First Hard Drug

[Hotboxed151]

Hi, this is my first post in the forum, although i have read threads in the forum for quite some time. Swim has been doing marijuana for about 1 year and he thinks he is ready for bigger and better things(while still keeping a weekly schedule of marijuana). Swim thinks that Shrooms will be his best bet without getting out of control.Swim already has the connections to get a hold of them, but is there any softer drugs in between Marijuana and MM?

[Pinkavvy]

That really depends on what you mean by softer. The effects are completely differant. Perhaps MDMA, DXM, or beginer opiates like hydrocodone will be a good next step.

[Metalhead]

Swim went from pot to dxm.
YOu should really check out dxm, it is also really cheap

[bcStoner420]

You could try XTC, many people try that as their first or second drug, and since it is somewhat psychedelic will possibly prepare you for mushrooms. I also reccomend this drug because of the lower amounts of problems with freak outs, etc. Although shrooms really arent all that overwhelming by any means, you could easily just do shrooms next.

[IHrtHalucingens]

Shrooms were my 2nd drug and ive loved them ever since. Just take small amounts at a time, guaging your reaction before taking more. An 1/8 total, if u can handle it, should prove to be a great experience.

[FrankenChrist]

Some call shrooms soft drugs.
Some call alcohol and tobacco hard drugs.

Swim says:
As for first, "hard" drug, xtc (mdma) is nice. Start with a low dose if you can.

[xpr´k]

Originally Posted by FrankenChrist

Some call shrooms soft drugs.
Some call alcohol and tobacco hard drugs.

Swim says:
As for first, "hard" drug, xtc (mdma) is nice. Start with a low dose if you can.

I concur, MDMA is a very nice 'hard drug' for starters . (in school we got taught MJ and MDMA are actually softdrugs as there is no physical addiction , while stuff like amphetamines, alcohol, nicotine do have that so they were marked harddrug)
To bad you live in USA, the general impression i'm getting from sites like pillreports is that quality unadulterated pills can be rare especially if you dont have the proper connections. Seems you lot get scammed by DXM etc alot.
I wouldnt advice on speed either, in europe we'de talking regular amphetamines and ive seen what that addiction can do to people, i wouldnt dare using methamphetamines as its been said its many times more addictive.
Coke is in my opinion INSANELY overpriced although it also could make for a good starter drug. Just have some beers or long drings and snort a line and then some.
Its a very mild drug but it will lift you up nicely from a certain point only to get there and stay there you'll have to spend some big bucks compared to MJ or MDMA.

[Hotboxed151]

Swim has made his decision. Swim and his friend are going to split an eighth of shrooms for his friends birthday. Thank you all for your suggestions.

[sands of time]

Swim would recommend mild opiates such as codeine or hydrocodone. These are very mellow substances with few side effects. Swim started with hydrocodone, and found 20 - 25mg to be a good starting dose. Don't take them repeatedly, as the addiction is pretty strong. These substances make anything enjoyable, and one can also experience "the nod". This is a somewhat half awake, half dream state. Basically what you do is lay down, close your eyes, and turn on your favorite mellow music.

One must not take opiates if they are allergic. If your not sure, take a small amount, perhaps 1/4 to 1/2 of a pill. Dont expect that to do anything though.

More opiate info... http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/opiates/opiates.shtml

[motorhead]

Since swim has access to the shrooms this swim recommends to go with those. Many newbies have reservations about shrooms or other psychedelics, thinking they are all about intense hallucinations and possible bad trips or freakouts. This swim finds that a small dose of shrooms(usually 1g dried will do) provides him with a great high similar to the feeling of smoking some really really good gange.

[jarka]

I wouldn't recommend any opiates! Try shrooms, ecstasy or DXM..

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I don't mind if you disagree, but please explain why.

[sands of time]

Originally Posted by jarka

I wouldn't recommend any opiates! Try shrooms, ecstasy or DXM..

Can you explain why opiates are a bad choice? Can you explain why the substances you mentioned are good choices?

[bcStoner420]

I would also say opiates would be ok. They have mild side effects, and the high is one that almost anyone would enjoy. I can see why people might say not to, because of their high potential for addiction, but SWIM thinks opiate addiction is somewhat overated, even with his addictive personality he has no problems with casual opiate use. Just dont start shooting them, and mabey avoid snorting when possible and you should have no problems at all.

To mention something about the statement sands of time has quoted above^^. I really dont think dxm is that great of a choice for an inexperienced drug user, it can be a VERY intense drug.

[raven3davis]

There are lots of more stepping stones. It just depends which direction you want to step. Best thing do do would be research other drugs and by reading the descriptions see which dose of which drug would suit you for your next drug experience. Just be well informed.

[PooSniper]

The first drug I ever did was Alcohol after that it was
2: Tobacco
3: Weed
4: Amphetamines (Adderall)
5: Dxm
6: Cocaine (powder)
7: Vicodin

[raven3davis]

SWIM = weed
weak pharms
coke
speed
then acid and basically that lead to everything else, which was never too out of control. SWIM was just a curious kitty.

[DeweyOxburger]

The jump from pot to Mushrooms is a logical one to me. Almost everyone I know in my town has gone through this progression. The mushrooms , whiel giving one hell of a buzz , do not provide anywhere near the potential for a bad trip as LSD nor the addictivness of opiates. I personally moved from hemp to coke but I always was one for overachieving in life. Mind you this opinion is from a small town wher things like X , MDMA , ah hell anything even remotley exotic is like an urban legend.

[XCorruptX]

well swim went from alocohol to2.weed3.tobacco4.morphine patches5.valium6.adderall7.lorazepamdno the correct order from there8.xanax9.percocet10.(pain pills a friend takes swim dno what they were)11.ritalin12.benadrylvery possibly some other pills swim forgot about, then in order again13.cocaine14.lithium15.zoloftso yea like other people said it depends what direction swim wants and what swim thinks is soft everyone has different opinions about what drugs they prefer and swim would honesly not recommend anything he has done and swim will tell you why swim didn't like them. First off opiates they can be very addictive and swim doesn't think that's worth it. Swim would say don't do any pills either because alot of them are addictive and some have bad side effects. Next cocaine, it's a dirty drug, putting anything up your nose is not a good idea for any part of your nose or your brain, it can be addictive, you never know what is in it which is why swim calls it a dirty drug it can be cut with whatever the delear wants (same with other drugs too) and it's definetaly not even very good especially for the cost of it. Swim will tell swiy definitely stick with weed and if swiy wants to try anything new make he considers the positives and negatives and make sure swiy is at least as safe and responsible as can be. peace

[Amisten]

Stay organic as long as you can. That's what I did. Mushrooms are the way to go for the next step. They'll take you as far as you want them to(in relation to dosage). Though MDMA was my third drug so...its all up to you man...

[Nature Boy]

Good MDMA would seem like the most logical "second step" but it's so hard to find that I would go with a low-moderate dose of shrooms.

[Bojangles]

A lot of you people are saying that he should try shrooms, but I think that they cause much more anxiety than LSD....I know a lot of people who bugged out on shrooms...a lot of people call LSD a hard drug, which yea, I guess it is, but it is very warm, fuzzy, and happy!

[pharmapsyche]

It depends on your definition of a 'hard drug'. I understand what you mean when you say 'softer than mushrooms', though. I think you have a lot of different options to choose from if you are wanting to 'ease into' the world of illicit drugs. For starters, psychoactive mushrooms are controlled under schedule I in the USA. Some people would argue that schedule I drugs are the least-soft and schedule V/unscheduled drugs are the softest. I personally don't believe this to be true, because I would consider hydromorphone a 'harder' drug than psychoactive mushrooms even though it's listed under schedule II. Of course, a person with psychololgical issues would be better off taking a strong schedule II opiate rather then mushrooms, because the mushrooms would likely cause more of a drastic effect.

To answer your question simply, mushrooms are a good bet to start with if you are looking for a psychedelic hallucinagen, but a softer drug would probably be a schedule IV benzo.

[Hotboxed151]

Thanks everyone for the advice, but Swim is about to start selling Salvia and he is wondering if its a good idea for a second drug.

[pharmapsyche]

In my opinion, salvia is not really a good idea for a second drug because it is so unique and unpredictable. I hate it myself. It makes my whole body feel 'prickly' and there is little if any euphoria. Salvia is just a strange substance but I'd most definatly sample it for yourself before you start 'selling it'.

BTW, pharmacologically speaking, salvia has two psychoactive alkaloids: salvinorum A and salvinorum B. These drugs exert their hallucinagenic effects through the kappa opioid receptor system. Interesting eh?!

[raven3davis]

it really depends what kind of high you are looking for. If you want to trip then magic mushrooms would be a great choice. If you want to nod off and try some form of opiate then somtething like hydrocodone might be best. Adderall would be a good choice if you want to be sped up. Just read about all the different kinds of drugs and be informed before you take the jump.