Is there such thing as an OTC high?

[Nahbus]

what states?

[sands of time]

Codeine is controlled by the federal government, and all states abide by federal regulations regarding scheduled substances. There can't be any states that would allow codeine to be sold OTC, that would make no sense.

[Hellian]

We are lucky here in OZ, Well sort of.

We have an OTC pain killer called “Nurofen Plus” which is codien phos. and Ibprofen. Because they apparently don’t mix you can split then down the middle lengthways and the side that has N+ on it has only the 12.5mg of codien and a bit of filler. So dropping 12-24 of these will give you a great afternoon of pharmaceutical grade fun!!

Plus “Robotussin DX” Is just straight DXM with a bit of sugar and sucrose.

[Nahbus]

rats! I knew it was too good to be true.

[kemistudent]

But the question is not wether it is allowed to be sold, but is tylenol 1 illegal to possess, and with that being said, the "personal use" clause in importation of prescription drugs may apply.

HOWEVER, after looking into pricing, I would not be willing to pay 40 bucks for a bottle of 200 tylenol 1's if I had the worse headache on earth! Thats overkill and the cheapest I found after doing a Froogle search.

There is a cold water extraction process that can be done. I did it when I first got into chemistry and ended up with a sticky ball of something that I was reluctant to take. A friend of mine was less reluctant and had a blast with it, making me a bit pissed I didn't have bigger balls at the time. Never tried it again, but this was quite a few years ago.

I know you can isolate ergotamine tartrate from Caffergot with the correct chemicals, but ET and Caffiene are they only actives in those pills. With tylenol 1 you will have to isolate 3 different actives.

[Richard_smoker]

Actually this IS a gray area. There are behind-the-counter preparations that are legal in almost every state. I've done a bit of research on this one, but i feel like a dog chaising his tail.

apparently with the correct formulation (tylenol and caffeine and hardly any codeine) it is legal for pharmacists to dispense in the US behind the counter.

I guess I quit trying to find out more when I called around and discovered that the pharmacies won't carry codeine behind the counter. too much bullshit and paperwork I guess.

I know this sounds crazy but it's TRUE. unless they've passed some kind of new law in the last 2-3 years, this is absolutely true.

[napoleon in rags]

In the states, the only good OTC high is Alcohol and Caffiene IMHO. I'm not a big fan of DXM, i think it feels "dirty". Dramamine/Benadryl are even worse, and simply turn you into a psychotic schitzo for the rest of the night after the intital 1 hour body high.

ALCOHOL FTW

[BeetleJuice]

Hey ther,
Im in aus an you can get these tabs aspalgin which have 100 8c/300asprin tabs for like 11au easiay OTC.There good fun with the cwe at 200-300mg.

I personally dont like dxm, tried it twice for a mushi type experiance but it was weird n bollox n i don wanna become braindead on dxm from what iv read.

peace

[Aaron]

Aspalgin contains Codeine, so they would not be OTC in many places.

DXM and Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) are the two that sping to mind when I think of an OTC high.

DXM is fun in the right setting, but SWIM doesn't like using it around other people, makes him feel too dumb to have to interact with people on it. He finds it enjoyable alone listening to music in a dark room though.

Diphenhydramine is something else altogether. The side effects combined with delirious delusions that seem like reality make it out of the question for a recreational activity (in my opinion). SWIM has used this once on a very low dose. It made him feel damn tired, and slightly paranoid at every sound. After 3 hours, he just wanted to sleep, but every loud sound scared the hell out him (still not sure if they were real). SWIM is going to revisit this drug soon, but not for recreational purposes, more out of curiosity.

I guess I should throw in N2O as well...though I have never tried it.

Anyways, be safe. OTC medications are not made to get high off of, and are much more dangerous than some people think.

[M3th]

The only over the counter drug that is worth the trouble that i can think of is DXM.

As stated above..

Tussin Max Strength. Works like a charm. Also the Robitussin Gels.

[Richard_smoker]

POSSIBLY THE BEST DXM TAB ON THE US MARKET. (?)

OK... just found out something on erowid. I don't know if this is common knowledge or not. doesn't appear to be well-known since everyone's touting Robitussin and other nasty-ass syrups. There *IS* an OTC pill that SUPPOSEDLY contains NOTHING but 30mg DXM. It is available, and it is very easy to find. Why am I telling you people this? Because it's legal. There's no law against it.... the only reason that DXM-containing products are so inherently shitty and contain so much other bullshit like pseudofed, guafenesin, sorbital, etc, is because THE OTC DRUG COMPANIES ARE POLICING THEMSELVES!!!

They don't want DXM to be banned because it is the ONLY good anti-cough med on the plant that isn't a controlled narcotic. So, their solution has been to add bullshit other crap to keep people from taking too much DXM. Only problem with this concept (other than innocent people getting hurt or killed), is that some of us are VERY sensitive or even allergic to crappy fillers, sorbitol, pseudo, etc. Here is the info taken straight off Erowid:

DexAlone
by DexAlone
Active Ingredients (per gelcap):

• DXM Hydrobromide (30mg)

Notes: Manufactured by DexGen
this information was taken from here. it's #28 on the list.

I'm NOT discussing suppliers but if you're smart, then you'll check out the link I stuck inside that quote and stumble around from there.

*NOTE* I have NOT experienced this medicine! I repeat I HAVE NOT taken this medicine. However, SWIM is "considering" the use of this product for some self-funded addiction-interruption trials. why? because it only contains 1 active ingredient: DXM! It even comes in boxes of 30!! and afaik, no one cares how many you buy. It's very reasonably priced as well. If ANYONE thinks that i'm violating the rules, just tell me and away this post will be: "swimmin with the fishes."*

*original quote from an angry Nagnagog2

[RealGanjaMan]

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

POSSIBLY THE BEST DXM TAB ON THE US MARKET. (?)

OK... just found out something on erowid. I don't know if this is common knowledge or not. doesn't appear to be well-known since everyone's touting Robitussin and other nasty-ass syrups. There *IS* an OTC pill that SUPPOSEDLY contains NOTHING but 30mg DXM. It is available, and it is very easy to find. Why am I telling you people this? Because it's legal. There's no law against it.... the only reason that DXM-containing products are so inherently shitty and contain so much other bullshit like pseudofed, guafenesin, sorbital, etc, is because THE OTC DRUG COMPANIES ARE POLICING THEMSELVES!!!

They don't want DXM to be banned because it is the ONLY good anti-cough med on the plant that isn't a controlled narcotic. So, their solution has been to add bullshit other crap to keep people from taking too much DXM. Only problem with this concept (other than innocent people getting hurt or killed), is that some of us are VERY sensitive or even allergic to crappy fillers, sorbitol, pseudo, etc. Here is the info taken straight off Erowid:
I'm NOT discussing suppliers but if you're smart, then you'll check out the link I stuck inside that quote and stumble around from there.

*NOTE* I have NOT experienced this medicine! I repeat I HAVE NOT taken this medicine. However, SWIM is "considering" the use of this product for some self-funded addiction-interruption trials. why? because it only contains 1 active ingredient: DXM! It even comes in boxes of 30!! and afaik, no one cares how many you buy. It's very reasonably priced as well. If ANYONE thinks that i'm violating the rules, just tell me and away this post will be: "swimmin with the fishes."*

*original quote from an angry Nagnagog2

But what are the inactive ingrediants?
Erowid does not list the inactive ingredients. Also, there are plenty of other cough syrup/pills with only DXM as the active ingredient. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you?

-RGM

[RealGanjaMan]

UPDATE

Richard, I did a little searching and found the inactive ingredients in DexAlone:
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Inactive ingredients
Polyethylene Glycol, Gelatin, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Kollidon, Propylene Glycol, FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue #1.
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Isn't Sorbitol the stuff you were warning sandsoftime about?

-RGM

[P.S. Mods - I hope this double post is not too much trouble. I would've edited in to the post above, but I don't have access to the edit button yet.]

[M3th]

Yea, Dexalone.

30mg a pill. DXM ONLY. They work pretty good.

[boredINbuffalo]

Originally Posted by M3th

Yea, Dexalone.

30mg a pill. DXM ONLY. They work pretty good.

The problem is, they're much larger than the other options. Makes it hard for some people to swallow.

The small pill in the picture is a Robotussin CoughGel, 15mg
The larger pill is a Dexalone gelcap, 30mg
They're sitting inside a beer bottle cap, for size reference.

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Nice pic to prove a point.

[dnb warrior]

if your looking for an OTC high you could try some of the piperazine blend/"herbal" pills sold at your local bong shop.(in the UK anyway)

they are not really substitutes for xtc/mushrooms/speed like they might say on the packet, but don't knock them until you've tried them and if they are legal where you live then they are probably worth the
[Prices are not allowed]
a pill, the ones i have tried are "purple ohms" maybe not the "shroom like experience" they are marketed as but definately worth trying if you want something that's legal.

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prices

[upthebracket]

aww man, i feel for you americans, over here you can get 12.5 mg of codeine to every 500mg of paracetemol (Acetaminophen) and no caffeine

and if you want to go for prescription pills here, you can get like 30mg of codeine for 500 paracetemol just for a little bit of back pain

SWIM can't imagine living without OTC codeine

and also, why all the negatives about benadryl? the UK equivalent (nytol) is exactly the same, and SWIM has had shitloads of fun with it, it's like like being drunk but in pill form, but much more exciting, gorgeous stuff (so he tells me)

[StigmataLectron]

Originally Posted by upthebracket

and also, why all the negatives about benadryl? the UK equivalent (nytol) is exactly the same, and SWIM has had shitloads of fun with it, it's like like being drunk but in pill form, but much more exciting, gorgeous stuff (so he tells me)

Everyone just says it's a shitty experience. Are you talking about the same benadryl (diphenhydramine HCl) as I'm thinking? SWIM was just waiting for someone to say something positive about the experience.

[Richard_smoker]

Originally Posted by upthebracket

aww man, i feel for you americans, over here you can get 12.5 mg of codeine to every 500mg of paracetemol (Acetaminophen) and no caffeine

FUCK THAT!!!

I HOPE YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD LIVER TRANSPLANT TEAM IN YOUR NECK OF THE UK!

Seriously, QUIT TAKING THAT SHIT!
you will most certainly get liver failure if you take more than 8-10 of those pills per day (and i don't mean EVERY day... i would say 10/day, 4-5 days a week MAX).

That's why that stuff is not OTC in the US. Now, if there was 60mg of codeine and 500 of acetominophen, then you might be ok. But 12.5 MILIGRAMS!? How in the hell does THAT work? Do you take 1-3 of them at a time? because i thought a decent dose of codeine was more like 100mg-200mg, not 12. But, if 12 works for you, then great. just remember that the 12mg codeine pills cause drug-induced kidney failure and the ones you're describing cause drug-induced liver failure.

"a liver is a shitty thing to waste" -me

[Richard_smoker]

Yeah, this is true--there IS sorbitol in them, so it just depends upon how many of them you're going to take.

I think they have put some sorbitol in there just to stay somewhat legitimate--given their name "DEXALONE". Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

I ordered some of them myself to help some friends with opiate addiction and they never had a problem. But then again, they weren't taking entire boxes full of the stuff.

Honestly, I dunno. You're right about the inactives and I didn't realize that about erowid leaving them out until I actually placed my eyeballs up against the label and read it for myself on the package.

Here's an idea: why dont' YOU find out how many it takes to make you shit your brains out...?

[bewilderment]

Dexalone is a good product, but it isn't available in many stores in the US or at least I have yet to encounter it. Swim ordered it once though and it worked quite well and although there was some of the loose bowel, there wasn't diarrhea. Swim would rather just get something from the store than pay S&H to order the dexalone which is only twice the amount of cough gels. Also, Zicam cough mist doesn't contain sorbitol, but contains these as inactive ingredients: Citric Acid, Fructose, Hydroxylated Lecithin, Menthol, Natural Flavors, Polyethylene Glycol, Polysorbate 60, Potassium Sorbate, Purified Water, Sucralose. The only active ingredient is dxm. The bottles are only .75 oz. worth of liquid to drink and swim finds drinking the entire thing (which is only a shot glass full) results in a 3rd plateau trip (or I've seen someone who most likely had a fourth plateau trip because she wasn't very experienced...at least she was incredibly out of it and began speaking in an accent because she believed she was having a conversation with a German woman from the holocaust). Taking just a couple swigs will be a lighter trip which would be more enjoyable for those just starting (If you drink the entire thing during your first trip then you probably won't remember it). Even if the inactive ingredients are harmful (are they?) then I would doubt that you would be enough to cause much problem although you will most likely throw up because the liquid's very concentrated so it's a lot of dxm to be absorbed at once. Oh, and I'm referring to the zicam nite version because that contains more dxm than the regular version which swim hasn't touched as of yet.

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Good job!! I had no idea this product was any good!

[Richard_smoker]

Originally Posted by bewilderment

Zicam cough mist doesn't contain sorbitol, but contains these as inactive ingredients: Citric Acid, Fructose, Hydroxylated Lecithin, Menthol, Natural Flavors, Polyethylene Glycol, Polysorbate 60, Potassium Sorbate, Purified Water, Sucralose. The only active ingredient is dxm. The bottles are only .75 oz. worth of liquid to drink and swim finds drinking the entire thing (which is only a shot glass full) results in a 3rd plateau trip. . . Taking just a couple swigs will be a lighter trip which would be more enjoyable for those just starting . . . I'm referring to the zicam nite version because that contains more dxm than the regular version which swim hasn't touched as of yet.

WOW! Very interesting information, Bewilderment!

I have seen this product, but didn't even realize what was in it.

Sounds like a good product--if you're willing to risk the effects of the DXM itself... almost sounds TOO good to be true actually! That is, because of its concentrated essence.

HOWEVER, sucralose and sorbitol are very similar. If this wasn't enough sucralose to make you crap your pants, then I'd have to say that it's probably not too much. Also, what's this about menthol?? Sounds nasty to me, just because i can't imagine swallowing it!

anyways, good info. -Dick

[boredINbuffalo]

SWIM has not taken any of his Dexalone, but he has taken the Robotussin CoughGels. He says they seem to sit slightly better than syrup, although he swears he can feel some of them breaking open before the others break open. He tried thinning the coat of the gelcaps by soaking them in water, unfortunately, they become VERY slick and actually swell up a bit when you do this.

SWIM thinks it may be the gelatin swelling that causes a portion of the stomach discomfort, and is exploring options to reduce the amount he ingests for the same dosage.

[bewilderment]

I've heard of people poking holes in the cough gels in order to make them active faster. However, swim finds this time consuming and messy not to mention the bitter taste of the liquid inside that leaks out.

[bewilderment]

Well, sucralose is listed as the last ingredient so one would assume that there isn't very much in there. Yeah, swim tells me that the menthol is NASTY. The taste of Zicam is absolutely vile so much that if one had to take a larger amount then swim would avoid it completely. The taste tends to linger in the mouth so I would advise anyone trying this product to have a chaser in hand to chase immediately. Even after that the taste is usually still there so it's good to have some hard candy or something similar to suck on until the taste goes away. Also, Zicam is a very strange product. The first time swim took Zicam, she had closed-eye visuals where she hadn't had those in months even if she was taking a higher dose of dxm than what was in the zicam bottle which she found quite strange. The second time she took zicam there were no effects for about 4 hours and she was very confused. Later, she walked outside to discover that her neighbors were having a party and a few people came inside her townhouse and shared some marijuana. After she took about three hits of marijuana she began to feel the effects of the zicam. She then walked over to another neighbor's house and she became more and more disoriented. She was standing up and probably swaying a bit. She wanted to go to the party the next house over, but her ever so wise partner knew this was not the best idea and advised that they go home so she reluctantly did so. She fell down on the lawn a couple of times and then fell on the front steps and kind of crawled up them. Needless to say, she probably made a very strange impression on the people she met that night but she didn't really care. The rest of the night was pretty pleasant once she settled down and could sit and do nothing. I have no idea why the effects were such that particular night and since then swim has had zicam without marijuana and the effects come as they should. Swim would advise anyone who has any mj around to take a few hits a little while after dosing. Also, swim thinks it very unwise to take the entire bottle during the first time trying this. If one doses and doesn't have any effects then for god's sake don't go out driving or something because it could take effect much later. Zicam can be a bit unpredictable.