepatoxic. That said, it certainly isn't healthy for you.

Here is the MSDS on ether

Here is some info on hepatoxicity of various inhalants

Here is the MSDS on heptane. Far more toxic than ethyl-ether but not specificaly hepatoxic.

Chloroform may be what you are thinking of that is so bad for the liver. Here is it's MSDS.

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Old 10-01-2011, 02:29
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

you know Ive often wondered if SOME inhalants are really as dangerous as they are made out to be, when afoaf was really young and ignorant, he tried huffing gasoline and had an out of this world trip, the strangest thing he has experienced bar none, but would not recommend it, and he wouldent do it again, but he has to ask, are there any studies done that arnt from antidrug studies showing the dangers of recreational inhalants.
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Old 10-01-2011, 02:43
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

^Some are more dangerous than others. Some are hepatoxic, some neurotoxic, some renaltoxic, etc. Nitrous oxide is relativley safe for example. The main (immediate) dangers from inhants are asphyxiation or CNS depression (depending on which inhalant is used).

TBH, my friend has tried "duster" and iso-butane and they were both (hate to say) pretty enjoyable. Butane is a crazy, crazy trip. You close your eyes and it transports you to some crazy fucking places. My friend said he was sent to the moon and spinning around on the second hand of a gaint clock! No joke, that's the best he can describe it. It was pleasurable, too. Duster (fluroethane?) is pretty much like nitrous except a little more intense. He hasn't done either in a while (couple years) but he is opposed to doing them again.

There's a thread on butane. Here is the experience thread though no one's posted in it. Since it's so frowned upon, I think most people are hesitant to share their experiences.

Honestly, if you read the iso-butane MSDS here, it really doesn't seem too toxic (in comparison with other inhalants).

here's the butane wiki discussion: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ghlight=butane

I want to edit my post to let everyone know I do not condone or endorse the use of inhants or drugs of anykind. I was just stating opinions and material saftey data sheet information. Please don't take my post as evidence that butane or duster or any other inhlant is safe.

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Old 10-01-2011, 05:34
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

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Also why do people pour it on cloths and huff like that? SWIM just sprays it into a bottle and inhales the fumes directly from the bottle through his nose. This way you don't get your face covered in the fumes and you don't have to keep pouring it on the cloth.
So you can conceal it in your hand.
My cat lived near a paint factory with drums of toluene in the yard with only a 10 ft fence with 3 row barbed wire to guard it. Not much of an obsticle for a glue head on the hunt. They would use pint bottles and walk around with a rag in their hand so the popo won't mess with em.
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

I confess to having an interest in some inhalants, more as alcohol substitutes than for trips, but I have never tried any of them due to purity issues. Perhaps laboratory-grade solvents like ether could be relatively safe, if only used in known quantities, but huffing uncontrolled amounts of unknown solvent mixtures sounds way too dangerous for this swimmer.
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

Ether does not have to inhaled it can be ingested orally as well.

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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

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SWIM huffs ether every now and then and has absolutely no idea why people frown upon it so heavily. It's like tripping on LSD, but darker. The hallucinations SWIM gets on ether are crazier than hallucinations SWIM gets on LSD/Mushrooms. SWIM has never had a headache from ether and feels it has never lowered his IQ. SWIM feels a little stupid after huffing for about an hour or two, but after that there are absolutely no after effects. Ether is a great cheap trip. 3 bucks at the gas station and SWIY can huff it as long as you want. The only problems SWIM has experienced with ether is the smell. People complain about that. SWIM would probably rank ether in his top 5 favorite drugs and is wondering why people don't like it. So let's hear it... why do you guys dislike ether?
Sounds like SWIY has got hold of petroleum ether which is totally different to diethyl ether. Petroleum ether is a mixture of petroleum distillates and should not really be inhaled as some of the constituents (naptha fractions) are thought to have carcinogenic properties.

Diethyl Ether on the other hand is a common laboratory solvent and was once used as an anasthetic. It tends to be unpopular as an inhalant as the hangover is unpleasant, provoking nasal congestion, inflammation of the mucous membranes, headache, sore eyes and a vile taste in the mouth. Added to this diethyl ether can form various peroxides which may cause oxidative damage to body cells.
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

One of the major drawbacks with Ether is that it is sweat out for more then a day, making it obvious to anyone nearby that someone got into a fight in a cleaning closet.(Pendell)

phenythylamine's experience is not unusual. If one reads first hand accounts, they are some of the most stunning reports you'll find. It's intriguing with out a doubt, except for the whole

So what is the problem with these substances? Besides being carcinogenic? It's the processing/grading system, it's that these products are NOT pure by any stretch of the imagination, ESPECIALLY PETROL/GASOLINE! They are distilled to meet minimum standards, that they have a guaranteed content of certain chemicals.

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Gasoline, or petrol, is a petroleum-derived liquid mixture which is primarily used as a fuel in internal combustion engines. It is also used as a solvent, mainly known for its ability to dilute paints. It consists mostly of aliphatic hydrocarbons obtained by the fractional distillation of petroleum, enhanced with iso-octane or the aromatic hydrocarbons toluene and benzene to increase its octane rating. Small quantities of various additives are common, for purposes such as tuning engine performance or reducing harmful exhaust emissions. Some mixtures also contain significant quantities of ethanol as a partial alternative fuel.
Consuming fuel isn't good for you. I met a girl this year who has been consuming small amounts of "white gas" on a near daily basis for eight years with ovarian cancer that the doctors have little doubt as to it's origin. She's retiring from professional fire-eating and needing to find new work. This isn't an isolated case in the fire performance community, I've met a number of people who have had all sorts of issues from fuel consumption. For us, it's often related to eating and breathing, but also handling fuel, vapors, smoke, during performances, while traveling with supplies, practice... The stuff is definitely toxic, you do too much fire eating, you'll start retching when you burp up fumes, get sick for a few days, chemical pneumonia is an issue, when fuel gets into your lungs, it stays there, it doesn't cough out easily, you get sick for weeks. REAL SICK.

These things also have massive burn hazard. Fire can jump through fumes, pilot lights, lighters, cigarettes. Fuel spills fast, once it spreads out, the fumes build up fast, explosions are possible in an indoor space. Fuel burns are terrible, a friend of mine was standing in fuel when it caught, got golf ball sized blisters on her hands from trying to put her legs out, I don't want to think what her legs looked like, that was outside, the fire that started the fuel was over 20 feet away. It is possible to inhale burning vapors, a performer near my area had that happen a number of years ago. She ended up in ICU for weeks, bed-ridden for months, rehab... real bad shit.

Fire performers are rightly terrified of breathing in fuel, and rightly so.

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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

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Sounds like SWIY has got hold of petroleum ether which is totally different to diethyl ether. Petroleum ether is a mixture of petroleum distillates and should not really be inhaled as some of the constituents (naptha fractions) are thought to have carcinogenic properties.

Diethyl Ether on the other hand is a common laboratory solvent and was once used as an anasthetic. It tends to be unpopular as an inhalant as the hangover is unpleasant, provoking nasal congestion, inflammation of the mucous membranes, headache, sore eyes and a vile taste in the mouth. Added to this diethyl ether can form various peroxides which may cause oxidative damage to body cells.
No, he is huffing starter fluid (diethyl ether/heptane and some kind of propellant in an aerosol spary). Petroleum ether isn't ever (afaik) used as an aerosol spray.

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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

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No, he is huffing starter fluid (diethyl ether/heptane and some kind of propellant in an aerosol spary). Petroleum ether isn't ever (afaik) used as an aerosol spray.
oops..SWIM should've read the post a bit more thoroughly - apologies

However, huffing that mixture is still a bad idea, the CO2 in there will cause blood vessel dilation which will allow more of the solvents to get into the bloodstream, and a consequent dip in oxygen supply to the brain.

Remember anaesthatists are fully trained medics and there is a good reason for that, self inducing a state of anasthesia (dissociation) with starter fluid is a seriously risky thing to do...STAY SAFE!
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

^^ there is a difference between a state of anaesthesia and a state of dissociation, but your right huffing started fluid isnt wise, although Im sure its one hell of an experience.

Pure ether on the other hand isnt really much worse than nitrous (maybe a lil more harsh but nothing compared to some of the crap we put in our bodies.)

while I am not advocating the use of inhalants (they are toxic no doubt about it,) I dont think the subject should be so damn taboo on here, any newbie who starts talking about huffing gets railed on, but really I doubt they arnt any more dangerous than datura or massive amounts of diphenhydramine, or any of the other strange things our swimmers consume in the name of getting high, we should have a facts only discussion and try to come to a consensus about the real dangers of each individual inhalant, we should also stop disouraging conversation about them because people do use them and they should be informed.

sorry for my little rantand getting off topic, I just think there is quite a bit of misinformation that needs to be cleared up.
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

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^^ there is a difference between a state of anaesthesia and a state of dissociation, but your right huffing started fluid isnt wise, although Im sure its one hell of an experience.

Pure ether on the other hand isnt really much worse than nitrous (maybe a lil more harsh but nothing compared to some of the crap we put in our bodies.)

while I am not advocating the use of inhalants (they are toxic no doubt about it,) I dont think the subject should be so damn taboo on here, any newbie who starts talking about huffing gets railed on, but really I doubt they arnt any more dangerous than datura or massive amounts of diphenhydramine, or any of the other strange things our swimmers consume in the name of getting high, we should have a facts only discussion and try to come to a consensus about the real dangers of each individual inhalant, we should also stop disouraging conversation about them because people do use them and they should be informed.

sorry for my little rantand getting off topic, I just think there is quite a bit of misinformation that needs to be cleared up.
No worries. Bit of splitting hairs though concerning anaesthesia/dissociation, of course you have local anaesthetics which produce no dissociation, but with general anaesthetics the effect is via the brain, where dissociation and anaesthesia are closely related.

Inhalants are a touchy subject of course, primarily due to the fact that there have been many recorded deaths through their use. One doesn't tend to see many reports of Swimmers dying on 'massive doses of diphenhydramine', although having said that there are numerous cases of patients dying on prescribed medicines (and OTC ones too) which most of the time do not make the headlines.

As has been pointed out inhalants interfere directly with oxygen supply to the brain, which is why any Swimmers using them need to be fully clued up; it's not a matter of jumping on newbies but more of a desire not to see someone get fubar'd up or end in the morgue.
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

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SWIM[/AUTOLINK] just sprays it into a bottle and inhales the fumes directly from the bottle through his nose. This way you don't get your face covered in the fumes and you don't have to keep pouring it on the cloth.
When inhaling through a rag the person inhaling is pulling FRESH air through the rag soaked in ether. In the process ether evaporates and mixes with the fresh air coming in. This lowers the risk of asphyxiation by providing oxygen with each hit, as opposed to just inhaling pure ether vapor from a bottle.

Still one should not ever use a rag to inhale by themselves, they would easily pass out with the rag over their mouth and cause serious brain damage or even die from overdose.

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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

Just another thing about diethyl ether while I think of it...there has been some mention of drinking ether over the years, presumably for an intoxicant effect. I think chloroform has also been mentioned this way. Anyone thinking of doing that could have an unpleasant experience, since ether will boil at a fairly low temperature (about 35 Celsius I think) and it would rapidly vapourize inside a person's stomach. Belching flammable and strong-smelling ether fumes would be likely to counteract any pleasure from the experience, aside from any danger. And yeah take notice of the above warnings about getting enough oxygen and other dangers of inhaling it. Being an anaesthetic, it could kill someone through respiratory depression.
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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

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One doesn't tend to see many reports of Swimmers dying on 'massive doses of diphenhydramine'
usually not dying no, but anticholinergics can cause irreperable brain damage, diphenhydramine is certainly more dangerous than ether, or nitrous, or poppers, and quite possibly even propellants (the less dangerous of the non medical inhalants, still dangerous though.)

and not all anaesthetics are dissociatives, a dissociative refers to a drug which produces a state of dissociation by acting as NMDA antagonists, and recently has been used to discribe kappa opiod agonists (ie: salvia)
While alot of anaesthetics are dissociatives (ether, ketamine, nitrous and PCP are/where used in anaesthesia at one point or another and are all dissociatives.) Propofol, chloroform, ethanol, benzos, barbiturates, sodium pentathol and alot of other modern anaesthetics act on GABA and are simply sedative/hypnotics, not dissociatives. Dissociative anaesthesia isnt really prefered anymore due to emergence phenomena (hallucinations upon induction or awakening from anaesthesia.)

ether is a dissociative anaesthetic which means it is capable of causing hallucinations, out of body experiences, and all the other effects associated with recreational dissociatives (provided it is administered at sub-anaesthetic doses.)

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Re: Why isn't Ether more popular?

From personal experience, even though he has never experienced true dissociatives (DXM or Ketamine and only one low dose with PCP and some salvia), my friend definetly thinks butane is dissociative. You don't know who you are or where you are or that you are high when under the influence of a strong butane trip. It's impossible to describe but it's very weird, to say the least. But not in an unpleasant way. Except for the taste and headache/nausea.

Hmm, my friend is really been thinking about having a go at some butane even though it seems so desperate and juvinile. I think what worries me the most though is the roa, as from what I understand, it can come out of the can freezing and cause frostbite in the lungs and throat. That was how my friend did it, straight out of the can by just biting down on the nozzle with his teeth and pressing down. He's really afraid of that happening and doesn't know how likely it is to happen so that's kind of discouraging him from doing it.

Yeah, he probably won't do it. A bit too dicey.

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