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Old 04-01-2011, 03:32
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How this guy broke the OP 80s

Swim thought he would drop by to share his experience in cracking the gacked up oxy OP 80s with everyone. SWIY will find that extracting OPs is as simple as extracting codeine and APAP, but in no way similar. The once decadent 80mg OC has since been the object of much frustration when purdue decided to take abuse preventative measure, however, swim hope this relatively simple guide will put the thousands of dollars they spent researching such measures to little use.

1) The little blue OPs were put into the freezer for about 15 minutes, although surely only 10 would have sufficed.
2) swim sterilized a 10' steel file, altho9ugh surely only 5' would have sufficed.
3) swim proceeded to grind away at the little blue gem for a good 20 minutes, reducing 90% of it to a fine powder which fell into a glass dish.
4) The glass dish with oxy powder was put into the microwave for 2 minutes.
5) The glass dish was put into the freezer for 5 minute.
6) The dish was put into the microwave fore 4 minutes.
Repeat steps 5 and 6 once or twice more, breaking down the binders each time, until the powder is an off-white/brownish hue. Too much brown is burnt.
Note that you dont want any liquid in the microwave while you are nuking your product.

The final powdered product should was good for snorting and smoking.

Now, with the excess of the pills, the 10% or so that was too small to ground up, swim submerged that in (a tiny amount of) lemon juice inside of a small cooking pan and placed this over a teensy tiny flame in order to disolve the remaining binders. While this was cooking over the period of 10 mins, he sprinkled citric acid hcl over the larger clumps of blue pill in order to help them break down. One needs to pay careful attention when cooking OPs over an open flame and not let them turn completely brown, since anyone who has smoked oxy knows that the brown color means that the product is burning. Remove the pan from the flame as soon as the pill clumps start to turn brown and continue stiring to dissolve the rest. If it is not all dissolved by the time it cools down, pop that bad boy back on the flame for a few more minutes while continuing to stir. It will be completely dissolved soon enough.
I assume an impatient chef could simply crack his OP open and saute it up in lemon juice.

From here, the time release is broken. you can either evaporate the solution and be left with (lemon scented) oxy hcl, mix with your favorite cocktail (grapefruit juice anyone?) or do what swim did and pour the juice into ice cube trays and in the freezer for delicious oxy lemon popsicles! Just remember what mg dose you started with before you even think about ingesting and for the love of all that is holy LABEL items you put in for refrigerator CLEARLY.

Pictures and video to follow.

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Very cooool !!! Responsible, clear advice
way to throw your own cash into research! thanks!
Nice work on the OP, man. Good info.
well written tek
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Old 15-01-2011, 17:04
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

For the record, there won't be any photos or video added for awhile. Swim wasn't able to acquire the additional amount of these he was promised. Soon enough, however.
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

Great tek!!

Will this work with the other OP doses? I only have 20's but would like to snort or possibly try to IV... they are pink and say OP on them, if that helps. Thanks!
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Old 01-05-2011, 18:25
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

swim has never seen those pills your friends is describing, but swim imagines if oxycodone is the only active then this tek would work just as well. While insuffulation hasnt been a problem with the end product here, it hasnt been test for purity either so swim would have to advise against IV.

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Old 02-05-2011, 09:03
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

samas, are your OP80s blue? Jakemydog says his are green. At any rate, as far as he knows oxycodone is the only active ingredient any OP. If it's not one of the newish gelly oxys there is not need to "crisp" it, as Jake has seen the process called. Opoio, samsa's method will work for any size of OP, though obviously the bigger the better. Jake uses a Pedegg, or the right size cheese grater would work too, though the right-sized file might be the best.

Jake shaves his OP with the Pedegg until it's too small to hang on to, then spreads out the dust on a Pirex dish, sets the dish on the oven rack closest to the broiler. A few minute later, watch it closely, when the powder starts to turn a light golden brown, he takes it out and cools it off. After cooling, he scraps it off the dish and then uses it in any fashion that he did with the OCs.
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

Thanks to both of you for your helpful information (and gentile reminder).

When in a new land, one sometimes forgets to follow the customs of the veterans.

The ped egg is a good idea, when trying to gauge the size of file/shaver needed.
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Old 02-05-2011, 15:46
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

swims OP80s are indeed blue. swim has only seen green 15mgs. I suppose as long as you know your source and what your getting (no apap) then you're free to proceed accordingly.
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

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Also, please refrain from self incrimination in the future.
Just a note: the "no self incrimination rule" only applies to posts talking about the manufacture of drugs (basically, the Chem forums).

While it may still be a great idea to avoid incriminating oneself, it is by no means a requirement.

This rule change happened in March (check the Announcements forum to see it, or just click on site rules), so it's still new & you'll still see plenty of older posts admonishing people not to incriminate themselves, but those no longer apply.

One last thing: the usage of SWIM (& its variants) has always been frowned upon. If one chooses to not (potentially) incriminate oneself, creative writing is encouraged.



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Old 03-05-2011, 01:07
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

Didn't know that Kailey, thanks for the info.
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:16
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

I'm glad to hear that. I've seen a lot of posts that were perfectly okay from a legal standpoint, e.g. discussing one's prescription, commenting on one medicine being more affective than another, etc.

Even if LE decided to go after someone they would probably have to go to considerable trouble. If they find the computer that the offensive posts were sent from it can very difficult to then prove who made it. Unless the situation was much bigger that the average strung-out pet looking for information I don't believe LE would bother.

A lot of the material is dated too. I'm not familiar with statute limitations on some of the illegal activity that posters' pets seem to engage in, but I suspect that a lot of it is beyond the limitation.

But I also believe that the people responsible for this site have every right to require whatever they want to in order to use it.
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Old 17-05-2011, 13:07
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

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swims OP80s are indeed blue. swim has only seen green 15mgs. I suppose as long as you know your source and what your getting (no apap) then you're free to proceed accordingly.
First, Final Fantasy Tactics rules.


Okay, now that that is out of the way, thanks for the info on breaking down the OP. I have a couple of ways that I've been doing the OP for about 8 months now which are very similar to yours. One thing I've found out about the OP is that it's not as intense as the OC and the lovely euphoria doesn't seem to last near as long. However, if I take half a pill orally and rail the rest, it's pretty darn nice and for quite a while too. I get the intensity immediate from snorting it and taking it orally makes a lot of the intensity last for a nice few hours. It could just be in my head, but it works for me lol. I also like to eat about 4 TUMS and wait about 20-30 minutes before taking OP (or any opiate). Perhaps TUMS and grapefruit juice would potentiate it even more? I've never seen the blue OP80's so I don't know if they're more difficult to grind down, but the green ones (they do have a blue-green hue to them I suppose, so perhaps they're the same) don't take long at all when using a mid-sized hose clamp. I'll post my process and perhaps it will help others along with yours.


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Microwave, oven mitts, half-inch wide hose clamp, glass plate, razor, card and a freezer.


1. Cut the OP in half. This makes it a LOT easier to grind down. The prob here is that you really can't do this with anything under OP40 due to the small size of the pill.


2. Hold the flat side of the pill between thumb and index finger and grind it down on the hose clamp on the corner of where the pill was cut in half (the end of the pill where you can see the white oxy). Do this onto the glass plate.


3. Once it gets harder to grind down, flip the pill to the other corner and grind it down. Once your pill becomes difficult to grind down, just look for corners that may have been caused by the grinding and start again there. Once you're done, you'll have about 1/8th of a half of a pill.


4. Grind the other half the same way as the first half.


4a. At this point, I normally orally take the two parts of the pill that I could not grind down. Seems to make the euphoria last longer once I finish preparing the pill for insufflation.


5. Scrape the OP that is on the plate into a short, fat line with a credit card.


6. Tap the side of the plate with the palm of your hand gently. This causes the OP to start spreading out. Keep tapping it gently, working your way around the plate with the palm of your hand. One the OP is spread out into a thin layer on the plate. This keeps the cooking in the microwave nice and even.


7. Place the plate into the microwave and keep an eye on the plate. You're watching for the color of the OP to go from white to very light brown. It takes my microwave a little over 3 minutes, but every microwave is different. Keep an eye on it at all times. It can go from pure white to black in just a few seconds and then it's ruined.


8. Once the OP is light brown, put on the oven mitts, grab the plate and stick it in the freezer. I leave mine in for about 20-30 minutes.


9. After the OP has cooled off, remove the plate from the freezer and QUICKLY scrape it off the plate with a razor onto a clean, flat surface (I actually scrape it onto another plate). It will be froze to the plate and it will come off like skin and look flaky. This is normal. You have to do this within a couple of minutes because condensation will form on the plate and get your OP wet if you're not careful.


10. Once the OP is on another flat surface, use the razor to chop the OP "flakes" into smaller pieces. I like to freeze mine for 20-30 minutes to ensure it is froze which in turns makes it easier to chop up. Keep doing this until you're satisfied with how small the OP pieces are. You won't get it into a fine powder, but it will easily be small enough to make the trip through your nose.


10a. It will look like you've lost some OP. You haven't. The reason it looks like you have less is because the granules of cooked OP are larger than the OP powder when you first ground it down.


11. Enjoy!


The only prob here is I don't know if all the fillers and trash they put into OP are still there or not. It's very likely they are, so keep that in mind before anyone decides to use this method.


EDIT: Corrected some words. You can also use a dremel tool to grind down the OP, but I've personally never used one.

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Old 18-05-2011, 01:01
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

Samsa, how did you sterilize your file? I had mine in a jar of vinegar and bleach cleaning solution for an hour and its still filthy. Any suggestions?
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Old 18-05-2011, 04:08
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

I would like to add to this. My cat had OP 80's that she ground up and dropped in a few ounces of coca-cola to mimic the pH of stomach acid. I have read you can leave it for about four hours; my cat chose to leave it overnight. The result is a slightly yucky, flat cola with some little sludgy-booger type stuff of the top- the stuff that swells up in the pills. You probably could skim this off, but my cat didn't want to risk losing any pill, so she just chugged the whole bit, globs and all.

It worked just like taking 80mg IR, or so I am told.

I hope this helps someone- it's a little less "risky" than trying the cooking method, since one can lose their drug if they aren't careful and overheat it.
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Old 18-05-2011, 04:30
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

Nice Sarcasta, I didnt think that would work, but I'm glad it did for you. Again, this insect would sometimes leave small pieces of OPs in lemon juice, which works small wonders.

rldgld, my file was never horribly dirty, but a towel and liberal amounts of isopropyl alcohol (i think it was 70%, though I wish I had 90%) did a fine job. I find isopropyl works in most situations where sterilization is called for.
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Old 19-05-2011, 01:17
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

exactly what are the binders in the OPs? i heard it was oxycontin polistirex, which would be a tough nut to crack. is it just s crapload of cellulose, etc.?
has anyone ever had the 80mg oval green generics? well, football shaped. swim think Teva makes em.
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Old 19-05-2011, 07:45
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

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exactly what are the binders in the OPs? i heard it was oxycontin polistirex, which would be a tough nut to crack. is it just s crapload of cellulose, etc.?
has anyone ever had the 80mg oval green generics? well, football shaped. swim think Teva makes em.
I believe Teva had to quit making those due to Purdue's patent. I could be wrong about the details, but I think Purdue had a huge lawsuit against many companies that made generic OC. I think Mallinckrodt was the only pharmaceutical company that had the right to produce generic OC. Ethex was only a distributor of OC, but Purdue still made the drug that Ethex sold. They were exactly the same drug, cosmetics and all.


The whole reasoning (I personally believe) behind Purdue moving from the OC to the OP was due to Purdue's patent running out soon, not due to having to make the drug less abusable as Purdue Pharma claimed. Now they have another patent on the OP that cannot be made by anyone but Purdue unless they give another company the rights to do so. It's all about the money...


I'll see if I can find a link on all this and come back and post it (and possibly correct my info if it's wrong). I don't know exactly what the binders are in the OP. I do know that preparing it the way I do removes all the gel. Whether the binders are still there, I've no clue. Opana ER (Oxymorphone) has some kind of silicates in it and could possibly be quite harmful for insufflation, but I've no idea about the OP. I don't think in basement chemists have cracked the code yet and I don't know if Purdue has released any info on what binders they're using.


EDIT: Found some info on the Purdue vs. generic OC companies. Looks like Watson had exclusive rights to distribute OC as well.


EDIT #2: It might help if I include the actual link, eh? lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxycodo...rning_generics

Click on "Lawsuits concerning generics" in the table of contents if this link doesn't take you to that section.

EDIT #3: I got some weird OP tonight. It took almost 10 minutes to turn my OP that light brown sugar color. It hit me just like normal, but I wonder if Purdue messed with their formula again to try and make it even harder to abuse after taking that long to cool. Either that or my microwave is about to go out.

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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

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I would like to add to this. My cat had OP 80's that she ground up and dropped in a few ounces of coca-cola to mimic the pH of stomach acid. I have read you can leave it for about four hours; my cat chose to leave it overnight. The result is a slightly yucky, flat cola with some little sludgy-booger type stuff of the top- the stuff that swells up in the pills. You probably could skim this off, but my cat didn't want to risk losing any pill, so she just chugged the whole bit, globs and all.

It worked just like taking 80mg IR, or so I am told.

I hope this helps someone- it's a little less "risky" than trying the cooking method, since one can lose their drug if they aren't careful and overheat it.
swim has also done exactly this and has had the same result. swim finds it is worth the wait and effective, but still isn't as good as the same amount of mg IR. swim also mixes cola and lemon juice for a (hopefully) faster breakdown, but isn't sure if it makes a difference
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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

A friend of a friend gave my buddy one of the OP 60's. My buddy longs for the days of OC's without the bull crap that they put in them now, way to mess up a good thing Purdue!! After much "research" on this site and others, my buddy decided to try to inject it anyway. Probablly not one of his best descisions, but it seems they never are when it comes to drugs for him anyway. Let me start by saying that my buddy is no bubble gummer. He has been in the opiate game for about 15 years, he has inected most substances known to man that might possibly make him feel a tingle. He had at one time a very serious, costly, and life destroying Heroin addiction, although these days he rarely uses opiates and usually only when they fall into his lap as a gift or some such. He thought he was well versed in many different methods of injecting many different substances. Armed with his research and prior knowledge, He attacked the problem of the new OP's.

My buddy found that the "file" and "hose clamp" methods of grinding the pill sounded tedious and seemed to be a waste of time. The "Screw" method sounded even more ridiculous, there are a plethorea of inventions out there whose sole purpose is to grind things to dust. Last time he checked a hose clamp and a screw were not on that list. He chose a fine grit sand paper while holding the pill with a pair of pliers. The pill was completely reduced to powder in a little under five minutes, with no left over pieces. A toothbrush made quick work of what stuck to the sand paper, though my buddy says it was very little anyway. My buddy chose the microwave method of heating the powder, giving no regard to those that claim the broiler or toaster oven to be better. Watching the powder cook in the mircowave seemed like a much more efficent method to my friend. He thought that the powder could be accidentally burned, regardless of the device used and made sure he paid attention to what he was doing. Simple really, stop the microwave when the pill reaches the desired color. How is this difficult exactly?

My buddy says it took about 6 minutes in his microwave to reach the light tan or golden color. He told me to tell everyone to make sure that the powder is spread very evenly over the plate, as some powder will finish cooking before the rest if it isn't. He now had a golden sticky liquid on his pyrex plate. He chose to skip the freezer nonsense and scrape the liquid off the pyrex with a razor blade. He found that this worked very well as that when taken away from the residual heat of the pyrex, the liquid solidified almost immediately and was easily transferred to the spoon for injection. My buddy said that once the plate cooled the remaining powder was easily scraped up with the blade and transferred to the spoon as well. Total prep time time start to finish was about 15 minutes.

As with most stories about drugs, this one isn't all fuzzy bunnies and kittens either. My buddies expirience wasn't so great from this point on. He chose to use citric acid to dissolve the prepared powder along with some water to dilute the syrupy product he ended up with. He told me that the powder dissolved very well, but only having a 1/2cc rig to use, the liquid was still very thick, though he had no problems drawing up the mixture. He did use 2 cottons, as the first became colgged about halfway through the draw. Please remember, this was far from my buddy's first rodeo.If it is an injectable drug he has done it, including many that he probably shouldn't have. He injected in his arm and the fun and games was over. At first he achieved the desired affect, not an incapacitating rush, but nice all the same he said, no different than injecting oxy's of the past. Within a few minutes he developed a large swelling at the injection site and his arm was covered in small bumps for about 3 inches in each direction. He has had similar from injecting Heroin in the past but he said this was much worse than he had ever expirienced before. He developed a "Niacin Like" skin flush from head to toe. The burning and itching were quite severe and completly ruined the high he was expiriencing. Over the next couple hours he felt random pains throughout his body and the skin flush persisted much longer than one expirienced because of Niacin. 12 hours later and he tells me that the swelling has subsided for the most part and the other side effects have gone away as well, although he is worried about an abscess as he has had 2 in this location over the years. He is certain he did not miss the vein upon injection and he believes the swellings were caused by a little of the liquid that may have leaked out upon removal of the rig from the vein. He told me that the unpleasant side effects were totally not worth the high he did acheive. He was very glad that he was given the pill and did not pay for it or he would have been very upset. He knows now that he will never bother with an OP Oxy again. The days of easily injectable Oxy's are gone and he says he would rather spend his money on old reliable Heroin if he chose to at all. He is well aware that injecting pills, or anything for that matter, is stupid. He has always found the risk to be worth the reward except in this case. He is very expirienced with IV drug use and cringes at the thought of an unexpirienced person attemping to do this. That scenario just has bad news written all over it. It by far was not worth it people, save your money and your veins for something that is.

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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

Justice, that is a scary story! There will be no attempting to slam OPs by my cat, that's for sure.
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Re: How this guy broke the OP 80s

Swim has been on Oxys for 8.5yrs (at one stage taking 1000mg of Oxycontin and Oxynorms). Today was the first time the pharmacist gave her OPs. Swim has taken huge, stupid risks in the past but from what she read this is not something she'd even try. What topped it of was reading a post from a fellow DF member who's partner died of a 'massive blood clot that lay in the cerebral cortex (after) travelling from (the) upper arm to (the) jugular (and then) to (the) brain'. Swim is changing to Phyceptone tomorrow. IVing OPs isn't worth the risk.

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A friend of a friend gave my buddy one of the OP 60's. My buddy longs for the days of OC's without the bull crap that they put in them now, way to mess up a good thing Purdue!! After much "research" on this site and others, my buddy decided to try to inject it anyway. Probablly not one of his best descisions, but it seems they never are when it comes to drugs for him anyway. Let me start by saying that my buddy is no bubble gummer. He has been in the opiate game for about 15 years, he has inected most substances known to man that might possibly make him feel a tingle. He had at one time a very serious, costly, and life destroying Heroin addiction, although these days he rarely uses opiates and usually only when they fall into his lap as a gift or some such. He thought he was well versed in many different methods of injecting many different substances. Armed with his research and prior knowledge, He attacked the problem of the new OP's.

My buddy found that the "file" and "hose clamp" methods of grinding the pill sounded tedious and seemed to be a waste of time. The "Screw" method sounded even more ridiculous, there are a plethorea of inventions out there whose sole purpose is to grind things to dust. Last time he checked a hose clamp and a screw were not on that list. He chose a fine grit sand paper while holding the pill with a pair of pliers. The pill was completely reduced to powder in a little under five minutes, with no left over pieces. A toothbrush made quick work of what stuck to the sand paper, though my buddy says it was very little anyway. My buddy chose the microwave method of heating the powder, giving no regard to those that claim the broiler or toaster oven to be better. Watching the powder cook in the mircowave seemed like a much more efficent method to my friend. He thought that the powder could be accidentally burned, regardless of the device used and made sure he paid attention to what he was doing. Simple really, stop the microwave when the pill reaches the desired color. How is this difficult exactly?

My buddy says it took about 6 minutes in his microwave to reach the light tan or golden color. He told me to tell everyone to make sure that the powder is spread very evenly over the plate, as some powder will finish cooking before the rest if it isn't. He now had a golden sticky liquid on his pyrex plate. He chose to skip the freezer nonsense and scrape the liquid off the pyrex with a razor blade. He found that this worked very well as that when taken away from the residual heat of the pyrex, the liquid solidified almost immediately and was easily transferred to the spoon for injection. My buddy said that once the plate cooled the remaining powder was easily scraped up with the blade and transferred to the spoon as well. Total prep time time start to finish was about 15 minutes.

As with most stories about drugs, this one isn't all fuzzy bunnies and kittens either. My buddies expirience wasn't so great from this point on. He chose to use citric acid to dissolve the prepared powder along with some water to dilute the syrupy product he ended up with. He told me that the powder dissolved very well, but only having a 1/2cc rig to use, the liquid was still very thick, though he had no problems drawing up the mixture. He did use 2 cottons, as the first became colgged about halfway through the draw. Please remember, this was far from my buddy's first rodeo.If it is an injectable drug he has done it, including many that he probably shouldn't have. He injected in his arm and the fun and games was over. At first he achieved the desired affect, not an incapacitating rush, but nice all the same he said, no different than injecting oxy's of the past. Within a few minutes he developed a large swelling at the injection site and his arm was covered in small bumps for about 3 inches in each direction. He has had similar from injecting Heroin in the past but he said this was much worse than he had ever expirienced before. He developed a "Niacin Like" skin flush from head to toe. The burning and itching were quite severe and completly ruined the high he was expiriencing. Over the next couple hours he felt random pains throughout his body and the skin flush persisted much longer than one expirienced because of Niacin. 12 hours later and he tells me that the swelling has subsided for the most part and the other side effects have gone away as well, although he is worried about an abscess as he has had 2 in this location over the years. He is certain he did not miss the vein upon injection and he believes the swellings were caused by a little of the liquid that may have leaked out upon removal of the rig from the vein. He told me that the unpleasant side effects were totally not worth the high he did acheive. He was very glad that he was given the pill and did not pay for it or he would have been very upset. He knows now that he will never bother with an OP Oxy again. The days of easily injectable Oxy's are gone and he says he would rather spend his money on old reliable Heroin if he chose to at all. He is well aware that injecting pills, or anything for that matter, is stupid. He has always found the risk to be worth the reward except in this case. He is very expirienced with IV drug use and cringes at the thought of an unexpirienced person attemping to do this. That scenario just has bad news written all over it. It by far was not worth it people, save your money and your veins for something that is.
Unfortunately no one is experienced with OP IV. If one manages to get it into a syringe, the eventual damage or fatality isn't worth the risk and Swim is not one to shy away from risk when opiates are concerned.

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Old 06-05-2014, 16:48
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Re: How this guy broke the OP 80s

My friend was also given the OP 80's for the first time this month after 6/7 years on OC, 3 years IV. At a dose of hundreds and hundreds of mg per day my mate was sweating bullets when he saw the "modified release" box on the chemist counter.

(I have bolded a few parts as this post ended up long. If anyone has any questions for my friend please feel free to ask.)

He has actually been wanting to start taking his Oxy properly for some time, but at the same time he wants to taper his IV dose because he would run out very quickly trying to take enough controlled release to match the 160mg instant release he is used to. Unfortunately he thinks he is also addicted to the process of IV. No one else he knows does opiates so he has no idea where to get any substitute from- not for lack of trying.

So he has been reading on the forums and has tried numerous different methods with the OP.. The weird part is he is getting somewhat different results to what people have posted all over the net. He is wondering if the tablets are slightly different in Aus.

(1) He has read thet even after leaving OP powder in lemon juice, it remains gooey even after time. This is not the case for my friend.

My friend used a ped egg to grind 2 x 80mg to a fine, what he would call "fuzzy" powder. He placed the powder in a glass of 50% lift (lemon squash soda) and 50% lemon juice. he stirred it a few times before bed and left it over night. At first yes the liquid was gluggy. It slowly became thinner over the couple of hours before bed but it was still gooey- if he lifted a straw out of it it would be slightly stringy. But in the morning the liquid was not gooey AT ALL. It had the same consistency as the lemon soda/lemon juice. There was no residue left to see. He is hoping the oxycodone has dissolved and would be like 160mg instant release. However as he has heard the oxycodone is bonded to the plasticky agent at a molecular level, he isn't getting his hopes up..

Because he has an IV tolerance, he didn't feel euphoric from the juice, but he hasn't had withdrawals either. He has prepared 3 x 80mg the same way for tomorrow morning. If anyone is interested he will report back.

2) (and probably of much more interest) Even after the microwave method, when prepped for IV, the solution is relatively thick and hard to draw into a syringe (but will draw slowly). This also is not the case for my friend.

Reading this all over the net made my friend think he would NEVER risk trying to IV a thick slightly gooey solution. He thought people advising to remove the needle so the thick solution could be drawn up were INSANE.

But he tried the microwave method, and prepped for IV only slightly different to normal.

1)He grinded two OP 80mg's with a pedi paws. This was quicker and worked better than the ped egg.
2)He spread the powder over a plate, not too spread out but so it is a thin even layer.
3)He microwaved this plate until it was just about all a golden colour. It took about 6 minutes.
4)He then put the plate straight into the freezer for 10 minutes.
5)He then removed the plate and wiped up any powder that wasn't golden coloured as he thought it may still be gooey (there wasn't much at all).
6)He used a razor blade to scrape the golden crisped oxy onto a seperate plate.
7) He chopped up the "powder", but not much. It sticks to the razor blade and doesnt chop well at all but that didnt matter.

8)He heated water on a spoon to near boiling point and then dropped the microwave prepped gooden colored powder in, slowly. He did it a bit at a time but the whole lot was put in over the course of about 15 seconds. He stirred this and the powder dissolved.

The liquid had the consistency of water. It was not thick or gooey and could be drawn very easily. My friend left it to cool for an hour while he was busy, just in case the "gooey" parts needed to solidify. But even after the hour the liquid in the shot was thin like water. It was however a golden yellow colour. This worries him A LOT. He reeeeeallly wants to know what is in this solution. He knows that the original OC had binders and fillers also, so he is wondering if the yellow colour is in fact any worse than the old clear solution. He tried a tiny bit first to see if he had any allergic reaction and he didn't. Then later the same night he tried about 60mg, still to test for side effects, and he felt ok. He is still too scared to try his normal 160mg or anything close to it.

A little while ago he tried to inject MS Contin and he got a funny rush feeling which didn't feel right to him. Then he got VERY hot and he went to look in a mirror and his whole body was a DEEP EARTH RED. This scared the life out of him. It was darkest on his face, chest, shoulders and arms. It went away in about 10 minutes and he still doesn't know what it was. He is very cautious now so he is worried about using this new OP for IV.

He would like to know if anyone has any knowledge, thoughts or opinions on this yellow liquid he is ending up with when prepping for IV. The liquid seems just like the old OC did, only yellow. He really wants to know if it would be ok to use, even if temporarily while he tapers off to oral use only.

PS. I would NEVER encourage anyone to try IV with any drug. I won't get too personal here but if you are thinking about trying it feel free to message me. For me I thought I'd just try it once - by myself at home. It didn't even work as well as orally with a oxycontin but before I knew it I didn't want to stop. Stick to oral.

If you are adamant on doing it, go to a needle exchange and ask for syringes, filters, swabs. In Aus there are little vending machines to get water for IV next to the exchanges. There is no reason to re use any equipment here in Australia. We are very blessed. I know many other countrie have similar exchanges. You can ask them for wheel filters (small enough to filter bacteria) and can ask for advice. They also have a short 1 hour course on how to use naloxone and you can get a nasal spray after the course - in case of accidental overdose.

I wish I knew about the exchange sooner, and was so lucky a friend told me to go and showed me where it was.

Thank you

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I forgot to mention that my mate wondered if he could skip the microwave part of his method. He spread evenly 1 x 80mg worth of OP powder (after using the pedi paws) over a spoon. He put the lighter under the spoon and heated evenly until the powder turned golden. He then slowly added water from his syringe over the golden crisped powder. The first 30 units or so just bubbled and evaporated instantly as it cooled the spoon. The remaining water filled over the powder. He then used the cap to stir the gold powder.

Sure enough, the powder mixed and did NOT turn gooey. I have not heard of people doing this anywhere on the net and it has me very puzzled.

He said the solution is the same as my above post. Yellow but with the consistency of water.

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Old 11-05-2014, 03:25
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Re: How this guy broke the OP 80s

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He would like to know if anyone has any knowledge, thoughts or opinions on this yellow liquid he is ending up with when prepping for IV. The liquid seems just like the old OC did, only yellow. He really wants to know if it would be ok to use, even if temporarily while he tapers off to oral use only.
I asked my bearded dragon Percy about this, as she has much experience- she said that nothing in the world could convince her that the liquid that came from the OPs should/can be IV'd. It's just not worth it; now you're taking a risk not only with injecting a pill, but with the nasty PEG that binds this together (makes it gel up). Percy asked me to make note that she's IV'd and tried everything under the sun, so please don't think she is judging whatsoever.

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I forgot to mention that my mate wondered if he could skip the microwave part of his method. He spread evenly 1 x 80mg worth of OP powder (after using the pedi paws) over a spoon. He put the lighter under the spoon and heated evenly until the powder turned golden. He then slowly added water from his syringe over the golden crisped powder. The first 30 units or so just bubbled and evaporated instantly as it cooled the spoon. The remaining water filled over the powder. He then used the cap to stir the gold powder.

Sure enough, the powder mixed and did NOT turn gooey. I have not heard of people doing this anywhere on the net and it has me very puzzled.

He said the solution is the same as my above post. Yellow but with the consistency of water.
No, no, no. In fact, it is best to use a toaster/conventional oven that a microwave (more even heating and easier to control). The reason you don't want to use an open flame is that it is TOO HOT and you're breaking down some of the oxycodone HCl when you do that, as well as the PEG/binders. I am sure what percentage you lose depends on how long you cook it for and how hot it gets, but take the extra time and don't throw money out the window.

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exactly what are the binders in the OPs? i heard it was oxycontin polistirex, which would be a tough nut to crack. is it just s crapload of cellulose, etc.?
Polyethylene glycol in particular, I believe.

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Re: How this guy broke the OP 80s

Hello Oxy OP crackers. Please read this carefully. I dont know you but I still dont want you to kill yourself. To those crude backyard chemists trying to crack the new Oxy OP's- please DO NOT shoot the product of the simple heat and cool method. Firstly let me say that whatever "binder they are using is actuall conected to the Oxy base at a molecular level so its more complicated than simply trying to seperate two (or more) miscible substances (solids). When you heat and cool these pills you are NOT ctually removing the PED 450 (or whatever) even if you have manged to break down the molecule. Also the matrix part (polyethylene oxidase or something) of the pill is still there too. Hopefully you have at least managed to denature the Oxy/PEG molecule but you still need to remove the unwanted crap from you "batch". Please please belive me when I say shooting this stuff is VERY VERY dangerous. You may get away with it for a while but trust me its only dumb luck. You will eventually run out of luck and get a clot somewhere life threatening! There have already be numerous reports of desperate poeple risking it- and losing!!!! If you must shoot these pills then at least try to do your best to live. Having said that I have heard of a tech that may help. THIS IS A GOOD TIME FOR A DISCLAIMER! I DO NOT guaranee this method but I am sure that is much better than the ridiculous teks I have come across. I would rather you just go and buy some street smack than encourage you to mess with these god-awefull things. Also this method is a waste of time unless you do it on a decent batch of pills. Anyway for what its worth here it is:
It would appear the most troublesome inactive would be the polyethylene oxide matrix and PEG 450 (poly ethylene glycol). Not sure if these are soluble in non-polar solvent or what? But I’ve heard that rinsing the pill powder with very cold water primarily extracts the “shit” (good stuff). Use small quantities of as-cold-as-possible dH2O. Having said this; some have suggested that washing the pills with acetone will remove the binders but NOT the “shit”, but I’m really not sure yet. It’s all a bit messy and of course the fewer pills you try and work up the greater loss you get %wise. It would be damned near impossible to do an A/B extraction on a couple of pills. These bastards are stupid though (pharma and gov). For Christs sake- They know people are gonna shoot these anyway and they’re just gonna hurt themselves. I’ve already heard of a few deaths from blood clots! These assholes are so keen in makes me mad. There’s always street level smack to be gotten I guess. Now watch the crime rate go up HAHAHAH. They won’t know what hit ‘em—bloody fools

But I digress; allow me to continue:
To get these pills mostly clean (though not by any means 100% without laboratory conditions) I would start with a cold water extraction using very minimal amounts of water on the finely crushed pills. Then add two drops of hydrochloric acid to the solution to make certain in stays acidic in the next step. Next do several washes with a NP (non-polar) solvent like toluene, or in a pinch VM&P naptha (I think I would try DCM), discarding the washes which will contain junk. Next perform and Acid/Base extraction on the remaining solution. Basing the H2O solution with NaOH until strongly basic. Once that is done extract the API "shit" (Active Pharmacuetical Ingredient) with either toluene or VM&P, whichever one you used for the washes is the one that should be used for the extraction. (again I would be inclined to use DCM) Once the NP solvent has been separated off you can prepare a solution of hydrochloric acid and water (or just buy muriatic and very slightly dilute some) and titrate your NP solution in a closed container. Shake vigorously for several minutes or more to make sure all the NP has come in contact with the Hcl solution. Now separate off the h20/Hcl solution. You may want to repeat this step of titration, shaking, and separation more than once to minimize product loss. Once you have collected all your mother liquid simply evaporate it at very low temps (too high will damage the desired compound "the shit" and degrade it) and you will end up with quite pure Oxycodone Hcl crystals; (It might pay to seed the crystalization process witha glass rod or somethin) ready to be used in whatever manner you choose.

I still don't recommend this if you have no chemistry experience though. You are probably better off sticking to eating or snorting them ie just soke those bad boys in coke and ingest them. maybe no rush but you will live to fight another day. BTW, those who suggest that coke has similar pH as your stomach are kidding themselves, gastric pH is around about 2 (very acidic) but thats just a bit of irrelivent info anyway.
Well thats my 2 cents and dont forget my disclaimer! Good luck to all. I will part with 1 final thing. How bad do you need to have a shot? Bad enough to die?
One final thing and this is just an afterthought, ou miht wanna look this one up. But if you have a bit of AA (acetic anhydride lying around) it may be worth whill acetylating your oxy crystals to increase bioavailability (strenght). Ok thats all I have fo' now. Please feel free to throw in any comments.
Now go in peace everyone

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Re: How swim broke the OP 80s

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samas, are your OP80s blue? Jakemydog says his are green. At any rate, as far as he knows oxycodone is the only active ingredient any OP. If it's not one of the newish gelly oxys there is not need to "crisp" it, as Jake has seen the process called. Opoio, samsa's method will work for any size of OP, though obviously the bigger the better. Jake uses a Pedegg, or the right size cheese grater would work too, though the right-sized file might be the best.

Jake shaves his OP with the Pedegg until it's too small to hang on to, then spreads out the dust on a Pirex dish, sets the dish on the oven rack closest to the broiler. A few minute later, watch it closely, when the powder starts to turn a light golden brown, he takes it out and cools it off. After cooling, he scraps it off the dish and then uses it in any fashion that he did with the OCs.
Yes that what my parrots are, green. The only blue pills she knows are 30Irs

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