Random thought

[Creeping Death]

"Reality is that wich doesn't go away when you stop beliving in it"

So what we are in right now is then "official reality". However, there are different ways in wich one can induce a completely different one. If you take a strong drug, or meditate for 12 years, you can find yourself in a totally different reality, unlike anything in this one. And while you are there, you have stopped beliving in official reality.

When you've done this (stopped beliving) the only thing that's real to you is the reality that you are currently in (the random, drug induced one). So, in theory, the only thing that is holding you back into the official reality is the perception of the creatures around you.

Do you follow? What i'm trying to say is, when you're tripping (or dreaming, or whatever), you have no connection to official reality because you don't belive in it. The only thing that kind of anchors your physical body here is the fact that others belive, and can percive, that you are there.

So, if all the creatures in the world simultaniously stopped beliving in the official reality, it would completely disappear. Because nobody would be able to "resume" beliving in it. And in return, with this old official reality disappearing, a completely new one would be created. Perhaps this is the purpose of life and energy? To stop beliving and then "advance" to the next level?

I don't know. It's not my religion, but it's interesting in a way.

[emineo]

In some of Baba Ram Dass' writings he talks about various lamas and high religious beings.

He talks about one of these beings in particular who had a half dozen people or more "watching" him at all times, because they believed if there was no one there to physically see him, he would lose his connection to this world and ascend from this existence.

Pretty similar to what you're describing, and it's Buddhism from what I understand.

[a-SalviaLover]

Yes, the only thing that is certain is that there is nothing certain. Reality is what you preceive through your sensory. You cannever be sure that it exisits. And you can't say that the one, who tells you what you are seeing doesn't exisit, is wrong. And what you are seeing is hearing is only a fine outline of what is happening around you. When you see colours or hear voices this doesn't mean that they exist. Colours are just something your consciousness apply to the frequency it perceives and sounds are a way to interpret another type of frequencies. This doesn't mean that these things exist and what's around you really looks like this. To look like sth is possible through the sensory of a person, but doesn't exist itself.

[Nature Boy]

"Yes, let's all sit on our asses and drop acid 'til the cows come home" - Me.

As much fun as disconnecting one's mind from normal reality is, the fact of the matter is the world needs people with their heads screwed on correctly to put food on your table, to power your electricity and to suck your dick etc.

I'd love to do a John Lennon and sit in bed for a couple of weeks and let the world go by, but realistically, that shit won't fly unless you're exceedingly rich/carefree.

[emineo]

Originally Posted by nature_boy_liam

"Yes, let's all sit on our asses and drop acid 'til the cows come home" - Me.

As much fun as disconnecting one's mind from normal reality is, the fact of the matter is the world needs people with their heads screwed on correctly to put food on your table, to power your electricity and to suck your dick etc.

I'd love to do a John Lennon and sit in bed for a couple of weeks and let the world go by, but realistically, that shit won't fly unless you're exceedingly rich/carefree.

Yes, dad!

There will be no more mind expanding discussions here!

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by emineo

Yes, dad!

There will be no more mind expanding discussions here!

Mind expanding discussions my ass!

[Creeping Death]

Originally Posted by nature_boy_liam

"Yes, let's all sit on our asses and drop acid 'til the cows come home" - Me.

As much fun as disconnecting one's mind from normal reality is, the fact of the matter is the world needs people with their heads screwed on correctly to put food on your table, to power your electricity and to suck your dick etc.

I'd love to do a John Lennon and sit in bed for a couple of weeks and let the world go by, but realistically, that shit won't fly unless you're exceedingly rich/carefree.

Not necesserally. You don't really need people to take care of you. Shaman dudes can live by themselves on the plains of africa, quite comfortably.

If the shaman guy all of the sudden took too much mescaline and tripped for a month or something, he would phisiclly die soon enough. However, would he actually die? Would he even know that he died? Maybe in his head, everything would proceed as "normal" long after his body dies. The transition from life to death would be un noticed, and he would possibly be immortal... somehow..

That's right. Mind expanding, my ass! More like confusing.

[RealGanjaMan]

Originally Posted by Creeping Death

Not necesserally. You don't really need people to take care of you. Shaman dudes can live by themselves on the plains of africa, quite comfortably.

If the shaman guy all of the sudden took too much mescaline and tripped for a month or something, he would phisiclly die soon enough. However, would he actually die? Would he even know that he died? Maybe in his head, everything would proceed as "normal" long after his body dies. The transition from life to death would be un noticed, and he would possibly be immortal... somehow..

That's right. Mind expanding, my ass! More like confusing.

I sort of understand what you mean,
but I'm confused with this statement:
"Maybe in his head, everything would proceed as "normal" long after his body dies."

The brain stops working when the body does. It needs oxygen etc...

Did you mean his 'soul' would become concious after he dies?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding it alltogether.
Could you clarify that part for me?

-RGM

[Nature Boy]

African shamans with the life expectancy of 34, sore feet and no food not to mention recreational drugs. No thanks.

[LowExpectations]

Reality itself never changes, only how you see reality. A table never spontaneously changes into a rabbit when you find a new perspective on a substance, hallucinations are not the substantiation of objects of unknown origins or dimensions or anywhere but yourself. When you see a face in a wall, you do not see a face in a wall, you see what you believe to be a face in a wall because for a moment, your mind interperets it as that.

I always explain visuals to the inexperienced not as seeing something new, but believing something new. You never see further than what is already there, you simply find new meaning in what is already there. And believe me, I have had the most intense visuals possible. A friend of SWIM's extracted 2 grams of DMT and SWIU explored the chemical's depths thoroughly. Even then it is simply a retreat into one's own mind, completely and utterly. Inwards, not out.