My friend was also given the OP 80's for the first time this month after 6/7 years on OC, 3 years IV. At a dose of hundreds and hundreds of mg per day my mate was sweating bullets when he saw the "modified release" box on the chemist counter.
(I have bolded a few parts as this post ended up long. If anyone has any questions for my friend please feel free to ask.)
He has actually been wanting to start taking his Oxy properly for some time, but at the same time he wants to taper his IV dose because he would run out very quickly trying to take enough controlled release to match the 160mg instant release he is used to. Unfortunately he thinks he is also addicted to the process of IV. No one else he knows does opiates
so he has no idea where to get any substitute from- not for lack of trying.
So he has been reading on the forums and has tried numerous different methods with the OP.. The weird part is he is getting somewhat different results to what people have posted all over the net
. He is wondering if the tablets are slightly different in Aus.
He has read thet even after leaving OP powder in lemon juice, it remains gooey even after time. This is not the case for my friend.
My friend used a ped egg to grind 2 x 80mg to a fine, what he would call "fuzzy" powder. He placed the powder in a glass of 50% lift (lemon squash soda) and 50% lemon juice. he stirred it a few times before bed and left it over night. At first yes the liquid was gluggy. It slowly became thinner over the couple of hours before bed but it was still gooey- if he lifted a straw out of it it would be slightly stringy. But in the morning the liquid was not gooey AT ALL. It had the same consistency as the lemon soda/lemon juice. There was no residue left to see. He is hoping the oxycodone
has dissolved and would be like 160mg instant release. However as he has heard the oxycodone is bonded to the plasticky agent at a molecular level, he isn't getting his hopes up..
Because he has an IV tolerance, he didn't feel euphoric from the juice, but he hasn't had withdrawals either. He has prepared 3 x 80mg the same way for tomorrow morning. If anyone is interested he will report back.
(and probably of much more interest) Even after the microwave method, when prepped for IV, the solution is relatively thick and hard to draw into a syringe (but will draw slowly). This also is not the case for my friend.
Reading this all over the net made my friend think he would NEVER risk trying to IV a thick slightly gooey solution. He thought people advising to remove the needle so the thick solution could be drawn up were INSANE.
But he tried the microwave method, and prepped for IV only slightly different to normal.
1)He grinded two OP 80mg's with a pedi paws
. This was quicker and worked better than the ped egg.
2)He spread the powder over a plate, not too spread out but so it is a thin even layer.
3)He microwaved this plate until it was just about all a golden colour. It took about 6 minutes.
4)He then put the plate straight into the freezer for 10 minutes.
5)He then removed the plate and wiped up any powder that wasn't golden coloured as he thought it may still be gooey (there wasn't much at all).
6)He used a razor blade to scrape the golden crisped oxy onto a seperate plate.
7) He chopped up the "powder", but not much. It sticks to the razor blade and doesnt chop well at all but that didnt matter.
8)He heated water on a spoon to near boiling point and then dropped the microwave prepped gooden colored powder in, slowly. He did it a bit at a time but the whole lot was put in over the course of about 15 seconds. He stirred this and the powder dissolved.
The liquid had the consistency of water. It was not thick or gooey and could be drawn very easily. My friend left it to cool for an hour while he was busy, just in case the "gooey" parts needed to solidify. But even after the hour the liquid in the shot was thin like water. It was however a golden yellow colour. This worries him A LOT. He reeeeeallly wants to know what is in this solution. He knows that the original OC had binders and fillers also, so he is wondering if the yellow colour is in fact any worse than the old clear solution. He tried a tiny bit first to see if he had any allergic reaction and he didn't. Then later the same night he tried about 60mg, still to test for side effects
, and he felt ok. He is still too scared to try his normal 160mg or anything close to it.
A little while ago he tried to inject MS Contin and he got a funny rush feeling which didn't feel right to him. Then he got VERY hot and he went to look in a mirror and his whole body was a DEEP EARTH RED. This scared the life out of him. It was darkest on his face, chest, shoulders and arms. It went away in about 10 minutes and he still doesn't know what it was. He is very cautious now so he is worried about using this new OP for IV.
He would like to know
if anyone has any knowledge, thoughts or opinions on this yellow liquid he is ending up with when prepping for IV. The liquid seems just like the old OC did, only yellow. He really wants to know if it would be ok to use, even if temporarily while he tapers off to oral use only.
PS. I would NEVER encourage anyone to try IV with any drug
. I won't get too personal here but if you are thinking about trying it feel free to message me. For me I thought I'd just try it once - by myself at home. It didn't even work as well as orally with a oxycontin but before I knew it I didn't want to stop. Stick to oral.
If you are adamant on doing it, go to a needle exchange and ask for syringes, filters, swabs. In Aus there are little vending machines to get water for IV next to the exchanges. There is no reason to re use any equipment here in Australia. We are very blessed. I know many other countrie have similar exchanges. You can ask them for wheel filters (small enough to filter bacteria) and can ask for advice. They also have a short 1 hour course on how to use naloxone and you can get a nasal spray after the course - in case of accidental overdose.
I wish I knew about the exchange sooner, and was so lucky a friend told me to go and showed me where it was.
coffin_dodger added 11 Minutes and 20 Seconds later...
I forgot to mention that my mate wondered if he could skip the microwave part of his method. He spread evenly 1 x 80mg worth of OP powder (after using the pedi paws) over a spoon. He put the lighter under the spoon and heated evenly until the powder turned golden. He then slowly added water from his syringe over the golden crisped powder. The first 30 units or so just bubbled and evaporated instantly as it cooled the spoon. The remaining water filled over the powder. He then used the cap to stir the gold powder.
Sure enough, the powder mixed and did NOT turn gooey. I have not heard of people doing this anywhere on the net and it has me very puzzled.
He said the solution is the same as my above post. Yellow but with the consistency of water.