sodium ghb

[uacvax]

Does it taste like gbl? Mine tastes like really salty gbl.

[robertone]

Sodium GHB, or just GHB should always taste terrible salty, regardsless of Swiip got it as powder or liquid. If the quality is good it should not have a [chemical] smell nor should there be a oily substance visible.

GHB stand for gamma-hydroxybuterate.

[uacvax]

shit. I have gbl in my ghb. Heat some more?

[u4ic]

Make sure to test the ph. Its a good idea to throw sodium g in orange juice or another acidic fruit juice. It will take care of any unreacted sodium hydroxide. You are better off having some gbl in your g than unreacted NaOH. Swim said he would rather have gbl than ghb cause there's way too much salt in it. Swim wants like to try potasium g.

[robertone]

Swim definitely prefers potasium above sodium!

Impurities can easely be removed by boiling the water of and recrystalise the solid ghb 2 times in methanol for the best result.

[Gahaba22]

Be very careful using methanol to recrystalise anything you are going to injest. It can cause blindness.

[robertone]

The resulting GHB from the last recrystalisation should be sucked well dry on a büchner funnel and afterwards dried in a drying kiln. No residu of methanol will be left! Don't trow away the methanol, besides the impurities it still contains a remarkable quantity of GHB.

[Ruud]

You can also boil the ghb till all the H2O is gone and your ghb has reached 150 degrees celcius and keep this temperature for 15 min.
Don't make it to hot otherwise your ghb will burn and turns yellow/brown.

The gbl will evaporate and what remain is almost pure ghb with no smell and chemical taste.

For SWIM it works perfect and its easy.

What also works, Throw a hand full of activated carbon for every liter ghb.
Let it stand for a couple of hours and filter it out. The impurities will be absorbed trough the carbon (SWIM nerver done this before but he read it somwhere).

Good luck!!

[robertone]

Methanol will also neutralise eventually unreacted sodiumhydroxide and keep the originated methylate in suspence, through which its filtered off.

[Amenselah]

>>>>>The gbl will evaporate and what remain is almost pure ghb with no smell and chemical taste.

The bp of gbl is 202C and GHB will burn around 160c....the water will evaporate not the gbl..

[Ruud]

Originally Posted by amenselah

>>>>>The gbl will evaporate and what remain is almost pure ghb with no smell and chemical taste.

The bp of gbl is 202C and GHB will burn around 160c....the water will evaporate not the gbl..

If you let it boil for a while the unreacted gbl whil evaporate, also it works for swim.

[twintornado]

from SWIM experience of drying out GHB results in a white solid which didnt responed well to crushing so they consumed in small pieces. They found it to be slightly oily which may of been unreacted GBL which seems preferable to unreacted NaOH.

The drying process they used was by creating a tray from foil and adding the ghb and heating on a low heat 130-150c (hard to be accurate with a domestic oven). Any suggestions for a better method using easily available apparatus.

[ironchemist]

Potassium hydroxide is a less desireable hydroxide and more of a salt load on the kidneys. SwiRober, swim was wonderring why swir likes it better than NaOh?

[robertone]

Originally Posted by ironchemist

Potassium hydroxide is a less desireable hydroxide and more of a salt load on the kidneys. SwiRober, swim was wonderring why swir likes it better than NaOh?

What does Potassium hydroxide has to do with salt load of the kidneys? Potassium hydroxide is used by the production of the Potassium gamma-hydroxybuterate salt, but won't be present as hydroxide in a well manufactured product. And for the kidney load, for people with kidney problems there's a dietic salt containing... Potassium chloride!

Why Swim likes it more? It works slightly different then its Sodium counterpart. It allows, to Swim's experience, deeper and better erotic feelings and also taste a bit nicer. This differents is probably also the reason why some people disagree with the discription of GHB in J. Morgenthaler's book "Better Sex Through Chemistry". Swim is convinced that J. Morgenthaler used the Potassium GHB salt.

[Amenselah]

both can defended--

Excessive use of the Na salt can cause a very minor
K depression that is correctable by eating a few bananas.

Dr. Henri Laborit found the potassium salt to be more toxic than the
sodium salt.


Sodium and potassium are both needed by the nervous system in a specific
ratio. I would suggest combining these salts in that ratio to avoid the
K depression.


Personally I would rather eat a couple of bananas than introduce a
relatively more toxic drug into my system.




Potassium is excreted in the kidney just as sodium is... There is a little pump in the distal renal tubules that excretes the excess potassium. Interestingly
enough, sodium is pumped contralaterally in the pump - So if someone was to take too much of the NaGHB, he would exhaust extracellular potassium stores; alter neuronal conductivity gradients - resulting in muscle cramps and
heart arrhythmia's.

[Gahaba22]

If your kidneys are working properly, they will take care of the relative Na or K excess or deficiency. I wouldn't get to caught up in worrying about which salt of GHB you consume, unless you are taking GHB all day everyday. Then of course you've got more problems than just the "salt" rentention!

[catfish_groid]

Hi-
been swim's experience tha tthe KGHB is sorta "licorice"-flavored, while the NaGHB is very salty.
Swim's old recipe was 1:1 molar ratios of NaOH (in water) and GBL, raw GBL heated in a SS pot to ~100'C, then the base dripped in slowly to avoid spattering. When all the base was in, the solution was heated to ~160'C, to steam distill all (if any) of the unreacted GBL...when the steam stops and no more "buttery" smell was evident, the temp would rise rapidly and it was removed form heat, then quickly poured into a glass pan to cool.
The resultant "soap", as we called it, was then portioned into 500 g lots and mixed with ~ 1 qt of distilled water and dosed by volume.
I believe we used to do about 10 mls for 100-150 lbs, 15 mls for 150-200 lbs body weight, 20 mls for over 200 lbs.
LOL, some girls didn't want to say their real weight ,so complained it was bunk, but the dudes never lied, so they got off! We would then have the girls write down their weight after a few rounds of this, then throw it away after measuring out the ineveitable and proper volume.
-cfg

[DJ-666]

The resulting stuff a damned bastard, but every idiot can synthesize it.
After only one failed/unsatisfying try everything should go perfect...otherwise: Keep away from any other synth here in this forum!

Its just like cooking up some package of "Maggi Asia Noodles-Snack"...

[juanablohme]

Why not mix the NaOH and the KOH together in the end (after you do 2 seperate reactions). This way, you get a littel of each. Maybe it would be a littel smoother to.?.

[Domspun]

Originally Posted by juanablohme

Why not mix the NaOH and the KOH together in the end (after you do 2 seperate reactions). This way, you get a littel of each. Maybe it would be a littel smoother to.?.

Need to study the better ratios!