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Originally Posted by IHrtHalucingens
Haha sorry for bringing back such an old thread, but SWIM has been wondering recently about the recreational value of ephedrine or pseudoephedrine. There are very conflicting reports all over here on which is more euphoric, if it is at all, effective doses, ect. SWIM doesnt much like meth, but he enjoys lower level stimulants and euphoria from them. Are either of these worth anything recreationally, and what would be a good dose for some decent euphoria. thanks in advance.
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In swim's experience, the only good recreational use for ephedrine is in combination with Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds to counteract the depressive effects of the LSA and make the trip more sociable. It is great for this.
As for pseudoephedrine, swim isn't quite sure what the distinction is between ephedrine and it.
Here is a quote from an experience report on erowid titled "The Recreational Effects From Ephedrine"
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This is not one specific experience report but rather the compilation of various ephedrine experiences and a guide for people new to ephedrine. Ephedrine can be found in OTC (over-the-counter) pills such as Mini-Thins, Yellow Jackets, and Stacker 2s. I have used this interesting stimulant on and off for the past year and I am pretty happy with it's effects. I am also glad to say that it is not scheduled.
My first experience with ephedrine was rather a quite stupid attempt of me to get a good buzz. My past experience with Ritalin led me to believe that all stimulants produced a good euphoria. So with this ignorant thought in mind I proceded to take 6 pills of Mini-Thins. These pills don't just contain 25 mg ephedrine but also an expectorant (gaufisen, I believe). Which totaled to 150 mg of ephedrine! After 45 minutes I could feel the effects coming on...I became very sped up to say the least and had a good tingly feeling in the top of my head. Pretty soon the speedy effects just kept getting stronger and stronger and my heart began to beat very rapidly. Suffice to say, I was not very happy for a while and I had to wait 3 hours before I started to feel normal again. The way I felt is when you take an overdose of caffeine....very agitated and jittery. After this horrible experience I decided to stay away from ephedrine for a while.
One day, during a particular rough day at school, a friend of mine offered me 2 Yellow Jackets. These pills contain 25 mg of ephedrine, some caffeine, and some other herbs. They are to be used solely for the purpose of energy my friend had told me. Well, being very wary of my first ephedrine experience I took 1 pill. With 1 pill or 25 mg of ephedrine one will get sped up and have a general mood lift. I found out that I liked the experience and took the other pill later that night. I would not say it produced euphoria...a euphoria is a very strong good feeling and body high. Ephedrine just gave me a mood lift. I am sure it could pep me up if I was depressed.
Every so often I would take 1 or 2 pills of ephedrine. Everything from Yellow Jackets, to Stingers, to Stacker 2s. Ephedrine really works for me in doses lower than 100 mg and it is good if you need to burn the midnight oil for a test or study for school. I believe, however, that ephedrine is on it's way to becoming outlawed. Reason #1...it can be used to make methamphetamine and the feds do not like this. Reason #2...somebody out there makes the same mistake I did their first time with ephedrine and ends up seriously hurting themselves or even dying.
Ephedrine can also be very rewarding if taken with some other substances. Alcohol and a low-dose of ephedrine can be quite stimulating and some have compared it to a low-dose of MDMA (XTC). I have tried this combination and I would not compare it to MDMA but it definantly makes the drinking experience more enjoyable. Another combination I have tried is with DXM. I have found out that taking ephedrine at the same time you take the DXM ruins the DXM experience. However, if the ephedrine is taken an hour or two after you take your DXM than you get a nice sedated feeling. Be careful with this combination...the synergistic effects probably raise heart rate and blood pressure a good bit.
Overall, ephedrine can be a very rewarding substance if used properly. I have really enjoyed the latter part of my experiences with ephedrine and just wanted to put in my two cents for anyone who is interested in this substance. Thank you for your time Erowid. Take care and keep cool.
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Here is another report that comments on ephedrine's recreational aspects
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Being somewhat of a speed-freak I have always been interested in what over-the-counter stimulants will do to my mood and energy..etc. Anyway I have heard a lot about ephedrine (the Chinese herb Ma Huang) and heard that it was stronger than caffeine. My usual dose is between 25-50 mg, maybe more depending on how I want to feel.
Twenty-five milligrams of epehdrine will make me feel bursting with energy and have a very, very small euphoric feeling. Music sounds a little better on it. But I make sure I am taking just strainght ephedrine and not any of that Two-Way bullshit that contains guaifenesin. Too much of the guaifenesin, an expectorant, makes me feel like shit.
I have used ephedrine when wanting to successfully stay up all night and not feel like shit but the next day the crash is pretty bad. I would never go over 150-200 mg because after this point you are pretty much putting your heart at risk.
This is a pretty good OTC substance when used responsibly and can be pretty fun. Well, stay safe...keep cool.
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Another interesting report. This is interesting to swim as he snowboards and adderall greatly enhances performance, so he wonders if this would be a better substitute as he doesn't like amphetamines much.
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After having ski raced for ten years of my adolescence and through college, I never felt that I had reached my full potential. Through all the years, I hadn't felt like I really knew how much I was enjoying what I was doing, either. Last year (2000) I decided to start supplementing my ski experience with ephedra and cannabis. At first it felt weird, as it should, to do something that is considered illegal and immoral (not that I cared much though).
However, once I got over the weirdness of it, I noticed that I was so much more relaxed on the ski hill...I was able to react quicker due to the ephedra in my system and the cannabis allowed me to feel my muscles working much more effectively. After a couple years of doing this, I have improved my skiing experience even when sober. It has allowed me to study myself and how my thought processes work.
Not only that, but it breaks up the monotony of doing something I have been doing for most of my life.
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Ephedrine or possibly pseudoephedrine seem like they would be good used in conjunction with sports activities, such as skateboarding, surfing, windsurfing, snowboarding, tennis, badmiton, etc. It seems to give you a boost.
It also seems to be able to extend your ability to perform athletically according to this study.
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Title: Combined caffeine and ephedrine ingestion improves run times of Canadian Forces Warrior Test. Author: Bell, D G Add.Author / Editor: Jacobs, I Citation: Aviat Space Environ Med. Volume: 70, Issue: 4, Date: 1999 06 08, Pages: 325-9 Year: 1999 Abstract: The ingestion of a combination of caffeine (C) and ephedrine (E) has been reported to prolong exercise time to exhaustion during cycle ergometry at 85% VO2max. The present study was undertaken to investigate whether this enhancement would occur in a field setting and if drug ingestion on 1 d would affect performance 1 d later. Two hours after ingesting either a combination of 375 mg of C and 75 mg E (C+E), or a placebo (P), 9 healthy male recreational runners completed six balanced and double-blind trials of the Canadian Forces Warrior Test (WT), a 3.2 km run wearing "fighting order" which weighed about 11 kg. The trials were performed in sets of two runs, i.e., two runs were done 24 h apart, and these sets were separated by a minimum of 7 d. The sets were: C+E trial on day 1 (D1), placebo on day 2 (P2); placebo first (P1), C+E second (D2); and placebo first (P3), placebo second (P4). In addition, 1 wk before the treatment trials the subjects performed a control trial WT. During the WT, heart rates (HR) were recorded every minute. Plasma C and E levels immediately before the WT were similar for both C+E trials, but were undetectable for all P trials. Run times (mean+/-SD) were 15.3+/-0.6, 15.4+/-0.9, 15.5+/-1.2, 15.4+/-0.9, 15.4+/-0.9, 14.8+/-0.7, and 14.6+/-0.8 min for control, P1, P2, P3, P4, D1, D2 trials, respectively. The two C+E trial run times were similar and both were significantly faster (p < 0.05) than control and all placebo trials. HR during the WT was significantly higher (p < 0.05) for the C+E trials compared with the other trials. WT performance was not impaired by C+E ingestion 24 h earlier. In conclusion, performance of the WT was improved by ingestion of C+E.
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So it seems there are possible recreational uses for ephedrine (and possibly pseudoephedrine depending on how similar the two are) but mainly in combination with other substances or certain activities (or both) rather than by itself.
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