Drug info - is lamictal abuseable

[Jeyez]

for reasons that i will not discuss (legal) i have acess to many medications, im wondering if lamical is abuseable, it is used for bipolar disorder. I have experimented with seroquel and its ehh... its like a benzo without any of the fun, how is lamictal is it a sedative? any info would be apreciated

[Mike177]

Do you mean Lamictal (lamotrigine)?
It is used to prevent seizures and treat bi-polar disorder. This one doesn't look any good to me.

[Jeyez]

ye, im not sayin i have tried it im just curious since, a doctor in my family has meds and i found some shit for bi polar patients, and seroquel while not nearly as a good as any benzo, is somewhat abusable. I figured if they both are "bi polar, mood stabilizers" they might have similar effects such as sedation... on the bottles it has warnings about drowsiness (though that means nothing", any info would be appreciated, thanks mike

[philoscybin]

lamictal has no recreational value whatsoever. seroquel, also non recreational, is in a completely different class of drugs from lamictal, it is an anti-psychotic/major tranquilizer like risperdal, zyprexa, or thorazine. no fun.

[Toltec]

I'm here because; a friend of mine takes Lamictal for Bi polar (for the last 18 mo). I have known this person for 20 years +. We have tripped many times, in our past together absent the Lamictal, we know what psychedelics /LSD is like. (This person has never, had a bad trip ether)

Well one day many moons ago we both took, very large does of LSD, enough to make me question my: Reality ego loss thingy go'n on in my head ;-)

My friend "DID NOT FEEL ANYTHING!!!" in fact he/she went to bed an hour after taking LSD sleeping sound the entire night leaving me in the other world,,,, so to speak.

The next day while attempting to grasp reality again; I ask, did you really take that LSD or not? I have never seen anyone in my tripping experiences not feel a strong dose of clean LSD. I am bewildered!!!

So take it for what it is, I tell now lie here for research sake.

A Question;
This person feels robed, and wonders how long he/she should stop taking Lamictal so they can give LSD another go. Then again does anyone really know? I feel 2 weeks should be fine.

Any answers would really be welcomed
cheers

[Zaprenz]

If lamotrigine IS the cause and is blocking the effects of LSD then it won't take long (few weeks prob) to return to normal.

THREE quite serious problems with that:
a) coming of lamictal may well be BAD and potentially risky for bipolar disorder. (Depends on diagnosis, severity, something that can't be calculated purely from discussion on this forum)
b) taking LSD may be equally BAD or risky for bipolar disorder.
c) If you have just started lamotrigine (See below - increased risk of serious skin reactions)

ALSO

How long have they been taking lamotrigine?

Lamotrigine has two VERY serious side effects (as well as other s/e)

• Stevens-Johnson Syndrome
• Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis

[The risk is apparantely the most serious in the first 2 - 8 weeks but importantly when the drug is stopped for a short time and normal dosing resumed subsequently - this is VERY applicable to someone stopping just to appreciate the effects of LSD and resuming afterwards, blood tests are usually taken during initial phase]

As for abuse potential (in general) of lamotrigine: LESS than zero in SWIMS opinion. It's not fun, many potential generally unfun side effects and some very serious side effects (namely those above). Useful for monitored medical conditions anything else and NO not worth it.

Abuse potential of seroquel: Low doses probably has similar effects to first generation anti-histamines (which is it's main effect @ such concentrations). Any higher dose and you get D2 blocking and other anti-pychotic effects (VERY UNFUN) & will definately block 5HT2a receptors. In other words completely pointless unless medically prescribed for a diagnosed condition.

Both far worse than benzodiazepines and both have more serious side effects. (with the possible acception of low addiction potential which is useful if taken for medical reasons)

[Toltec]

This person has a mild case of Bi polar, they never displayed extream bi polar behavior. They beed taking lamictal for 18 months now.\

Thanks for your response
Cheers

[benzoylmethyl ecognine]

SWIM has bi-polar and gets just high as fuck off of lamotrigine, haha but I don't think everyone gets high as fuck off it.

[zeno]

Originally Posted by Toltec

I'm here because; a friend of mine takes Lamictal for Bi polar (for the last 18 mo). I have known this person for 20 years +. We have tripped many times, in our past together absent the Lamictal, we know what psychedelics /LSD is like. (This person has never, had a bad trip ether)

Well one day many moons ago we both took, very large does of LSD, enough to make me question my: Reality ego loss thingy go'n on in my head ;-)

My friend "DID NOT FEEL ANYTHING!!!" in fact he/she went to bed an hour after taking LSD sleeping sound the entire night leaving me in the other world,,,, so to speak.

The next day while attempting to grasp reality again; I ask, did you really take that LSD or not? I have never seen anyone in my tripping experiences not feel a strong dose of clean LSD. I am bewildered!!!

So take it for what it is, I tell now lie here for research sake.

A Question;
This person feels robed, and wonders how long he/she should stop taking Lamictal so they can give LSD another go. Then again does anyone really know? I feel 2 weeks should be fine.

Any answers would really be welcomed
cheers

Stopping one's meds for a serious mental illness in order to use LSD seems like an extremely bad idea. I assume your friend is aware of why Bipolar is no fun.

FYI - if SWIMY is planning to take lamotrigine to get high (I can't imagine why - get ready for a big disappointment or sickness) then please research Stevens-Johnson syndrome - it is a rash associated with lamotrigine that is extremely serious - death is not fun.