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#4
02-12-2004, 03:50
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I wish you luck. I have been trying to find one of these for a few years now. It is very hard to find people who actually sell them. A couple friends have them, and sort of lucked into them
They must be milked of their venom, and the venom must then be dried in order to smoke it.</font> 
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05-01-2006, 20:06
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ever lick or smoke a toad (Bufotenine)?
Toad Licking
You've probably heard about 'toad licking'. Go out into the woods, find a stream, find a toad, lick it, and ta-da! La-La land. Well, it's not EXACTLY like that... although, finding mushrooms is ALMOST like that, except you don't go into the woods, you go into a pasture, and instead of finding a stream, you find a pile of cow flop... but that's another subject. But anyway, back to the toad thing. First of all, if you do happen to find the right toad, it wouldn't be a good idea to lick it. The stuff that 'gets you off' is actually venom. The frog secretes the stuff when it gets agitated, such as when a predator is about to gobble it down. As soon as the wolf or gila monster or whatever puts the thing in it's mouth, it spits it out, because the venom tastes like ca-ca. But a human, however... a human dedicated to catching a buzz will go ahead and lick the toad, because he's got a new-fangled cerebral cortex that suppresses his natural instincts for long term survival in favor of his need for instant gratification. So before you go stuffing toads in your mouth, here's a few things you should know. The toad's venom is concentrated on the surface of it's skin, and that's why licking is dangerous. Smoking it is a different story, however. The toxic ingredient in toad venom is called bufotenine, which is burned off while smoking. After the toxic stuff is gone, what's left is the hallucinogen 5-MeO-DMT. THIS is what sends you to never-never land. The only toad known to contain 5-MeO-DMT in it's venom is Bufo Alvaris, also called the Colorado River Toad. It is found in the Southwestern portions of the U.S., usually along the Colorado River in Southern Arizona, California, and Northern New Mexico. 5-MeO-DMT is classified as an unscheduled substance, which means that it is legal to posess... but B. Alvarus venom also contains bufotenine, which is scheduled, so you are hereby warned of all the cop crap. B. Alvarus is a very large, squat toad with smooth, leathery, greenish-grey skin with tannish underparts. It has several round warts on the body, and four large parotid glands found where the hind-leg meets the body and also above the ear membranes. They can grow up to 9 inches long, but they usually range between 4 and 9 inches. If you ever do actually have one of these greeblies in your hands, be very careful, because as I stated earlier, it secretes venom when agitated, so wear gloves or something and don't rub your eyes or any other orafice on your body after handling it. In order to get a smokeable sample, put the toad on a piece of glass (a pyrex baking dish works well) and rub the parotid glands behind it's eyes. This will irritate the toad, and it will secrete a milky fluid. Once there is a goodly amount of it, let it evaporate to a crystal and then scrape it with a razor blade. Put it in a glass pipe, and then SHMOKE IT! These are the commonly reported (generic) effects Coming on INSTANLY, you will feel a buzzing head-rush and notice a profound change in light and color perceptions. Acute closed-eye visual hallucinations are commonly reported. Effects last for 5 to 15 minutes, falling off rapidly. WARNING: Venom smokers may experience dizziness and/or heart palpitations. If this occurs, breathe slowly and deeply until the effect fades. Here is a first hand account by Yours Truly A friend of mine mailed me a sample of this stuff, and included was a note that read 'have a nice time'. I had no idea what this 5-MeO-DMT stuff was, and expected some kind of a mellow buzz akin to marijuana. So, confidently, I loaded the stuff into a pipe, sat back in my lounge chair, and prepared to chill out. Two seconds after I had inhaled my first (and only) hit, the room exploded. When I say that, I mean... it EXPLODED. Everything came apart like a puzzle, but the pieces were still next to each other, like it had only come apart at the seams but hadn't scattered to the four winds. It was an extreme, instant rush; VERY INTENSE. I gripped the arms of the chair I was sitting in like I was on a roller-coaster, and looked over at my lifelong buddy Clintmonstah, and his face flew into 5 different parts. Actually, it was his face, reproduced 5 times, hovering around the central image of his REAL face. I can remember saying something like "oh shit, this is heavy", and then Clint left the room, knowing that something SERIOUS was going on. What followed after that is very hard to recall, because it seemed like a VERY long time passed... a lot longer than the 5 minutes that actually passed in reality between the time when Clint left the room and when he came back. When Clint came back in the room, I was starting to chill out a little, but during those 5 minutes, I was somewhere else. Where, I do not know. Not only was I someWHERE else, I was someWHEN else too. I could have lived an entire lifetime in those 5 minutes, because it seemed like an eternity had passed. Time lost all meaning. EVERYTHING lost all meaning. I was in limbo for those 5 minutes. But I finally came back... and had a frame of reference again! I exhaled in relief. After that, things calmed down, until the effects were completely gone. The entire episode lasted for about 30 minutes from the time I inhaled to the time I was totally back in reality. And what a journey it was... If you've ever done acid or mushrooms, then imagine the heaviest trip you've ever had magnified about 100 times. That is what it's like when you inhale about 5 milligrams (the recommended dose) of 5-MeO-DMT. And it's instant, not like the slow, gradual coming on when you take an acid hit or eat a shroom. So if you ever have a chance to smoke some 5-MeO-DMT, now you know what you're in for, unlike poor naive me who was expecting a mellow buzz in my comfortable lounge chair in my air-conditioned apartment. But, it's definitely worth the trip, even if you take it only once. I haven't taken it since, and it has been 2 years... But you know, you can order the stuff legaly from a company called 'XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX I have found the brochure which was floating around my apartment somewhere, and here's the address and phone number like I said, so you can check it out for yourself. O-tay, butt-wheat? Do NOT post sources here. Read the Rules. Thanks. Last edited by Nagognog2; 05-01-2006 at 23:31.
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09-01-2006, 00:16
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the above is a verbatim copy-paste from a Geocities page. i believe it is NOT searcher's writing.
now, anecdotal evidence suggests that getting a good hit of 2BR-ICK (of course, only the pure rock form will do) will produce the same effect and will help you avoid frenchkissing gaggles of hapless toads (lest they turn into a princes?).
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#8
09-01-2006, 08:06
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But the best is, of course, the Cane-Toad. Right nano?
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#10
03-05-2006, 04:49
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SWIM remembers reading in the anarchist cookbook that you could kill a toad and smoke its dead body! The instructions to do so were right after the instructions on how to make lsd from morning glory seeds. ROFL...........peace SWIM is about to go smoke a banana peel or possible peanut shells (SWIM must refer to his trusty anarchist cook book to find which one will fuck him up more).
Then again SWIM could always just try to make some sort of explosive and get high off the fumes! Where does the toad licking myth come from anyways? Homer licked a toad on one episode so many of SWIMs friends think you can get high from licking a toad. lol people are goofy including swim...peace
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#11
03-05-2006, 05:03
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bufo alavarus (sp?) toads contain 5 meo dmt.
you will not be able to get high off the 5 meo dmt though unless you milk the toad for its venom. Licking will get you nowhere. i think that is where the whole toad licking thing comes from.
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#12
03-05-2006, 08:25
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From a real incident:
Hot Frogs on the Loose By the light of the Tennessee moon From the bilious bubbles of a black lagoon They make a hound dog howl a SWAT team swoon Hot frogs on the loose They've multiplied since '53 Slurping nuclear debris Amphibious fabulous fancy free Hot frogs on the loose CHORUS: Hippity hoppity here they come Radioactive lookin' for fun If you kiss 'em look out for the tongue Hot frogs on the loose They got little skinny legs and big bug eyes Fraternizing's not advised They like you like they like flies Hot frogs on the loose They got a chicken nugget body and a whopper leap In your bedroom while you sleep They'll make your Geiger counter beep Hot frogs on the loose CHORUS You can put the pedal to the metal till the rubber squeals Squish 'em with your tires you got hot wheels How you know how it feels to be a Hot frog on the loose Please do not keep them as pets Sauteing them may bring regrets Make a citizen's arrest of a Hot frog on the loose Frogs for peace frogs for defense Don't be nervous don't be tense We've got a sure-fire three-foot fence To keep the hot frogs from gettin loose CHORUS - Fred Small
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#13
03-05-2006, 16:44
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21-08-2006, 02:17
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Just uploaded this to the file archive, thought it may be applicable to this thread.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...=1014&catid=53 Abstract Anthropologists have long speculated that ancient peoples of Mesoamerica used a toad, Bufo marinas, as a ritual intoxicant. This hypothesis rests on many iconographic and mythological representations of toads and on a number of speculative ethnographic reports. The authors reject B. marinus as a candidate for such use because of the toxicity of its venom. A more likely candidate is the Sonoran desert toad, Bufo alvarius, which secretes large amounts of the potent known hallucinogen, 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (5MeO-DMT). The authors demonstrate that the venom of B. ulvarius, although known to be toxic when consumed orally, may be safely smoked and is powerfully psychoactive by that route of administration. These experiments are the first documentation of an hallucinogenic agent from the animal kingdom, and they provide clear evidence of a psychoactive toad that could have been employed by Precolumbian peoples of the New World. Quote:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo..._effects.shtml
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21-08-2006, 03:56
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Trebor swim doesnt get what swiy means, explain, does swiy mean because it isnt active orally unless in combination with an maoi, cuz we are discussing smoking, swim is just guessing not sure wat u mean.
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#17
21-08-2006, 18:21
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All members of the genus Bufo have nasty oral toxin (peptides and cardiac glycosides) which are active orally but not when smoked. However, only alvarus has 5meoDMT. Some smoke Bufo marinus venom, but it is not 5meoDMT. Licking any toad, including bufo alvarus, is a good way to die a nasty death. Those from toad infected regions of Australia can attest to how toxic these critters are.
If you wanna get high in the animal kingdom, snakes and scorpion venom is the way to go. Snapper
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22-08-2006, 12:48
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I'm kinda lost now:
Does the milking a toad actually work or is it a myth? If so, would it be morally ok to keep one as a pet hooked to a milking machine? (I guess most people know where the banan thing came from. I read a story in "I want to get you higher" but that might have been made up too..)
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#19
25-08-2006, 21:32
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Yes one could milk a toad but it scares them really bad which in could scare the hell out of you. No one could not milk it often they need a resting period or it does serious damage to the toad. Why would one want to hurt/scare a toad to get high VERY bad Karma. If one wants to experience 5-meo-dmt buy it from a research company. In the long run it is much cheaper than keeping a pet toad properly. These toads need lots of room and lots of food the up keep is very expensive. Also all the toads that can be food in pet stores are wild caught. So when one gets them they are taking a toads freedom away so one is putting a toad in jail. Would you want to be locked up and tortured by your cellmate Bubba for the rest of you life?
Swib understand trebor. 5-meo-dmt is very whitening were as nndmt is very colorful. Which is what swib thinks was meant one gets launched into the universe but with out all the beautiful colors. The steak dinner with out the steak. leave the poor defenseless toads alone! It takes a person who knows how to take care of these speacial animals to care for them properlly, if not one is just hurting an animal.
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#20
25-08-2006, 23:11
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To begin with, if you decide you want to keep the Colorado River Toad, do so. Not because you can get trip off the venom (although some see it is a plus), but because they are awesome animals. Their care is no different than any other toad. Give him a deep moist substrate to dig in, clean water every day, and feed him 2-3 times a week. He'll eat crickets, which should be dusted with calcium carbonate. Larger toads will be able to eat new-borne mice on a less frequent schedule. Mice with hair should not be fed, as the hair is difficult for to break down and digest, and may lead to impaction. Keep his enclosure in the mid 80s to low 90s during the day, and allow it to drop to the mid 60s at night. While not necessary, providing him with some sort of lighting containing the UVB wavelength will certainly improve his health. As far as the enclosure goes, we have kept them in rubbermaids, but your standard glass aquarium will work also. If you choose to use a glass aquarium, take paper and wrap it around the first 2 or 3 inches of the entire tank, so the toad knows he can't climb through there. Left open, he will continously try to climb out through the glass, resulting in a messed up nose and jaw. As far as milking the venom, do it no more frequently than once a month. There are more spots to milk than just the ones on the head, they have glands on the legs and on the front feet. "Half-a-gram to a gram or more of fresh venom can be collected from a large adult specimen of B. alvarius. Half of this weight is water and evaporates upon drying. But, as must as fifteen per cent of the dry weight is the predominant alkaloid, 5-MEO-DMT. In other words, one large toad yielding one gram of fresh venom may equal as much as seventy-five milligrams of potent hallucinogen, psychoactive in man at doses of three to five milligrams." - Erowid Toad Venom Vault The concern for wild-caught specimens is a very real issue, atleast. If you look around, there are captive bred toads available, but definately more pricey...but worth it. You shouldn't have to deal with internal parasites or bacterial infections that are common with wild-caught toads. If SWIM thinks of anything else, I'll post it for him. These guys make awesome pets, and are fun to have around. Nothing creepier than when SWIY is tripping, and the happy, horney male toad starts singing... And also, orally ingesting the venom is a bad idea, as it contains bufotenin, which is potentially toxic. Stick to smoking it. Last edited by Jatelka; 26-08-2006 at 09:09. Reason: post merged
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25-08-2006, 23:54
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In the US, captive bred toads are illegal bu Arizona law, which allows a seasonal bag limit of 10 and no sales. AZ will not prosecute small timers but will go after anyone selling large amounts of captive bred toads, which is too bad because they are not that hard to breed. This probably does not apply to other countries. The legal status in California is unclear and there are no laws in other states against them. If they are found to be used as a drug the DEA can come after you; there is one precedent setting case of a prosecution for possession and intent to sell bufotenine with someone who owned and milked the toads a while back.
They can be kept as other toads, but like it drier than most species. Letting the water dish dry out weekly, then refilling, probably is closer to their normal life cycle. If it is too moist, they are prone to skin infections long term. These are very personable animals and make good pets. They also seem quite long lived, tame and very amenable to captivity. Probably because predators ignore them (like cane toads) and so they are not as fearful as otehr wild animals.
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26-08-2006, 03:06
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According to the United States Fish and WildLife Service, they are neither listed as endangered or protected.
According to the Global Amphibian Assessment Database, they are listed as a species of Least Concern. "Red List Category Rationale: Listed as Least Concern in view of its wide distribution, tolerance of a degree of habitat modification, presumed large population, and because it is unlikely to be declining fast enough to qualify for listing in a more threatened category." Most states require you to possess a fishing license when collecting reptiles/amphibians, and they have a limit on the number of wild-caught specimens of any one species you collect. You know, they don't want you to take the entire breeding population of an animal with you. I don't know why a state would prohibit you from having captive-bred animals of any type, as that doesn't hurt the population. Surely you meant wild-caught? In my state (confusion), even the animals that are protected can be sold, if you have proof they are captive bred from an out of state breeder. Endangered are illegal regardless. I also find it very interesting that you feel these need a drier environment. I've always kept them moist, and if given a larger portion of water, these guys will swim. A lot. It's necessary for them to breed, infact. The source of a bacterial infection on one of these guys would be a dirty water source, or stale air ... the same as with any reptile. The term thrown around the reptile industry for this occurance is septicima, scale rot, skin rot, ect. Again, I'll restate...every one of these SWIM has kept has loved a moist substrate (he uses coco coir), because they'll dig. They'll dig, and tunnel. And given enough water, they'll swim around. If these weren't such tanks when it came to moving around the enclosure, their habitat would be perfect for mushroom cultivation. Stamets did it with tree frogs. There seems to be a lot of false information going around about these guys, as always.
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26-08-2006, 07:39
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Aw man, leave the toads alone!
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26-08-2006, 09:07
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SWIM has also used coconut fiber, but lets it mostly dry out. Water dish if cleaned and filled weekly, but allowed to dry in between. These are animals that spend much of their time buried to prevent overheating and dehydration, storing water inside them to use. Allowing for dry cycles is more in accord with their natural behavior, and keeps nasty bacteria from overgrowing a constantly damp substrate. However, if works for you works for you, and stick with it. There is more than one right way to do things.
Breeding is facilitated by allowing dry periods. Then, when they get to swim, an orgy will ensue. California lists the fogs as species of speical interest because they are extinct in the state thanks to pesticides from the US Army in the 1940s. Arizona will go after you if you sell them if you take the time to research. Your state has no laws against it, but Arizona does and can pursue a case outside of state lines. This is probably why no captive breds are ever offered, though they are easy to breed in captivity. You are allowed a back limit of 10 with a fishing license, but need to return them by next year if alive, and it is illegal to sell them. No one recently has pushed the envelope by offering captive bred toads for sale, but chances are problems would ensue. PM if you have any other questions - SWIM has worked with amphibians for years and B. alvarus are amongst SWIMs favorite herps.
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