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Deliriant antihistamines Diphenhydramine, cyclizine and other antihistamines.

 
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Old 28-09-2010, 09:04
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Taking 800 mgs of diphenhydramine

Hi, SWIM has usually taken 800 mg of diphen, and did not realize until reading this site that it could be so harmful. The problem is that SWIM never gets any crazy hallucinations or talking people or anything like that really. Only twice have SWIM seen first a cat and then SWIMS mother he thought was my mother walking toward me, only to dissepear before getting too close.

Does SWIM just have a natural tolerance to this and cannot get any of the deli rant effects? Thanks for any help.

All SWIM can get is a swirly patterns on everything, little black amoeba type things that float around, and that is about all.

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Old 28-09-2010, 21:21
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

Try taking them on an empty stomach and then eating something small a half hour later like a granola bar or such to speed up your metabolism, SWIM's found this causes the strongest effects.

And it is true, diphenhydramine can be very bad for you, so try to restrict its recreational use to once every few weeks at most to prevent liver and heart damage.

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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

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Only twice have SWIM seen first a cat and then SWIMS mother he thought was my mother walking toward me, only to dissepear before getting too close.
thats pretty much the effect of anticholinergics, a really heavy feeling and things appearing and dissapearing right in front of swiys face, coupled with severe restless leg syndrom.

Swim has done dph about 3 times but doesent do it anymore because he has found much better (not to mention safer) drugs, not to mention its not that much fun.

swim has had some weird hallucinations like a lion statue growling at him, and the grim reaper coming into his room at night, smoking invisible cigarrettes. alot of the time swim can be hallucinating and not even notice it is a hallucination because it looks so real and swiy is delerious.

It helps to turn off the lights, complete darkness allows for some of the strangest hallucinations ever, but it is unpleasent and usually frightening. but if you really like delerients you might find you like datura more (although still dangerous.)

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Old 29-09-2010, 11:10
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

SWIM should note that in order to get the ultimate effects from DPH he should be in a dark environment that will allow him to trip safely and peacefully. (Hide SWIM's pills before he decides to to trip because he could potentially dose up on them while tripping and end up taking more than he should have.) SWIM should also note that DPH has a strong tolerance, if you attempt to take DPH more than once in a week, the second time you likely won't trip due to its extreme tolerance.

And as the person above had said, taking DPH on an empty stomach is likely the best way to ingest it.
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Old 30-09-2010, 17:22
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

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SWIM should note that in order to get the ultimate effects from DPH he should be in a dark environment that will allow him to trip safely and peacefully
excuse me but what part of DPH effect is safe, anticholinergics can cause irreversable psychosis, and the effects of DPH for most people are anything but peacefull. yes a dark environment will significantly amplify the visual aspects of the trip, silence will aslo significantly amplify the auditory hallucinations as well, but as swim said before he finds no part of the DPH experience pleasurable, and it is likely quite dangerous

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Old 30-09-2010, 19:20
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

It's a slippery slope, especially at that dosage, and the trouble is, you don't know you've lost your footing until you hit something on the way down.
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

swim won't say too much since he's still very new at this but if your that tolerant towards it stop
you don't wanna risk the possible liver damage.
and irreversible psychosis?! swim says "what?!" swim asks how possible is it?
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

Thanks for the info SWIYs, SWIM very much appreciates it.

Since this post SWIM had a very scary and disturbing experience. He ingested approx. 1025 mg of DPH, not much more than he had been using previous nights. Earlier in the night him and his parents had gone to see the American with G Clooney at their local theater. From there SWIM came home and talked online...and eventually ingested the DPH. The last thing he remembers was making iced tea in the kitchen...and this had to be around 1 o clock.

The next thing SWIM remembers is he believes being out in the car with his parents ready to go to the movies, though he had to take a shit so went back in and took a shit. When he came back out, SWIMs parents weren't out there, and for some reason he thought they must have left without them, even though our only two vehicles were still in the car, and SWIM was not allowed to use the vehicles. SWIM then thought they must have left and he had to meet them at the theater. SWIM got the keys(he thought) and was outside trying to start the car. He laid on the horn a few times to make sure his parents were not still inside waiting or something. A bit after this SWIMs father comes out of the house in his underwear and undershirt with his hands in the air asking What the fuck is SWIM doing? At first SWIM thought he had taken too long of a shit and we had missed out chance to make it to the movies on time. His father opened the door and asked what SWIM was doing, to which SWIM replied I thought we were going to the movies? His father then said its 3 o FUCKIN clock in the morning what are you doing?

This completely shocked SWIM and he could not believe it. The keys were never out there even though SWIM was quite sure he had started the car in some way, but could, very luckily, not get it going. SWIM's mother apparently had the keys upstairs as she had been hiding them so SWIM wouldn't take the car.

To say the least this situation completely shocked SWIM, slowly his memory came back to him of taking the DPH and making the iced tea and talking online and such, but could not remember anything he did in a span of what must of been at least an hour and a half. SWIM sat outside and smoked about 4 cigarettes in complete dismay and shock over what just happened, with SWIMs father going back to bed probably thinking SWIM was absolutely crazy.

Since then SWIM has not taken any DPH, and probably never will again. If anything this should be used as a warning story for any SWIYs out there thinking of taking DPH and thinking they know their dosages and what effects they will get from them.

Sorry it took so long to get back to this thread, SWIMs internet and phone were shut down by his parents for an incident that happened a day or two after this.

Well, that's SWIMs story, stay smart and don't think you know exactly what might happen.
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Old 05-10-2010, 02:13
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

swim needs to point something out to all the newbies posting reports about getting caught while tripping by there parents. Dont trip around your parents, especially delerients, with drugs such as anticholinergics blackouts are common, swiy may say things that are rediculous making it obvious that swiy is on a drug, by doing this swiy is contributing to the negative stigma of drugs.
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

totally, swiP.
there is such a thing as responsible use of substances, and irrisponsible use. all swimmers have the right to use whatever substance swiy wants(tell em swim said so), as long as its responsible use.
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

SWIM agrees with the above two posters, and was simply sharing SWIM's experience, one from which he has learned a great deal, so others can do the same.
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Sorry it took so long to get back to this thread, SWIMs internet and phone were shut down by his parents for an incident that happened a day or two after this.
what whould this be....

this is just swims opinion but swiy may want to lay low for a while.
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Old 06-10-2010, 18:30
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

Well this incident involved SWIM yelling at his ex's friend, and his parents heard him and proceeded to shut down his phone and internet because they thought he was harassing people, like his ex, which truly he was not doing.
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

ok lol, Just making sure swiy didnt try to take diphenhydramine again.

personally I think swiy should look elsewhere, if swiy wants an over the counter trip my mouse thinks swiy should look at DXM. it is much less toxic than dph and in my mouses opinion, actually euphoric and fun.
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Old 07-10-2010, 19:07
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

SWIM thanks SWIp for the advice, but SWIM is personally taking a break from all drugs except the occasional alcohol because he has learned the hard way that his addictive personality and drugs do not mix well. Cheers and thank you very much for the advice.
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

AFOAF took 800mgs of diphen the other night and absolutely nothing happened. But then again, she weighs 260lbs. Weird, though. You would think SOMETHING would happen.
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

^^ something probably did happen, with diphenhydramine the hallucinations are so realistic one can be trippin balls and not even realize it, the hallucinations usually take the form of people or cigarrettes or other realistic looking objects, it wouldent be suprising if some of the smokes swiy smoked or people swiy talked to where in fact not there,
also is swiy sure it was diphenhydramine, not diphenhydrinate.
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Old 28-11-2010, 22:48
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

Rinny used to abuse this drug daily for almost a year on and off and so far as she can tell she gave herself a touch of drug-induced psychosis.
It has gotten better since stopping the constant abuse.

Maybe 3-4 days ago she decided to use large amounts again for reasons we won't get into.
Bah- trip info- Rinny is now 120 pounds.
She's gained since she doesn't get high so often anymore, but that's another story as well.
ANYHOW,
the second night she decided to take the bottle.
1000mg of diphenhydramine hydrochloride.
She was basically in a world of her own.
Her "spouse" or whatever you kids call them sat beside her on the bed and she thought they were having a conversation.
She heard him.
She would respond, thorough conversations...
He hadn't a clue what she was talking about.

She couldn't read anymore. Text looked like "Chinese" letters to her.

She stayed up all night by herself, walking up and down the stairs because she kept forgetting what she was looking for, would think she found it, and then realize it wasn;t there anymore, over and over.
She saw shadow cats walking around her actual cats.
She would hear someone's voice or thoughts and respond aloud as if she were in conversation- which she was but....

There's more but really nothing "scary" because when she used to abuse the stuff, gradually dosing like this and rarely stopping besides to sleep (which sometimes one can stay awake for days when they abuse this crap) her entire life was a hallucination but it got to the point to where she no longer realized it-ever.

When she was high the other night, sure, she would get lost in it but then other moments recall, it's the drug.

Then there are a lot of spiritual things going on around her as well where it doesn't matter if she's sober or on whatever drug- "things" happen.

So, some things are for sure hallucinations, some things could open one up more to what goes on anyhow but either way, Rinny does not recommend using this drug at high doses, especially repeatedly.
Lower doses can have minor, similar effects that may lead one want to gradually go up and up.
Then there is respiratory issues, serotonin syndrome, etc....

When you're too high to know you're high- it's time to stop.
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Re: Taking 800 mgs of diphen...

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When you're too high to know you're high- it's time to stop.
well said, well said

I would quit swiys dph abuse right now, people dont realize just how harmful trying to trip on diphenhydramine is, this is basically a synthetic version of the tropane alkaloids and everyone knows how harmfull that can be (datura, belladonna, ect.)

Its not even that fun of a trip, but it is alluring, afoaf has done it a few times and even though he absolutly hates the experience he still does it again (albeit rarely and never at exessivly high doses.) personally I dont find it recreational at all, actually tropanes are more recreational imo, but even more dangerous as the dosage is a complete mystery (and still not really all that pleasant.)
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SWIM should note that in order to get the ultimate effects from DPH he should be in a dark environment that will allow him to trip safely and peacefully. (Hide SWIM's pills before he decides to to trip because he could potentially dose up on them while tripping and end up taking more than he should have.) SWIM should also note that DPH has a strong tolerance, if you attempt to take DPH more than once in a week, the second time you likely won't trip due to its extreme tolerance.

And as the person above had said, taking DPH on an empty stomach is likely the best way to ingest it.
the part about hiding the pills is very important. although very experienced user of otc's (diph&dex/dxm) my cat will often be in a situation with diph where they forget how many pills they have taken and under the drug can't for the life of them figure it out. it's like being stuck in a body with no brain and no motor skills- you can't escape it and it doesn't get any better. when you are delirious you cannot tell reality from fantasy- literally. i don't care how many times you've heard it or how many times you've tripped. when you're in the moment of delirium, it's an entirely different ball game and you have to adapt to your surroundings. i don't have experience with 800mg but around the 400mg range it's such a bizarre feeling. i consider it to be stuck in a nightmare- a REAL one. and you can't wake up. it's a fascinating experience imo because when someone is tripping they can't function properly, and they don't have control over it. imagine being paralyzed but awake and aware you were paralyzed. but you keep dosing in and out because you are exhausted and deathly ill so you don't have the strength to stay awake. things happen, like if you were in a hospital out of it and nurses come in to do random tests and stuff- but you're so out of it you don't realize what is going on. but at the same time you're aware you're in this state and can't relax. it's madness. i can't put it more simply, and that's what turns me onto it so much.

qcksilver89 added 3 Minutes and 24 Seconds later...

diph isn't your realm. that's the closest way i can explain it. you are a guest in someone else's house. it's NOT your house, and you do NOT make the rules. so you have to respect it or you will get thrown into a world of hurt quicker than the blink of an eye.

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