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Old 06-01-2011, 03:34
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Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

My friend Bob has taken a lot of different opiates, but now he takes extended release oral morphine, for pain management. It is quickly becoming his DoC.

As he reads this and other boards, he is realizing that he is in a small group, as he is more and more preferring morphine, even oral, to other opiates, like oxy, hydro, fent...

Constantly he is hearing from other swimmers that "oral morphine sucks" -- everyone seems to insist on plugging, snorting, or shooting as possible, better bioavailability. All great arguments, and true, the BA is higher. And Bob would not turn down IV morphine in a safe setting for sure.

Of course OC's have been the big thing in the last couple decades. Of course oral oxycodone is stronger than oral morphine. And a lot of people like it better. A lot of people even prefer hydrocodone! It is true.

But if you just take a high enough and appropriate dose of oral, extended-release morphine -- like Kadian, Avinza, Embeda, yes it may need to be a lot of milligrams, but isn't that a worthy high? And it lasts all day and maybe into the next day... Isn't that a great thing? There is not a quick rush, but it builds up and sustains for a very long time, which can be quite intense in a different way than a rush.

There is just something special about the oral morphine experience, Bob tells me. It is different that oxy, has a different glow about it. It feels organic and warm, where oxy feels like a chemical rush. Morphine comes with a special twilight drowsiness, a calm, where oxy gets you more whacked up and goofy (not saying that is not fun too).

Anyway, Bob's main point is -- yes, oxy and fent, etc. are "stronger", but aren't there other swimmers out there that love straight morphine? Isn't it worth more than it gets credit for? Or does everyone just like oxy these days?

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Old 06-01-2011, 20:39
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Swim thinks its all relative and depends on what sort of high one is looking for. Mg for Mg, Morphine is stronger than Oxycodone, but due to its poor bioavailability it seems weaker when taken orally.

It also depends on what you're used to taking. If you've never taken opiates or only had small doses of something like codeine then a decent dose of morphine will probably rock your world. Swim used to take alot of morphine and really enjoyed it.

There's also the fact that different opiates give you a different high/buzz. Swim would say that Morphine is quite mellowing (when taken orally) and subtle compared to something like Oxycodone. Swim finds Oxy more stimulating and intense than he does Morphine. Swim would say he prefers Oxy and Dihydrocodeine over Morphine, but Morphine does have its place and Swim enjoys taking it to relax.

Swim actually finds that even though he enjoys Oxy more than Morphine to catch a buzz, he finds that Morphine is much better (just in Swims opinion) at relieving pain. If Swim is in pain the Oxy mostly gets rid of it, but there is still a little niggle that swim is aware of, but when he takes Morphine the pain completely disappears.

So Swim would say, yes, Morphine probably deserves more credit than it gets as he too has heard alot of people dismiss it as being shit, but Swim wouldnt say it was better (unless we are talking pure pain management) than the likes of Oxy and the other synthetic/semi0synthetic opiates. It certainly has its place though.

Swim is guessing SWI-mr op8 doesnt agree with this?

Swim would like to add that he needs a good 400mg (orally) to catch a decent buzz from Morphine, although it used to be more when he took it every day. Swim can get a nice high from around 120-160mg of Oxy, but then again Morphine is much cheaper.

PLEASE NOTE THAT SWIM HAS A BIG TOLERENCE AND THE DOSES OF MORPHONE AND OXY SWIM IS TALKING ABOUT ARE A VERY DANGEROUS AMOUNT TO TAKE FOR SOMEONE WITH LOW OPIATE TOLERENCE.
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Old 08-01-2011, 05:45
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

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Swim actually finds that even though he enjoys Oxy more than Morphine to catch a buzz, he finds that Morphine is much better (just in Swims opinion) at relieving pain. If Swim is in pain the Oxy mostly gets rid of it, but there is still a little niggle that swim is aware of, but when he takes Morphine the pain completely disappears.

So Swim would say, yes, Morphine probably deserves more credit than it gets as he too has heard alot of people dismiss it as being shit, but Swim wouldnt say it was better (unless we are talking pure pain management) than the likes of Oxy and the other synthetic/semi0synthetic opiates. It certainly has its place though.

Swim is guessing SWI-mr op8 doesnt agree with this?
Well, SWIM is not saying that he thinks morphine is superior to oxy by any means... SWIM loves oxy too, it is completely different. Just saying hey, oral morphine is still really good stuff too, in its own way. One just has to take an appropriately larger dose milligram-wise compared to oxy, of course.

SWIM just sees so many posts recently where oral morphine is considered "useless", "shit", "not worth it", whatever. A lot of people seem to be expressing this opinion -- maybe they just didn't take enough, who knows..

Just SWIM's 2 cents for oral morphine -- no, its not the rush of oxy, but it is very special and quite powerful in its own way.
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Old 08-01-2011, 23:42
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

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Well, SWIM is not saying that he thinks morphine is superior to oxy by any means... SWIM loves oxy too, it is completely different. Just saying hey, oral morphine is still really good stuff too, in its own way. One just has to take an appropriately larger dose milligram-wise compared to oxy, of course.

SWIM just sees so many posts recently where oral morphine is considered "useless", "shit", "not worth it", whatever. A lot of people seem to be expressing this opinion -- maybe they just didn't take enough, who knows..

Just SWIM's 2 cents for oral morphine -- no, its not the rush of oxy, but it is very special and quite powerful in its own way.
Yeah Swim would agree with Swiy here, in the sense that he has also seen alot of people write morphine off as being shit and useless. Swim doesnt think this. As he said in his above post, it has its place and can be quite enjoyable. As Swiy say its just totally different, rather than just being shit.#

Swim finds it more subtle and relaxing compared to things like Oxy and Dihydrocodeine. Swim kinda feels (for him) its a bit like a low dose of methadone. Its kinda subtle and kinda hides in the background.........its not such an 'in your face' kinda high.

Given the choice Swim would still probably pick other instead of Morphine if he could only ever use one substance, but its defo not shit and as Swim also said, he finds it to be one of the better opiates for pure pain relief (funny that lol)
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Old 09-01-2011, 00:43
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

For awhile, my friend was getting 60 mg MScontin and snorting them as he thought this was the optimum way to use them. He'd get the buzz quick but it wouldn't last that long. Friends kept telling him they are better orally and when my friend did start taking them orally, he was very happy with the results. In fact, after reading here, he discovered nasal morphine sulfate has an even low b/a than oral! So my friend only eats them now. 60 mg will give a nice little buzz, 120 mg a good high, and 180 mg, he'll be nodding out good.

After much experimentation, the only opiates my friend finds he prefers nasaly over orally are hydromorphone, oxymorphone, and heroin. Though he'd much rather iv them. He has yet to have the pleasure to experience iv oxymorphone though. Wonder if the IR tabs can just be crushed and shot...

But yes, I think oral morphine is underatted. My friend has yet to try anal dosing but may one day.

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Old 09-01-2011, 00:59
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Info on here is confusing but wouldn't it be better to drop it under your toungue (sublingual). I know you'd be sitting there dropping for a minute but the howling coyote thinks it would hit harder and last longer than snorting or swallowing. But he's been rabid lately so any proof to the contrary would be welcome.
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:05
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

^But I always wonder how much actually gets absorbed sublingulaly. I mean, if you had pure chemical, I'd think most would be absorbed but with a pill and all it's fillers, a lot is just going to disolve into your saliva and be swallowed into the stomach. That's why I wonder about sublingual admin.
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Old 21-01-2011, 03:58
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Swim takes oral morphine for pain management, he find it beats a blank orally and is not nearly as good as oxy orally. But if he plugs his morphine, it is certainly his doc.
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Old 21-01-2011, 04:31
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

on this board a lot of people who frequently post on the opiates forum are extremely tolerant long term IV heroine users, whos tolerance is so high a NOOB shouldn't even look at their advice, take a look at Diffs post, 400 mgs oral morphine would probably hospitalize someone with out a tolerance. if some one has been regularly intravenously injection diacetlymorphine oral anything is going to seem 'week' by comparison

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Old 22-01-2011, 19:58
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

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on this board a lot of people who frequently post on the opiates forum are extremely tolerant long term IV heroine users, whos tolerance is so high a NOOB shouldn't even look at their advice, take a look at Diffs post, 400 mgs oral morphine would probably hospitalize someone with out a tolerance. if some one has been regularly intravenously injection diacetlymorphine oral anything is going to seem 'week' by comparison
Swim would just like to point out that he did add at the bottom of his post that 400mg of morphine is a dangerous/deadly amount of morphine for someone who has no/low opiate tolerance. Swim was just advising what he needs to take personally and would never dream of advising anyone to take this amount.

To be honest, he would never recommend anyone go down the opiate route at all as most people who start playing with them end up with some sort of habbit or runs into probs. Swims advice in other posts when people have asked about dosages usually state starting off with 10-20mg if there is no tolerance and slightly more if they have tolerance.

Swim realises that Swiy isnt having a go or saying that Swim is giving bad advice, but just wants to clarify that Swim was only talking about himself as the original post wasn't a question about what dosage should be taken
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Old 22-01-2011, 20:26
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Just to chime-in on the thread...

Panda's observation is that life in general deserves more credit than it gets...

As for oral Morphine in particular, sure, Panda can empathize with the O.P. when he states that it's a more calming, 'natural' buzz to catch than, say, OC's. He can even remember the times that popping some Kadian (Morphine Sulfate Sustained Release) was the only way he could drift -off to sleep after a day spent buzzing around on oxycodone. After all, Morpheus (from which Morphine's name was derived) was the mythological god of dreams, was he not?

Sadly, to those in a perpetual search for 'more', the concept of 'good enough' is never quite good enough.

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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Oral Morphine never lasts though swim was on it and taking day after day the buzz goes quick..

Sure if you munch a tab as a noob you'll get a buzz and that's pretty sweet but it won't last and soon you'll just be adddicted with very little if any euphoria trust swim on that.
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Old 26-02-2011, 00:56
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

I too prefer morphine, and the oral route, to other opiates...problem is... i now take 4,000mg orally to feel anything
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Old 02-03-2011, 23:51
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Swim lost his monthly Rx 8 full days early this past week.
Swim swallows 80% of is legit pain meds. Only some is intra-nasaled daily midday = 40mg ish.
Again ~ That is = 250mg Oxycodone daily. Lost. All lost.

Luckily a good swimmer at the pool lent swim to keep him alive and avert pure death.

Instead of 80mg every mourning upon waking up, Swim has been surviving on;

30mg Dilaudid aka hydromorp contin = wake up, 10am or so* All swallows.
Midday - 60mg ms contin. 6-8hours later* Swallow.
80mg Oxy 10pm night time .... or usually a 30mg Dilaudid or 120mg ms contin.

Its a mix and match week .

***Lucky thing is swim has 10mg diazepam daily. and 2mg clonazepam Daily in these difficult and trying times***

Swim will not be making such a crucial mistake again. Again. This is the 2nd time in 12 months.

After all lenders all paid back swim will have, for the next 30 days from March 8th;
2.3 x 80mg oxy daily
50 x 10mg Instant Release Oxy

and back to our initial thread and post, "ral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?"

.. well, swim doesn't have liquid but orally , chewed, 60mg -120ms contin is pretty good when its all you have remaining and your tolerance is 240+ Oxycodone slow Release and 30mg IR.

ahhh.. the stupid things swimmers do.


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Old 04-03-2011, 17:46
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Last night SWIM was trying to find decent information on what a good dosage is on that oral morphine for someone with no opiate tolerance. SWIM came up on a 200mg green morphine pill not too long ago, and SWIM ended up taking the whole thing last night no tolerance.

SWIM has woken up today and noticed he is still buzzin.

Good shit
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Old 04-03-2011, 21:06
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

let swimee add that this thread is what swim meant to create , great wording, expression,

swim has developed a liking for simply 120mg oral ms contin (the new ones you cannot mess with) .. either way .. swim tired them all down low to 100mg greys...

They are long lasting ~ 8+ hrs and dont evoke the same chem-type high but do relieve real pain.

Wishing all a good weekend.

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Swim lost his monthly Rx 8 full days early this past week.
Swim swallows 80% of is legit pain meds. Only some is intra-nasaled daily midday = 40mg ish.
Again ~ That is = 250mg Oxycodone daily. Lost. All lost.

Luckily a good swimmer at the pool lent swim to keep him alive and avert pure death.

Instead of 80mg every mourning upon waking up, Swim has been surviving on;

30mg Dilaudid aka hydromorp contin = wake up, 10am or so* All swallows.
Midday - 60mg ms contin. 6-8hours later* Swallow.
80mg Oxy 10pm night time .... or usually a 30mg Dilaudid or 120mg ms contin.

Its a mix and match week .

***Lucky thing is swim has 10mg diazepam daily. and 2mg clonazepam Daily in these difficult and trying times***

Swim will not be making such a crucial mistake again. Again. This is the 2nd time in 12 months.

After all lenders all paid back swim will have, for the next 30 days from March 8th;
2.3 x 80mg oxy daily
50 x 10mg Instant Release Oxy

and back to our initial thread and post, "ral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?"

.. well, swim doesn't have liquid but orally , chewed, 60mg -120ms contin is pretty good when its all you have remaining and your tolerance is 240+ Oxycodone slow Release and 30mg IR.

ahhh.. the stupid things swimmers do.


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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

I think it's really all about personal preference. I personally like oral morhpine on occasion, both as I have a herniated disc in my back that causes a lot of pain, as well as it is a natural drug, and therefor grants different Euphorias. It seems cheesy/stupid but I like to take oral morphine and go out to the marsh that's about 10 miles from my residence and just walk around and enjoy the outdoors. They just seem to go hand in hand for me, much like a friend of mine prefers to smoke ganja and enjoy the outdoors rather than sit iinside.
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Old 08-03-2011, 23:31
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Blue jay too, walking around in relaxing , serene environments to the trick and the pain is gone.

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I think it's really all about personal preference. I personally like oral morhpine on occasion, both as I have a herniated disc in my back that causes a lot of pain, as well as it is a natural drug, and therefor grants different Euphorias. It seems cheesy/stupid but I like to take oral morphine and go out to the marsh that's about 10 miles from my residence and just walk around and enjoy the outdoors. They just seem to go hand in hand for me, much like a friend of mine prefers to smoke ganja and enjoy the outdoors rather than sit iinside.
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

SWIM has never plugged M, has tried IV a few times. He enjoyed IV quite a bit, but to be honest it wasn't ALL that much better than the experiences he's had orally ingesting the M. Having ingested 90mg of purple quick release m about 2 1/2 hours ago, he maintains that oral m is satisfying and enjoyable, not "shit" as some have remarked on other threads or sites. It's just not as "in your face" as someone up above stated. It's a good high, it lasts awhile, and if you got some hydrocodone, oxycodone, or some good ol' mary jane to partake in along with that m, you will have a very good high indeed. At this very moment SWIM has not taken anything other than the m, and is quite happy.

ALSO, if you're an addict, like SWIM, it's way better than nothing. Way better.

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Also, SWIM would like to note that when he orally ingests them he likes to chew them up and swish with water, swallowing soon after. When SWIM mentioned "Quick Release" he wasn't 100% positive that's what they were. Only that they are soft, small, purple, and can easily be chewed or broken down. Not stopping there, they seem to work very quickly.

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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

It just seems quite wasteful and I am really getting fond of the up the pooper method for administering everything nowadays.
But then again my first experience with morphine was oral, and that was a lovely sparkly day.
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Morphine, the I/R version has such a weak bioavailability it is, for this SWIM useless for pain control..Okay not useless but nothing compared to Oxy. Bunny was scripted morphine before moving to oxy.. Oxycodone is TWICE AS STRONG as Morphine and has a much higher bioavailability and works great for the bunny.
Oral Morphine IS a good drug for most for pain. As far as a 'rush' or a 'nod' goes its not bad..especially if someone is opiate naive you wont need much
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

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I too prefer morphine, and the oral route, to other opiates...problem is... i now take 4,000mg orally to feel anything
Mate there's gotta be a spelling mistake 4, 000mg would kill you did u not meen 400mg??
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

I think part of the appeal of oral morphine is how bloody long it lasts. I've never taken medical morphine but am pretty experienced with oral opium and poppy tea, and sometimes I can still feel a slight residual physical high 24 hours after taking a big dose.

I've plugged opium too, it's definitely stronger weight for weight, not sure if it lasts as long though.

Anyone else got comments on the duration? I'd be interested in how it compares to the duration of IV morphine, for example, which I've not tried personally.
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Yep, oral morphine does stand up tall when it comes to duration.

I don't understand much of the criticism of oral morphine either - it seems to me that most people prefer their opiates hard, fast and euphoric; and who can blame them, that's a fine way to dine. What is particularly nice about oral morphine, however, is the elongated onset - not a totally obvious rush as with hydrocodone or codeine, but a gentler more "settling in" type affair... To me, it feels like morphine is a much cooler and calmer opiate than some of the other, rushier, oral varieties - and I feel it is quite unique in that respect; so I definitely do regard it as my favourite opiate and see it as different. I haven't IV'd it yet but am open to the idea in the correct setting - having just settled into a routine of using once a week, I wouldn't want to re-engage the "I fucking love opiates" switch, too suddenly.
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Re: Doesn't oral morphine deserve more credit than it gets?

Oral morphine does seem to last a long time compared to either oxycodone or hydrocodone. My cat generally feels residual effects 18-20 hours after dosing.

While it certainly isn't my cat's favorite opiate, oral morphine has it's place. My cat has found in recent years that when potenated with things like cimetidine and small doses of DXM oral morphine can be quite euphoric(and last even longer). My cat has nodded for several hours on 120mg taken orally an hour after cimetidine(although my cat is somewhat opioid tolerant so don't use this as a starter dose).

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