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Old 29-09-2010, 04:48
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can you die from smoking heroin?

like can it cause instant death from overdosing or smoking a bad batch or can that only happen from injecting it or snorting it and is it true that heroin causes serious damage to your heart and other important body parts after being addicted to it for only a few years ??
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Old 29-09-2010, 05:05
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

i imagine someone can die from overdose no matter what method they used. people die from overdose from smoking opium so id say yes, with heroin being a much more potent opiate.
heroin has very little affect on organs as far as the actual drug. overdose can cause respatory depression witch could lead to cardiac arrest. other than that i dont think so? anyone?
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Old 29-09-2010, 05:46
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

Just heard something about this on TV the other day...the expert guy said it is very rare to die from smoking compared to other ROAs. Still possible, but not as common.
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Old 29-09-2010, 19:40
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

In reality, it is effectively impossible to overdose from smoking heroin unless you have someone there to keep administering the drug after you yourself have nodded off/passed out etc.

It's exactly the same as laughing gas. It is possible to kill yourself by inhaling too much of that. However, even at hospital, doctors will leave you with your own canister of gas and face mask, and let you use the substance unsupervised as much as you please.
This is simply because, far before there is any risk of death, the individual will simply not be able to hold the mask to their face.

So, in answer to the OP's question - it IS technically possible to overdose from smoking heroin, however, in reality, it is near enough impossible, even for those with no tolerance to opiates.


In reference to the other question about heroin causing serious damage to the heart and other parts of the body, swim can say he has never heard of anyone mention this, apart from an addict at a clinic a few years ago, who was convinced that the cut in heroin would deposit itself in various organs in the body, and subsequently cause cancer.

Needless to say that man was a nutter.

Heroin is an extremely non-toxic substance, - it's very easy on the body, and, despite being extremely addictive, is really quite harmless.

The main health problems associated with heroin are as a result of it's illegality, and the subsequent lifestyle that forces the user to live.

The main health concerns with heroin are:

- Acute overdose (From injecting too much)
- Blood borne diseases, HIV and Hepatitis (From sharing injecting equipment)
- Severe and rapid addiction
- Vein damage and collapse, leading to circulation problems (From chronic injecting)
- Infection of wounds/abscesses (caused by unsterile injection practice)
- Damage to and possible amputation of limbs (caused by untreated infections or injections directly into major arteries)
- Chronic constipation (opiates suppress bowel movement)
- Poor hygiene resulting in tooth problems etc.

- Continual lack of money resulting in:
- Poor diet resulting in malnutrition and associated problems.
- Generally chaotic lifestyle, often with other drug addicts, poly drug use, generally not taking care of oneself.

And that's pretty much it. As you can see, the majority of problems are a direct result of the chaotic lifestyle of the user. All of these problems can be avoided, with the exception of addiction, constipation and some vein damage, by the user simply using clean, new syringes for every injection, never sharing ANY equipment, engaging in proper injecting technique, and seeking medical help at the first signs of any problem.

Alternatively, all of these problems can be avoided by not using heroin.
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Old 29-09-2010, 20:18
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

as SWIMickey points out, many of the problems relating to heroin and health come from either the chaotic lifestyle of users or the ingredients used to cut the gear with.
It is bacterial and viral infections that need to be worried about when IV'ing, and the potential for particles to lodge in capillaries or organs/valves and cause future health problems. One thing that is definitely linked to smoking heroin is leukoencephalopathy, which is caused by adulterants not the heroin or the foil itself - and it is pretty rare as far as catty knows.
Overall, smoking is a much safer ROA than IV'ing...and as SWIMickey says, not using at all is even safer still

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Old 29-09-2010, 21:04
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

It seems to me that if used in combination with benzos/alcohol, smoking heroin could still cause an OD due to it's depressant effects on the CNS.
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Old 29-09-2010, 21:21
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

As mentioned, people generally become incapable of smoking any more heroin long before respiratory depression sufficient to cause death. I suppose it would be possible for someone who has little or no tolerance to smoke an exceptionally large amount in one go (maybe from a pipe or vaporiser) and be at risk of overdose, that's why it is safer and more efficient (less wasted drug due to heat damage) to run it on tin foil line by line.

The main danger from smoking too much heroin sufficient to make someone "nod out" and effectively incapacitated is falling in to a deep sleep and choking on their own vomit, this is made even more of a possibility because of the fact that opiates make people nauseated, especially people with little or no tolerance.

I know someone that died from smoking heroin, supposedly, the persons brother was an addict and he smoked some of his heroin with him and apparently had a severe reaction due to asthma and later died. Personally i am not convinced that is what really happened, i knew the brother too and he was an IV user and i suspect he injected his little brother and he overdosed, i think they used the asthma story to cover up the brothers deadly error in judgement. That is pure speculation though and i suppose it's conceivable that he did in fact die due to a reaction related to asthma (i was not aware he had asthma before that and if he did it wasn't serious, played football with him many times).

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Old 30-09-2010, 12:53
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

Swim too has heard of people dieing from an extreme asthmatic reaction after smoking gear, however, from all he's read, this is exceptionally rare - by the sounds of things, almost as rare as the much-hyped leukoencephalopathy*(good point catseye)
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Old 01-10-2010, 00:11
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

I feel again the need to remind everyone's pets that there is a very effective ROA called "anal absorption". It is not a fetish, okay?

In terms of absorption percentage, it is the closest to IV, and without some health risks that follow that route.

Please tell your laboratory pet to refrain from using IV, the possibility of things spiraling out of control faster and more chaotic are bigger. Not that other ROA are 100% safe, but at least they are relatively safer.

Also, make sure that you have read extensively the experiences on this forum, and especially in the addiction and recovery sub forums. If your pet wants to enter that lifestyle, you must be 100% informed on what awaits your pet.
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Old 01-10-2010, 06:07
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

swims pet does not want that lifestyle he already knows about it heard about it seen it in films he only wants to smoke it a few times swims pet dog is not planning on becoming a junkie
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

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swims pet does not want that lifestyle he already knows about it heard about it seen it in films he only wants to smoke it a few times swims pet dog is not planning on becoming a junkie
and a year later you will have 118 posts instead of 18, and you will be posting from a library....
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

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Swim too has heard of people dieing from an extreme asthmatic reaction after smoking gear, however, from all he's read, this is exceptionally rare - by the sounds of things, almost as rare as the much-hyped leukoencephalopathy*(good point catseye)
Leukoencephalopathy, is that the thing that supposedly happens from using tin foil?
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

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swims pet does not want that lifestyle he already knows about it heard about it seen it in films he only wants to smoke it a few times swims pet dog is not planning on becoming a junkie
The famous last words of many addicts. Gawd I hate that word junkie.
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Old 07-10-2010, 18:09
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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

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Leukoencephalopathy, is that the thing that supposedly happens from using tin foil?
It's generally thought to happen because of smoking heroin, yes - but not necessarily because of the foil. There have been ongoing reports of it but the experts don't really seem to know why it happens or how prevalent it is.

This article gives a brief overview (you have to pay to read the whole thing), indicating that they don't know what causes it, they can't recreate it in rats, and that incidents of heroin leukoencephalopathy were first recorded in 1982 (though smoking heroin first became popular in the 1950s they say)

They also state that it is only found in users who chase the dragon/smoke it.

However that conflicts with this other article I found, which describes the case of a 38 year old IV user who was diagnosed with it. He almost always IV'd, but had snorted H about '5 times' - but never smoked it (he is from the US and must have had H4). So apparently some doctors are diagnosing it in users who did not smoke, which confuses the issue a little. He also shared his H with his wife who did not get the condition.

Note that both articles talk in terms of the disease being caused by pollutants in the street heroin, rather than by the foil itself (obviously in the second case as he never smoked)

It's not a thing that my towel worries about particularly. There's certainly no epidemic of it - if there was, the UK would be in trouble as nearly all UK heroin is the smokable kind and non-IV users therefore always smoke, never snort.

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swims pet does not want that lifestyle he already knows about it heard about it seen it in films he only wants to smoke it a few times swims pet dog is not planning on becoming a junkie
As others have said above, more or less everyone who starts to use H says "I am not going to become a junkie, I don't want that." This includes all the users who do then in fact become junkies.

If one is going to dance with this devious Delilah, one must take supreme care and think hard about a strict and workable plan to stay safe. If SWIY uses too often SWIY will start to get withdrawal symptoms when he stops. He will also increase his tolerance, requiring the spending of more and more money to get the same effects, or even just to prevent WDs. These two factors combine exponentially to make H go rapidly from 'reasonably priced occasional fun' to 'ruinously expensive daily habit that turns one into a fiend'.

He needs to plan his usage so these thinks can't happen, with lots of multi-day or week long breaks and with usage over multiple consecutive days kept to a minimum.

Then, if he still gets WDs despite his usage plan, he needs to accept them and take them, and not use again to prevent them! And then after going through WDs, if he ever wants to use again he has to review his plan and see where he messed up and ensure he doesn't get them again. But if he does, he must again accept them.. etc.

When one is chipping, the WDs that result will never be that bad. SWIY has had colds/flu etc before, and can survive it - and the same is true of WDs. It's only when you keep taking more to prevent them, and then continue that for months and years, that the WDs become truly horrendous (which by then is a vicious circle keeping you using even longer)

Just those basic points is what turns many a person who "would never become a junkie" into a junkie.

My towel chipped for 4 months, then messed it up and became a daily smoker for 4 months at the end of last year. Then he stopped H for 9 months, using buprenorphine (subutex) for a while before eventually tapering off that too. So his first attempt at chipping really wasn't very good.

He is now chipping again, only taking confidence in the fact that he showed several times he could and would take WDs and stay clean when necessary - and that he now knows how to use buprenorphine to taper off quickly while minimising WDs. So he feels some confidence in making a new chipping plan - though the emphasis is still very much on not even allowing dependance and tolerance to increase and therefore not getting any WDs in the first place. He will have a much stricter usage plan which is very carefully defined/structured compared to the first time he started chipping. And he's helping enforce it by keeping his H contacts 200 miles away.

He knows how easy it is to mess up and still can't say that he won't again this second chip attempt. If that does happen, he is committed to detoxing quickly with buprenorphine and then stop H chipping forever.

These too are, of course, words that many previous users have made and then still descended into despair. So my towel can't claim he has a solution and cannot advise anyone else except by suggesting that not starting at all is the one option where you're guaranteed not to get hurt.

"The game is rigged; but you cannot lose if you do not play."

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Re: can you die from smoking heroin?

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swims pet does not want that lifestyle he already knows about it heard about it seen it in films he only wants to smoke it a few times swims pet dog is not planning on becoming a junkie
Best of luck with that, but really, if swiy doesn't want to become a junkie, then don't try heroin. It's that simple. No one planned on becoming an addict, but the vast majority of people with consistent access to heroin do become addicts.

If swiy's in control, then never buy heroin again. The high isn't that amazing, E's will give you way more of a buzz/rush.

Take care, and stay away from the brown stuff........it's impossible to enjoy heroin indefinetly without falling victim to addiction.

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