First Hard Drug

[Easyrider]

Truffles??

[Easyrider]

Oh glad someone else got the pins and needles..

It can be very unpredictable. You definately need a sitter.. It felt like an uncontrollable rollercoaster ride the first time..

[Fantasian]

I think weak opiates are a great choice, is highly likely you will enjoy them, i take them on a casual basis and have found no addiction. My next step is shrooms too after Swim did the following:
Alchohol
Tobacco
Weak opiates - Codeine, Hydrocodone, Tramadol
DXM
Weed
Strong opiates - Morphine, Hydro morphone
** hopefully shrooms will fit here , my first hallucenagenic experience**

[pharmapsyche]

Well, the only reason I don't like this post is because it's sorta proves to people that Canabis Sativa is a gate-way drug, and i don't agree with that. But ofcourse I know that was not your intention when your wrote this, so i'll answer your question to the best of my ability! I think shroom's would be a good choice for your next step. Although personally SWIM wouldn't consider them a "hard drug", I still know what you mean. SWIM considers a "hard drug" to be something such as Cocaine, Meth-Amphetamine or Herion. So, that is there it is up to you, to know what your body and mind is ready for. I hope your next experience is wonderful!

[u4ic]

Try some nitrous dude. They call it hippie crack. Its one hell of a 10 second ride. INTENSE. Just make sure you do it with some who knows what their doing. Plus it's cheap and easy to get. A truely impressive legal buzz. Just don't do it too much cause it does kill brain cells and you'll feel retarded for the rest of the day if you do a lot. But damn it's a fun buzz.

[AceOvArts]

If youre happy with "tripping" on really good weed then move onto shrooms.
0.Alcohol
1.weed
2.shrooms
3.acid
4.speed
5.MDMA
6.Cocaine
7,opiates

that was my route, though Ive experimented with loads of variables.

[carousel]

01. weed
02. alchohol
03. tobacco
04. meth
05. shrooms
06. cocaine
07. acid

[Urban]

swim would recomend cocaine.
its not too hard but not soft either!
x

[oldman]

good mdma, it's all downhill from there dude. you'll never get that feeling again. make sure you're in a an interesting setting or around some good friends or best of all a chick (or 2 )you really like. that is the best. way better than shrooms. swim never knew whewre he was gonna go on those things and when they worked good, hours later he wanted it to stop. worst is when you finally go to sleep, wake up and everything is still breathing or the bathroom is like 4 miles down the hall. real fun.

[rideburton56]

i dont really consider E a hard drug, swim has done pills weed E and shrooms, considers those the soft ones, if not just to tlel him self that he doesnt do hard drugs lol. swim thinks if he ever steps it up to a harder drug he will try cocaine, but is kind of scared of te drug because it fucked up a few of his freinds (and their parents). My suggestion is acid, from what i hear its heavenly.

[sidewalkpharmacist]

alcohol
tobacco
mj
ritalin
amp.
pharms
hard pharms/misc.drugs

swim reccomends ritalin or some pharms,ritalin is really like coke,when snorted. adderall is awesome if you like ritalin,especially if snorted,but addiction is pretty bad though (good thing swims covered by his blue cross plan) i prefer pharms more than any thing else except mj. have you tried hash?

[Raw edge]

1. Ciggarettes
2.

[Raw edge]

1. cigarettes(started about aged 12)
2. Alcohol(age 16)
3. Hash (Aged 17 Swim who isn't never liked hash it made him paranoid every time he tried it)
4. Xtc (aged 19 Swim found this to be fun, the first time swim done this he was convinced he wasn't up so he kept buying more. It go to the stage where he wasn't sure if he was up or scagging. It was all good a after this)
5. Speed (aged 19 Swim done this occasions found it fun but prefers X)
6. Grass (Swim got some nice buds while in Canada, the buzz was nice and mellow)
7 Dxm (Swim has only done first plateau dose of this, he is hopeful that this will be a fun drug at higher plateaus)
8. Shrooms (Swim had only done shrooms once, he ordered them from an intrernet site before they were banned. Swim didn't trip he was very disappointed)
9. Benzos (xanax) (Swim has only done mild sose of xanax .75mg but want to try higher doses)
10. DPH (Nytol) (Swim asked me to post his experience for him, with Nytol. It can be found in the sleeping tablet forum)

[jarka]

Originally Posted by sands of time

Can you explain why opiates are a bad choice? Can you explain why the substances you mentioned are good choices?

Well, mainly because of their high potential for addiction.. And hey, he went for shrooms anyway..

[CrystalDextro]

Talking bout pins and needles drugs seem way more addictive depending how you use them SWIM's first hard drug was Crystal Meth and I found that it was a bad idea to underestimate something so addictive even if you can control your current addictions. Its not uncontrolable if your careful with your addictions. I think most people can handle the addictions from hard drugs they have to be responsible and safe about their habits.

[jarka]

I don't want to mess my life and that's why I won't try cocaine, opiates and probably meth. They are highly addictive and that scares me.. I just don't want to take the risk..

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by jarka

I don't want to mess my life and that's why I won't try cocaine, opiates and probably meth. They are highly addictive and that scares me.. I just don't want to take the risk..

I agree, if you feel you cannot control how much you can take with ANY drug you should stay well away from it. SWIM enjoys opiates regularly among other drugs but gives himself checkpoint where he checks that no addiction or problems have developed.

I think some people can control addictions and use drugs safely recreationally but others cant.

I see Jarka as wise as staying away from the drugs that he feels might take him into the ground.

[jduba]

I say try pharmies like benzos (xanax, temazepam), pain pills (try hydrocodone b4 oxy) or amphetamines (adderall, ritalin)

[CrystalDextro]

(Pharmies) can be just as addictive as opiate. Benzos, Oxy, & amphetamines are probably even more addictive then opium. Not saying it is but from SWIMS personal experiance i found them to be more habit/addiction forming then opium but then again people have different responses to different substances.

[The Doors]

1) Alcohol
2) Weed
3) Cigarettes
4) Salvia

So far, these are all the drugs that SWIM has experienced. He recently(4days ago) tried salvia for the first time, and the experience is quite unique but also very enjoyable if you look at it from an open mind. SWIM is also thinking of trying LSD or mushrooms, preferably LSD first, but doesn't quite know what to expect, he doesn't want to have such an intense high as he did on salvia for extended number of hours.

So I say it's up to you, do your research, know your body and know your mind and you will have a good experience.

[bonghed]

How'd the shrooms go down mate? Been upto anything else since? Also what extract of salvia you selling. I would of suggested (if anything, i don't really suggest anyone does anything) about 2-4 g of shroom depending on potency. All this just based on my limited exp tho.

[-k4ge]

Personally SWIM's order of substances went like this.

Alcohol
Cannabis
Magic Mushrooms
Salvia
Ecstasy
Hashish
Amyl Nitrate
Nitrous Oxide
Ketamine
2C-B
LSD

[Hotboxed151]

Swim couldn't trip them because too many bad things happened the day before and he felt that they were a really bad sign and that shrooms weren't ready for him to enter their reality.He wants to do them when they are ready for him though. Please let this topic die down.

[7stringninja]

SWIM has never really felt mushrooms were a "hard" drug. SWIM always felt mushrooms were a crappy substitute for LSD.

SWIM thinks that LSD is the best drug to try after marijuana. The two actually compliment each other. SWIM says that if LSD can be gotten, then it should be tried.

[jduba]

CrystalDextro i completely agree that they are all highly addictive and can kill you but the suggestion came from the fact that "pharmies" tend to be easier to get and give the user a false sense of being safe since they are legal drugs. sometimes that extra comfort can ease the concerns of fear of a heavier drug (but that can also work against the user in feeling to safe and overdoing it) but persoanlly i would feel more comfortable eating a xanax or oxy then snorting white or popping e's cause you know "one line of coke and your addicted for life" and "e's will kill you by dehydrating you in like 5 mins" where as you got the xanax outta grandmas cabinet.