Opinions - Happy Caps Range - product comparison / general discussion

[Smarthead]

This is the description from the flyer:


Space-e is one of the most extreme herbal X, with a unique blend of powerful herbal ingredients including Sida Cordifolia. Use Space-e to fuel and intensify your party needs. Feel the tingling sensations throughout your body and catapult yourself into outer space with Space-e. Suggested dose is 1 capsule; contains 4 capsules.


Green-e The slightly lighter version of Space-e. Feel how this blend of natural ingredients can give you such unmatched euphoric feelings and helps you party all night. Suggested dose is 1 capsule; contains 4 capsules.


Myster-e Steer yourself into the unknown by means of this enhanced herbal formula. Myster-e is made of only the most highly valued ingredients, allowing for a high level of synergism. Feel the adrenaline kick into your own journey of thrills and chills. Suggested dose is 1 - 2 capsules; contains 6 capsules.


Pure-e is excellent for those late night parties or as an extra energy booster whenever you need it. You will not be disapointed with this Pure-e energiser. Suggested dose is 1 capsule; contains 7 capsules.


Trip-e The name Trip-e says it all. Let the wave carry you higher and higher. Be at one with the universe. Be in a state of bliss ... try this product and find out why it is called Trip-e. Contains Hawaiian Baby Woodrose and Sida Cordofolia. Suggested dosage is 1 -2 capsules; contains 4 capsules.


Sex-e For centuries people have used various aphrodisiac herbs from around the world to inspire heated passion and enhanced performance. Sex-e lets you enjoy enhanced pleasures, increased stanima, better blood flow and greater fulfillment. Suggested dosage is 1 clear capsule and 1 red capsule; contains 4 capsules.


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[Alfa]

I will check. A friend of mine tried Sex-E. I thought she liked the product.

[smartbee]

Hallo Smarthead,

Zag jou post over HAPPY CAPS, weet jij wat er precies inzit? Maak zelf veel smartshopprodukten in samenwerking met Joe Deleaney (Shulgin medewerker), ben altijd benieuwd.

Smartbee.

Originally Posted by Smarthead

This is the description from the flyer:


Space-e is one of the most extreme herbal X, with a unique blend of powerful herbal ingredients including Sida Cordifolia. Use Space-e to fuel and intensify your party needs. Feel the tingling sensations throughout your body and catapult yourself into outer space with Space-e. Suggested dose is 1 capsule; contains 4 capsules.


Green-e The slightly lighter version of Space-e. Feel how this blend of natural ingredients can give you such unmatched euphoric feelings and helps you party all night. Suggested dose is 1 capsule; contains 4 capsules.


Myster-e Steer yourself into the unknown by means of this enhanced herbal formula. Myster-e is made of only the most highly valued ingredients, allowing for a high level of synergism. Feel the adrenaline kick into your own journey of thrills and chills. Suggested dose is 1 - 2 capsules; contains 6 capsules.


Pure-e is excellent for those late night parties or as an extra energy booster whenever you need it. You will not be disapointed with this Pure-e energiser. Suggested dose is 1 capsule; contains 7 capsules.


Trip-e The name Trip-e says it all. Let the wave carry you higher and higher. Be at one with the universe. Be in a state of bliss ... try this product and find out why it is called Trip-e. Contains Hawaiian Baby Woodrose and Sida Cordofolia. Suggested dosage is 1 -2 capsules; contains 4 capsules.


Sex-e For centuries people have used various aphrodisiac herbs from around the world to inspire heated passion and enhanced performance. Sex-e lets you enjoy enhanced pleasures, increased stanima, better blood flow and greater fulfillment. Suggested dosage is 1 clear capsule and 1 red capsule; contains 4 capsules.


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[Boyv]

I don't know if it's legal in other countries, but at least here in the Netherlands it is.

Happy Caps:



It is supposed to give you a would-be-mdma experience, at least that is what the owner of the smart shop said.

I tried out the blue ones (lounge) by myself and dropped three or four at once because I didn't expect a lot of these things. They are pretty huge to swallow, so it felt like they were still hanging down my throat half an hour later.

I didn't feel anything for about an hour, but then it started to come up, at least that is what I thought. First I felt a bit bad, minor stomach ache, though I don't know if this is because of the capsules. After that I felt nothing, so we decided to go out to a club. In there I suddenly experienced a great but very short rush. It wasn't quite the lounge-effect as expected, but it was nice. Half an hour later I felt really active and was in a pretty good mood. It wasn't really like MDMA, it was too weak for that, but it was nice though. I enjoyed the very short (few seconds) but very powerful rushes the most. It could be a placebo effect, or it could be real... I don't care either way, because I enjoyed myself.

Later on I spoke a friend of mine who had about six or seven capsules, and he told me he had a bigass bad trip. He became scared, didn't know what to do and didn't dare to go home... I guess he had a bit too much.

It was a nice product, though I think it's a bit expensive for what you get. Five capsules cost €XXX in here, and I can get quite some decent real pills for that. After all I had a nice experience, but I don't know if I will do it again.

From what I can tell, the positive and negative aspects:

+ become active
+ good mood
+ nice but short rushes
+ love to talk and to do things
+ no hangover
+ no thirst (saves you big time on beer)

- no thirst (my stomach started to growl and hurt a bit when I even took a minor bit of drink)
- extreme pupil dilation (my pupil was this big that I hardly could see my iris anymore)
- it's a bit expensive for what you get

Anyone who has also tried this one or other variatons? Experiences?

And does someone has tips or suggestions about how to improve the rush?

[Boyv]

Especially the pupil dillation was tremendous. I have seen a lot of people tripping as hard as they could, but there are only few who could match my pupils at that very moment. The first time I looked into the mirror I almost scared myself off. I put it under negative effects, since I didn't really like to see myself like that, and on top of that my friends told me it looked very weird.

A friend had the same after only one capsule. His pupil was dillated like he had snorted a whole gram of amphetamine-sulphate at once.

[IHrtHalucingens]

thats interesting, but im not sure that u should post the price of the product nor refer to the price of MDMA, i dunno if the rules cover the products u can buy in a store but id edit it out if i were u jsut ot be careful!

[Boyv]

Thanks, I didn't knew that it wasn't allowed, it's editted.

Also, I have to add that of all the would-be-mdma-like-smart-shop-products this satisfied me best.

[Nature Boy]

Thanks for the report Boyv. I walked into a brand new smartshop that just opened in my hometown and noticed that they were pedalling these things so I was interested in hearing about their effects. I asked the guy working in the store about the effects but he wasn't very convincing because he said the stuff was "better than MDMA" (which I thought was a little exaggerated) and after asking him about San Pedro, salvia and some of the other legal drugs they were selling, he came across as a bit of a dumbass who didn't have a clue.

I picked up a leaflet in there too about them but it didn't provide much information. It just rambled on about how you can get them in different colours some which are supposed to be "trippy", others "euphoric" and I remember the orange one was hyped up as being "between C & E" which I thought sounded ridiculously optimistic. I really wish I could just find out what's in the damn things. I'd rather take my chances with a dodgy XTC pill that will get me mashed because at least I'll know there's MDMA in it somewhere. These Happy Caps are just too damn mysterious for my liking. Naturally the leaflet has become roach paper at this stage.

[Benga]

swim remembers inquiring about these pills in some smartshop in the netherlands, because swim was mostly interested in "other" legal highs, ie non ephedrine based products (piperazines or methylone...)
after some talking it turned out that the vendor didn't seem very enthusiastic. swim asked him about the type of feedback they got from these and he said none, as they were mostly bought by tourists.
the main active ingredient in these caps is ephedrine, from sida cordifolia, so you shouldn't expect anymore than an ephedrine rush balanced by whatever amino acids and vitamins are blended in there...

[Alfa]

The active ingredients in both happy caps u4e and xe are piperazines.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Alfa

The active ingredients in both happy caps u4e and xe are piperazines.

oh I didn't know about these yet. "Black pepper" indeed in the U4e... When I checked them out it was myster-e and happy-e etc...though this isn't the piperazine forum, do you know about the piperazine dosage in them ? are you sure about xe though ?
trip-e has HBW LSA, which could work if it has been processed the right way.
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[Thirdedge]

Xe and U4E do not contain Piperazines. The manufacturer has confirmed this.

I think they contain genuine Black Pepper extract. The U4e is nice, but gives me a short lasting itchy rash, kinda like a niacin flush. This is a mix between pleasurable and annoying

The Xe is a good stimulant, though anymore than one cap gives me anxiety. I personally prefer the ephedrine ones like Space e, mystery e, green e.

The Loung e is a nice relaxer.

Sex e was mild, but I find most aphrodisiacs to be mild.

The Trip e was my favourite, real nice mild trip, similar to low dose hbwr, but without the nausea.

I am interested to hear if anyone has tried anyother good Amsterdam herbals which are Ephedrine, hbwr, mg, rivea and Yohimbe free?

[dokter_bob]

A while ago on some kind of festival I tried the U4e..
I took 4 capsules on an empty stomach and after a quite short while I got a rough itch over my arms and legs ( i wasn't sure if it where the capsules or the sunscreen, which would be rather strange in the last case)
It didnt last long though ( about 5 min.)
But then....instead of the nice, euphoric feeling I hoped for, I got depressed..
Like really bad...like 'I want to leave this place and hide under a tree kinda depression'
And in fact it lasted till 2 days later!!
So, before i took the capsules I was feeling ''normal'' and after I noticed a real heavy moodswing..

Does anybody recognise a herbal giving the upposite effect?

I mean, I do have good experiences too )

Greetings,
Dokter_bob

[Thirdedge]

I belive the "itcy rash" is a Niacin flush, although there is no mention of B Vitamins on the package(Perhaps its caused by black pepper instead???).
This happened to me, and caused a bit of Paranoia, ie: thinking I was having an allergic reaction untill I saw my friend with the same itchy rash, this turned my paranoia to laughter as his was worse than mine. But this could have possibly caused you to feel depressed.
Most of the ingredients are mood lifters, but you could have reacted badly to something.

[geezaman]

SWIM does not think all types of these Happy caps are meant top be E alternatives, as each type advertizes different effects SWIM tried U4E hoping to experience a sense of euphoria but infact experienced nothing although SWIM did the 4 caps in the pack at once. SWIM also tried loungE these relaxed SWIM nicely and sent him to a relaxed sleep at midnight even though SWIM had been drinking alot of coffee and his usual sleep pattern was to go to sleep at 3am . SWIM was happy with loungE but thought U4E were a waste of time.

[Alfa]

Mister E has been gone for quite a while after ephedra became illegal in Holland. Now a new version has appeared in the smartshops. I also noticed a new happy cap: Groove-E. Does anyone know if they are good?

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Hmm maybe this stuff isn't overrated and over hyped like so many legal highs.Swim would for the most part only be interested in trying one called Smack-e.

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM has tried two capsules of Trip E (of four in the orange pack). She was impressed. Believes they contain HBWR seeds and passion flower. It was like a mild trip, perhaps like two or three HBWR seeds, though she liked how these capsules can be more easily dosed than the latter, as they vary in strength.

[Gonzo_Shaman]

Be careful with the Trip-E, as Passion Flower is a MAOI.

SWIM thinks Happy Caps are a rip-off, some even being dangerous (they once had a product which combined Ephedra with Yohimbe, Yohimbe being an MAOI and Ephedra not mixing well with MAOI's).

The only Happy Caps which are worth the money are the ones that contain Sida Cordifolia.

As for the other ones, it would be more economical to buy a bottle of caffeine-containing capsules from your chemist/grocery/health store/whatever, as these often contain the exact same ingredients (Guarana, B vitamins, Kola Nut, Ginseng, Bioperine, etc).

If you're looking for a "relaxing" type of cap, I'd advise a high dose of Valerian lozenges and a few GABA-capsules, topped off with a big tablet of Vitamin B.

Seriously, a lot of these "herbal XTC" and "herbal downers" are overpriced and hyped crap.

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by Gonzo_Shaman

Be careful with the Trip-E, as Passion Flower is a MAOI.

SWIM thinks Happy Caps are a rip-off, some even being dangerous (they once had a product which combined Ephedra with Yohimbe, Yohimbe being an MAOI and Ephedra not mixing well with MAOI's).

The only Happy Caps which are worth the money are the ones that contain Sida Cordifolia.

As for the other ones, it would be more economical to buy a bottle of caffeine-containing capsules from your chemist/grocery/health store/whatever, as these often contain the exact same ingredients (Guarana, B vitamins, Kola Nut, Ginseng, Bioperine, etc).

If you're looking for a "relaxing" type of cap, I'd advise a high dose of Valerian lozenges and a few GABA-capsules, topped off with a big tablet of Vitamin B.

Seriously, a lot of these "herbal XTC" and "herbal downers" are overpriced and hyped crap.

Swim disagrees, he has had many a good night on the various Happycaps. He has tried mixing up similar ingredients as you suggest and did not reach the same effect.
The Happycaps contain herbal extractions that have targeted specific alkaloids,then blended them with other synergistic substances.
Passion flower et el are not necessarily MAOI,s, it all depends what has been extracted.

[Mint boi]

Swim recently took 3 trip e capsules and had an unenjoyable experiance.

Swim hadn't eaten anything at all that day, he took the first pill at 19:00, with no effect by 20:20 he took another, still nothing by 21:10 so swim took another. (note: swim is clearly a damn impetuous person and should have waited longer before taking the third pill... hindsight is 20/20 and all..)

swim was wrecked so fell asleep at about 22:00. Woke at 23:40 feeling terribley anxious, had deffinately come up and had a million thoughts running through his head at once, stupid things, random minor problems in his life seemed much bigger and more important. It took swim a good half hour to calm himself down, even though the entire time he knew it was just the drug doing it. Basically swim calmed down and started to think more slowly and clearly,swim lay in bed with his mind all over the place trying to fall asleep (in vain) sleep finally came at around 03:30 but was broken and uncomfortable. The whole experiancewas very mentally nausiating for swim. Having said that alot of this was self inflicted, swim should have left the dose at two pills, he should have dosed earlier if he was planning to go to bed earlier ect.

[lsh]

The people who invented those 'fake Es' and the similar pills haven't got a clue what a real E feels like. All they do is make you feel jittery and wired, with all of the good things missing from the 'high'.

A complete waste of money all round.

[geezaman]

Originally Posted by lsh

.... All they do is make you feel jittery and wired, with all of the good things missing from the 'high'.
A complete waste of money all round.

SWIM agrees that the come up on many "herbal Es" including the happy caps he has tried (loung e, and euphori e) is strange and often a little unpleasent, but now SWIM expects it and so its fine.
SWIY says "all the good things are missing from the high",. but what is good, or desired from the experiece is muchly due to individual taste and preference. For example SWIM was aware that many herbal Es kept him awake and active with energy all night... and if dancing like a crazy person in a club (which is how any people enjoy Es) that would have been fine, and SWIM would have been satisfied.
As it is SWIM prefers to usually enjoy the euphoric side of ecstasy and so was dissapointed in them, ( especially euphori e, as it would seem to be the namesake of SWIMs desired effect) BUT could see why they were marketed as herbal Es.... Now SWIM often emails the manufacturer of such things before buying them asking which in their variety of products will provide SWIM with the most... euphoric/energetic/visual etc experience... SWIM has found those he has contacted to be helpfull in suggesting one of their products that will best meet SWIMs personal taste, even once admitting that none of the pills they supplied were particularly "trippy"


Perhaps if SWIish describes the aspects of E they felt the hebal E they tried didnt include, better help/suggestions could be given.
peace
geezaman

[lsh]

Originally Posted by geezaman

SWIM agrees that the come up on many "herbal Es" including the happy caps he has tried (loung e, and euphori e) is strange and often a little unpleasent, but now SWIM expects it and so its fine.
SWIY says "all the good things are missing from the high",. but what is good, or desired from the experiece is muchly due to individual taste and preference. For example SWIM was aware that many herbal Es kept him awake and active with energy all night... and if dancing like a crazy person in a club (which is how any people enjoy Es) that would have been fine, and SWIM would have been satisfied.
As it is SWIM prefers to usually enjoy the euphoric side of ecstasy and so was dissapointed in them, ( especially euphori e, as it would seem to be the namesake of SWIMs desired effect) BUT could see why they were marketed as herbal Es.... Now SWIM often emails the manufacturer of such things before buying them asking which in their variety of products will provide SWIM with the most... euphoric/energetic/visual etc experience... SWIM has found those he has contacted to be helpfull in suggesting one of their products that will best meet SWIMs personal taste, even once admitting that none of the pills they supplied were particularly "trippy"


Perhaps if SWIish describes the aspects of E they felt the hebal E they tried didnt include, better help/suggestions could be given.
peace
geezaman

sorry for not replying sooner.

I've tried all the legal happy-cap highs and that 'natural' stuff either just makes me feel like I've overdosed on something I wouldn't ever overdose on, like coffee or sugar. Or I don't feel anything much at all. I don't feel happy or loved up on them, for example, so they aren't for me personally.

[Mint boi]

happy caps arent really marketed as an e substitute, well not all of them are anyway! but you're right, its blatant false advertising for these people to market their products as legal e