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Old 12-10-2010, 19:11
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Test Kits and Purity

He used the complete adulterant screening kit from dancesafe on some recently acquired "molly" powder

The rest results were positive using all 3 tests for MDMA


135mg was weighed out and consumed orally, this did literally nothing for him.


Do these test kits only show if there is a presence of MDMA?


Is it possible for someone to cut molly powder so its for example: 25% molly and 75% (some type of filler powder)


He fills ripped off. He said the powder was a light brown color and tasted bitter.


Any information would be appreciated.
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Old 12-10-2010, 19:13
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

What were the three test reagents and what color change(s) were observed? We can't advise SWIM on what the tests can and cannot detect without knowing which ones they used.
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

Used Mecke, Marquis, and Simon's Reagents.

Mecke - Turned black in under 10 seconds

Simons 1 - Turned light green then was dark blue in about 15 seconds

Simons 2 - Didn't change the color from Simon 1

Marquis - Turned black in under 10 seconds
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Old 12-10-2010, 19:39
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

Those results certainly seem to be consistent with a positive test for MDMA or MDEA, and there are no contradictory results that suggests the presence of other active adulterants. Either it's a very clever cut that mimics the structural properties of MDMA in a field test or there is some active compound present.

As SWIY said, it could be that the substance was cut to hell with something inactive or even piperazines. These field tests are not particularly good for identifying cuts. They are primarily designed for testing presence/absence of certain active compounds, so it'd be very difficult to quantify how much MDMA or MDEA might be present with this kind of setup.

If SWIY has sufficient curiosity and disposable income, then submitting a sample to a testing lab should clarify exactly what was in this substance (active or otherwise) and provide an approximate indication of purity.
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Old 12-10-2010, 19:53
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

That helped a lot Phenoxcide.

He has about 650mg of the same powder left. Considering 135mg did nothing (and according to the chemical tests, does contain only MDMA or MDEA)

What would be the safest way to ingest the remainder of the powder in attempt to get an actual beneficial effect out of it? 400mg then maybe 90 minutes later take the rest if he isn't feeling much?
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Old 13-10-2010, 12:18
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

It happens sometimes that MDMA is only used in small quantities to make a test positive, it already arrived with piperazine pills where MDMA was found as only a trace. This doesn't mean that the swiy's product is piperazine but can be linked to the fact that there is another chemical involved.
Anyway many chemicals can taste bitter so this can't be an indication.
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Old 13-10-2010, 14:48
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

He took 400mg of the same powder last night and had to a clean roll. Here is his log:

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10:17pm - 400mg consumed on a moderately full stomach. (135mg was consumed the previous day but received no effects from it)

10:53pm - feeling of elation arising in the shoulders and head.

11:04pm - playing halo reach campaign - feeling strong elated sensation mainly in my arms, chest, and head. Looking at computer screen seems a bit more difficult to type. Pupils are HUGE. Slight jaw clenching.

11:11pm - took a much needed diarrhea, 5th one of the day. Had some foreign foods the day before so I'm not saying this has anything to do with the molly. Turned off halo reach even though it was fun, preferred to socialize via internet (currently do not have xbox live)

11:26pm - feeling 100% positive about everything

11:30pm - editing a picture in photoshop, usually I can make changes very quickly. I have to close one eye to focus my vision.

11:52pm - feeling VERY positive, wish I was on a dance floor at a progressive house music venue. Continuing to sip water, barely any jaw clenching at this point. Prepped my 5-HTP, calcium/magnesium and multi-vitamin for the come-down.

12:53am - Slowly starting to come down from the peak (which lasted about 90-120 minutes) Still feeling great. No more issues focusing on text.

2:15am - took small dose of valium (4mg) to calm the come-down.

2:47am - about back to base line. Didn't sweat at all, consumed about 5 bottles of water throughout the last 4 hours. Popping 10mg of ambien to ensure I fall asleep faster. Despite not being hungry I'm eating a banana and 100 calorie strawberry yogurt to fuel the body. I keep yawning so I think I'll attempt sleep in a moment. No negative come-down effects as of now. Will mention if I had any difficulties falling asleep, or if I have any type of hangover in the morning.

9:24am - just woke up, feel 100% normal, eating breakfast now and will go about by day as if last night was any other.

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Old 13-10-2010, 19:25
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

Mr Hamster would agree with Phenoxide and Dr. Satan, that one may not know what adulterants are contained in a sample. If one can get a sample to a lab they can use GC/MC analysis to better determine what the contents are.

As for what SWIY's monkey has, is anyone's guess. Just upping the dosage could be dangerous and even lethal, especially if the cuts are applied in such a manner to read positive on the tests, and happen to be active.

A dose of 400mg is a rather large dosage. This is a good place to start for using volumetric dosing, and recommended dosage based on body mass:

Dose - Pure mdma dosage question

SWIY's monkey would be best to have a tested sample if possible because there could be active adulterants contained in the same which might produce some undesirable results.

Be informed, be well...

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Old 13-10-2010, 19:33
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

I know 400mg seems large, but considering 135mg did nothing at all. It seemed appropriate. The powder had to have been cut down to about 25% MDMA based on what he experienced. He had a clean roll with negative effects and didn't feel uncomfortable at any point. He weight 135 lbs. of lean functional muscle. He seems to think the 400mg powder had 25% mdma.
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Old 13-10-2010, 19:50
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

Please remember to SWIM....

That being said, the additives could also be active or inactive. All Phenoxide and Dr. Satan, and Wanderer were trying to say if that SWIY should be sure what one is ingesting.

Very glad it worked out for SWIY's marmoset this time, but there could have been other nasty active chemicals added to his treats.

Mr. Hamster just tries to be on the safe side...

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Old 13-10-2010, 20:00
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

Specifically what type of nasty chemicals could show up that could be potentially harmful in this type of powder? After the test kit showed presence of only MDMA?
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Re: Test Kits and Purity

Phenoxide is probably better qualified that SWIM is to answer this, but could be may different types of piperazines, or other RC's. The test kit showed positive for MDMA, but there could be many things it didn't show up. Some are dangerous in the low-milligram range.

Unscrupulous people will try to make one thing mimic another for a buck, it's sad. Repeat customers are what businesses typically strive for.

Best to check it out and be informed from a regular testing lab.

Be well...

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