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I am sure that if the shop is selling such paraphernalia, you merely need to describe what you are looking for.
Different places and/or people have different slangs they use for such things, so using a specific name which the shop keeper is unfamiliar with might only increase confusion rather than aid clarity.
While that is true in most cases, sometimes stores will flat out ban you for using improper terminology or hinting toward drug use when it comes to meth stuff. In my area, Daisy says places get shutdown frequently for it so they just want to protect there business.
SWIM has only heard legends of these and never actually seen one. He is unsure how it would work since the meth smoke would be absorbed by the water. Can someone explain this/elaborate with an experience?
in swim's place, these water bongs are used to filter the smoke. he claimed that without using water he is getting powders of unknown substances on his tongue while smoking and these stuffs really taste bad.
in addition, he compared smoking without the water filter and smoking with water filter. he said, using water filter the meth crash is better and you're getting most of the effect due to less unknown chemical getting into your body.
p/s dont drink the water. most of the substance dissolved are not meth.
SWIM has used every method to use meth and has used all different types/sizes of meth bongs. Many people think that this wouldn't work because meth is soulable in water but what many don't understand is that the crystals themselves are soulable, not the vapor being intaken when smoking. Using a water bong is some peoples preferred method because the hits are not as harsh on the lungs and the smoke exhaledis actaully almost twice as much.
Also the water is, from what SWIM has experienced and been told, is fine to drink because one should be cutting their bowls before they start to smoke anyways. So the substances not wanted are gone before the bowls smoking commence.
SWIM has come across a lot of forums/threads debating the question : Is there such thing as a meth bong ? and Does it actually work ?
TRUTH : There is such thing as a meth bong. They do not look like a bong being used for cannabis, but they are all glass (same as a meth pipe) and have a bubble/bent peice for the bowl. They come in all different sizes but are not common to come across in a shop. In SWIM's area, their street name is "Warbler" and their retail name is "Oil Lamp/lantern". Some people make-shift their own using a glass bottle (Tarantula tequila bottle is what SWIM has seen, some even using alcohol/gatorade/ect. instead of water for taste difference) and putting a hole in the front toword the bottom where the bubble or bent is put.
Now most people don't believe this water bong is possible since meth is water soluable. SWIM does not know the scientifically correct answer to why, but YES it does work. The hits are less harsh on the lungs and the smoke intake is greatly larger. (Almost how a cannabis pipe and bong compare) SWIM has experienced intaking meth in most every way and knows for a fact it does work.
SWIM's best answer/guess for the reason that meth is able to filter through water and still contain the chemical compound to get one high is because when smoking, it's not the crystal exactly thats giving the high, but the vapor that is being released when rolling the puddle above the flame. There must be something about the different forms of the meth that make it react differntly to differnt things. But again I am speaking on this point from personal opinion/experiece.
So don't be afraid to try smoking a bowl with a meth bong. Its not gonna waste it, just remember NOT TO BURN IT !
When smoking a bowl in a bubble (pipe), SWIY has to puddle down the crystal and then with the right technique, turn the bubble at a steady pace while using a 10-2 rotation to have the smoke distribute and not burn. (Yes we all knew this already)
When smoking a bowl in a warbler (bong), SWIY still has to puddle down the crystal but the problem is that since the bowl peice is connected to a bong its more complicated to turn it. The way to do it is by moving the whole bong in a back and forth, almost small circular motion. There's no exact way to turn it but dont over do it so the bowl splatters to all sides, the whole point is to make sure that it does not burn. So try practising or smoking with others to observe when trying to use a bong for the first time.
SWIM hopes everyone experiments with this and succeeds !
SWIY will be more than pleased with the results.
Great article that helps inform those unfamiliar with meth bongs mate.
SWIM would just like to point out that not all bongs are required to be glass. In fact, SWIM regularly constructs makeshift bongs out of plastic bottles or even metal cans. One does not need to be restricted to plastic.
Also, regarding the difficulty in rotating the glass pipe using a bong, perhaps SWIY would like to check out SWIM's "The Best Smoking Method + The Art of Smoking" thread as SWIM details a highly effective method of smoking using a makeshift bong with glass stem.
Ya basically the important part is that curved bowl. One can just get one of those and take any ol weed bong, take the rubber washer off the weed bowl and put it on the stem of the bent speed bowl, and stick the speed bowl right in that downstem. That's how swim's friends and swim used to make awesome speed bongs out of the really cheap plastic weed bongs. Now, at least around here, that is unnecessary, they sell little speed bongs in corner stores with carpholes so one doesn't have to mess with the bowl as much.
Something that is important but wasn't mentioned above is that indeed methamphetamine HCl is water soluble. Because of this one using a speed bong wants minimal distance from the end of the stem (in the water) to the top of the water. Basically once the speed is vaporized and makes the phase change into a gas it will pass through the water because it needs to return to a liquid/solid to dissolve. When it passes through the water whatever is cooled fast enough to change back from a gas will dissolve in the water, just like the vaporized speed in a normal pipe that cools against the edge of the pipe solidifies and becomes "resin" One can drink the bongwater, it will taste very bitter, and this will constitute oral administration of the speed that did dissolve. Also if a very low amount of water was used in the bong it can be dumped onto a glass plate and evaporated (or boiled for quicker but smaller results) and the speed that dissolved in the water will recrystallize on the plate once all the water is gone.
So the more distance between the end of the stem and the top of the water, the more of the gas will dissolve in the water rather then come out. Swim recommends adding ice to the bongwater, it makes it more pleasant and cold temperatures tend to decrease solubility of solvents. Swim doesn't know if speeds solubility in water can really be decreased with some ice any amount that matters since speed is REALLY soluble in water, but if everclear that had been stored in the freezer was used as bongwater instead swim imagines a lot less would dissolve. It's a relatively negligible amount that dissolves, but it is an amount so keep in mind that a sack will not last as long in a bong. Pretty much anything one uses as bong water will dissolve some of the speed, it dissolves in water and alcohols. The fluids that it don't dissolve in are nonpolar solvents but using those as bongwater is a bad idea unless swiy wants a major inhalant high as well.
Swim also wants to point out that an alternative to bongs are waterdogs which are kinda squiggly stemmed pipes where a little bit of water is placed in the bottom facing bends and kinda acts like a pee trap in a toilet. I'll try and post a picture of a waterdog sometime so the Mapp gas inclined can make their own since I know regains outside the southwest don't tend to have the variety and quantity of speed smoking devices in stores.
One last note is that speed pipes are basically vaporizers. Any drug that is smoked by vaporizing as opposed to direct flame, like heroin, can be smoked in one of these.
Edit: oh and lol at people who think that meth bongs are a myth. That's almost as bad as when someone tried to claim black tar heroin was a myth on dnb forums and swim just had happened to have gotten some recently and felt inclined to post photo proof of the fact that it's most def not a myth. ..
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Are you asking if swius have used the "oil pipes" the way they are legally meant to be used or if we have used like canola oil instead of bongwater.
Swims answers are yes to the first and no to the second. Swim imagines using oil instead of bongwater would be a horrible mess. Swim doesn't plan on trying it but if swianyone does please post da results.
I don't see why. If one used vegetable oils then there would be a need to replace and clean it frequently because they'll get rancid which would making procuring any useful product unlikely but what about mineral oil and keeping it frozen?
And no...no...I have no clue what I'm talking about really. It's probably as absurd as it sounds but I can't help but wonder if there's something to the idea. =P
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Yes, in fact I believe there is!
Methamphetamines begin to degrade faster when dissolved in water. This is why bong water is so soured.
If the leftover methamphetamine/h2o solution is frozen and quickly removed and poured into a coffee filter/jar setup and placed back into the freezer, then the icey ice (HA!) can be broken up and put into the bowl before they melt if you're clever.
Euthanatos93420 added 87 Minutes and 8 Seconds later...
Since light affects the decomp too A black glass bong would probably be ideal...
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my friend and I always used a cheap plastic weed bong with a oil pipe bowl. We toted it around in a backpack kind of thing so we'd fill it with gatorade each time and drink the results when done before putting it back in the sack.
First Swiy Must buy a regular water bong for smoking "(tabacco)" out of preferably one that is of the Zong product line. nothing major just a 6 to 8 inch glass bong. Then ask for the oil burner "elbow Peice" it will slide right into were the the one for tobbacco went " once created and Swiy can use it with perfection it is known as the "Dream Weaver"
Swim sees no need for a meth bong unless the quality of meth is so incredibly poor that swiy sees the need to attempt to filter the smoke. A bong will also trap a small amount of the meth within the water, maybe not a huge amount, but it adds up. At least with a meth pipe swiy can scrape it for the resin then re-smoke that. Also since meth smokes more as it cools unlike most things that smoke as they burn or heat timing a bong hit would be tricky.
If one is going to use a "meth-bong" one should use warmer water, although cold water feels more pleasant on the lungs, warmer water will help the meth smoke to diffuse through more efficiently.
You could ask for a 'glass water pipe'. The bowl thing you referred to is called a ball pipe, perhaps you could try asking for a ball pipe, and 'something to use with it, maybe with water filtration.' Or just describe it and maybe pretend you're going to try vaporizing grass or something.
For quite some time, swim have seen opinions on meth bongs and most of them state that it is a rather useless and stupid method because everybody knows that meth is soluble in water.
Swim agreed on the fact on solubility but swim personally thinks that the purpose of meth bongs are not to filter the meth but to filter the OTHER stuff that is soluble in water too.
e.g Swim experienced that the water from the bong will release the smell of ammonia after smoking. And also have anyone ever tasted some kind of powder sticking to the tongue while using direct smoking method? Swim said that these stuffs are also filtered by the water.
Swim found that this is one of the best way of administration because the comedown is less painful and he/she said that irritating meth crash comes from foreign smoked chemicals/ in great proportion than the meth itself.
Remember, the higher you go, the greater you fall. Let the body and mind control it, dont let it controls you.
My Little Pony told me that both today and yesterday he used a meth bong. The hits he got were stupendous, great billowing clouds with little effort. The effects were felt quickly with better than average intensity, although not a tremendous increase over the pipe and about the same duration.
He can't provide any scientific evidence (pseudo or real) but enjoyed it, especially due to the fact that the owner used some type of fruit juice or juicy type drink in it, tasted great. And though he's heard of it being done, didn't taste the liquid. It seemed like it would be too much like drinking bongwash. (yes, he does know that it is technically 'bongwash' but he was talking about a weed bong there)
Johnny the Nile Monitor has been smoking meth for the last 7 or 8 years and he noticed that when using just the glass dick paranoia sets in and many hours are wasted staring out the window looking for the boogieman or L.E.O. But, when he uses his "boing" (term from his ex) there are no side effects like that.
Of course if you happen upon some real bad shit then your screwed. Johnny the Nile Monitor remembers when he got a hold of some that when smoked it turned the water greenish-blue and it smelled like 2-stroke motor oil used in dirt bikes & small boat motors. He became very nauseous and weak feeling that way for the next couple of days. He swears that if he ever see's that person who supplied him with that poison that he will "Rip their f'n head off & piss down their neck". He seems to be very adamant about this with flaring nostrils and clenching claws, tail snapping about.
You really, really don't want to piss off a full grown Nile Monitor...